They're using weapon printing as the wedge, but this is really about protecting all manufacturers.
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Even more pointless than DRM on movies.
https://all3dp.com/2/how-to-build-a-3d-printer-from-a-kit-or-from-scratch/

Don't worry. It won't be long before possession of an unregistered 3D printer becomes a crime, too.
I thought this bill did that, but it looks like they crossed out the consumer circumvention clauses anyway.
That seems like a nightmare to set up.
Feels like people casually mocking car registration by pointing to the Hot Rod from Home Improvement.
I mean, sure. It can be done. But I failed to install a water cooling kit in my computer after a very long and harrowing weekend. I'm not fucking with this.
It more like mocking car registration because every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day, the city already has several thousand car factories that don't require registration, there's no mechanism to enforce registration, and the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars. The motivation for requiring registration is also to stop people from driving full speed into fast food restaurants is custom built murder buggys. Yeah, you don't want people to do that but it's not like it really happens all that often.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch. It's basically screwing parts together and plugging colored wires into matching slots.
every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day
How many cars does the city demand be produced each day? Cause my own city of Houston sees over 380k new cars sold annually.
the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
there’s no mechanism to enforce registration
Until you get pulled over
the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars
A plastic car that can go maybe a few hundred miles before falling apart if it's made perfectly.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch
You can build cars from a kit, too. But I'm not going to do that when I can buy a used Corolla or KIA for couch cushion money and drive it into the ground over the next fifteen years.
I'm not sure honestly sure what your point is, because you went a bit too far with the analogy.
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
This was about regulating 3d printers, not guns. A diy printer, a new drm printer and an old not-drm printer produce the same quality output.
A diy 3d printer is just as durable as a purchased one.
If your goal is to have an unregistered car, or in this case a drm free printer, the law seems silly when you can get one for cheaper than the "proper" one and have it out together in an afternoon if you have highschool level mechanical aptitude.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is
3D printers produce plastic crap.
Okay? What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
Is your point that it's okay to put unenforceable, easily bypassed restrictions on stuff if you think they're bad?
What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
You can get around the DRM mandate with a bicycle. That doesn't mean you've solved the underlying problem
Did you forget we were talking about 3d printers?
You compared the people making fun of the drm mandate to people making fun of car registration because you can build a kit car, implying that building a 3d printer was a nearly insurmountable hurdle.
Being able to trivially bypass the drm is exactly why it's laughable.
Cars, bikes, or your dislike have nothing to do with the DRM mandate being toothless and stupid.
You'd think with a title that says "California just passed a law", that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Edit: The bill was passed in the Assembly back in May. This is a nearly 3 month old article.
How would this even be enforced?
Like, it seems like it would be a trivial process to just install a firmware package without the blocks.
It's probably just an extra charge they can throw at you if your house ever gets searched. Fuck hobby enthusiasts I guess
From Lewis Rossmans bit on this from this morning, an internet connection and third party AI scanning tools.
So its a whole bucket of "fuck that noise".
It can't. They want to destroy 3D printers and Free Software in general entirely.
it's enforced by stopping most people from trying to get into making 3d printer software. Imagine if california made browser drm required: no more open source browsers
Imagine if california made browser drm required: no more open source browsers
Why would that be the case? If I'm a programmer in New York, or Germany, why do I care if my open-source browser meets California's requirements? If there's any chance of litigation, can't you just slap "not for use in California" on it and call it a day?
Do you think California is the first and last place this will happen?
Say the entire country of America bans 3d printers without DRM, why would a German 3D printing enthusiast stop developing their firmware?
Note that I'm not saying these bans aren't bad. They certainly can and will cause harm to the community as a whole. But I don't see the argument of, "if it gets banned in x place, it goes away forever, for everyone". There are thousands of projects that are already illegal and exist without issue online. Piracy is illegal but still easily doable, it's already illegal in several states to 3D print certain gun parts but people still create the files and print them out.
If that hobbyist is okay with it not being hosted on github or any other american infrastructure sure. And they have to hope EU laws dont follow suit. When GDPR passed, California adopted similar legislation. Why cant it happen in the reverse exactly? Its not like the EU wants 3d printed guns around. How will they be increasing gdp spend on defense if they allow their citizens to arm themselves cheaply and outside the authority of the state?
The EU already has considered laws banning gun stls. Why won't it require drm again?
I’d love to know how they expect printer manufacturers to do this, given all they do is read gcode. Do the legislation makers even know what a slicer is?
I went to a CA committee hearing (and I got to meet Louis Rossmann in the process) and I guarantee you the people supporting this bill and the committee voting on it generally have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
Serious question: why do they feel like they are qualified to make decisions on it then? Like if I was in that position, I would defer to an expert committee or professional association.
What happens is they do defer to the expert. The expert is a plant by which ever lobbiest chose to sponsor the bill. I'm had correspondences with my government about fields I am intimately familiar with and their arguments about technical feasibility were given to them by their Big4 "expert". The problem is I know the field well enough to understand their expert is simply giving the opinion they were paid to give and the technical feasibility of the proposals take a back seat to the political desire of the people pushing the proposal.
Someone's "lobbying" them to make this decision.
Of course they know what a slicer is. Most of these people existed long before pre-cut loaves were sold at the stores.
If it ever take forms, it will be absolutely unenforceable with how many devices currently operates. Aside from a ban on open hardware (good luck with that), nothing will happen.
Unfortunately, being technically impossible to enforce is of little consequence. It just becomes a convenient law to pull out if they want to hammer you down and you happen to have a 3D printer that don't have this built-in.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
They've just admitted that it won't work. It will rely on a bank of banned designs which means anyone can just modify them until the algorithm doesn't recognize it as such while still being functional or simply make their own designs. Whoever finds a way to evade those restrictions will pass on the word.
Sucks that this will act as a push to lock down 3D printer firmware for everyone else though. Mass enshitification inbound. The only hope I see is that 3D printer manufacturers will simply get out of California as a result instead because the expense of developing such an algorithm and the risk of fines if it is not performing well enough are too great to be worth it.
Any such algorithm would be patched out of a jailbroken version of the firmware in minutes. 3D printers are already running on FOSS, so this is worse than useless. Anyone who wants to print a working gun will be able to do so trivially.
3D printers are already running on FOSS
That's what the bill is designed to stop.
Good luck with that... 3D printers are not complicated and you could build one yourself if you wanted to.
I can't wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogshit US decisions.
This what happens when a state is controlled by idiots. I wish we had opposition party that were not a bunch of boot licking freaks.
Has a 3d printed gun been used in a crime? Ever?
Ask Luigi Mangione
Did Luigi Mangione do anything wrong?
News to me.
Not all illegal activities are morally wrong.
Very good point. Planting evidence of a crime is itself a crime. /joke
No because it isn't possible to make a working gun with a 3D printer
However it is possible to make a gun with a few supplies from a hardware store
Very few. The ATF's definition of "ghost gun" also includes ordinary firearms that have had the serial number filed off (which is a crime to do). The vast majority of crimes committed with "ghost guns" are committed with those; ordinary guns with the serial numbers scratched off
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So they except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they're just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples, and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
They just want to destroy open source firmware. They hate freedom from corporate control, not guns.
In the same way you can buy all the stuff to make a bomb without ending up on a list, but if you do it the stupid way you're going to get the SWAT team at your door.
The 3d printer firmware is bullshit outright IMO, but this seems like the most sober-minded attempt. NY's law on the other hand is a fat lol
Anyone who was a serious threat is by definition not going to do it the stupid way anybody who gets swatted is an idiot and probably wasn't a threat to begin with, except to themselves.
It's already illegal to shoot people so why is it more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun?
I agree, yet people get caught. This makes simply authorizes that, which I'm not inherently against. All I'm saying is, of all the things in the world, this isn't the absolute worst thing that could happen and at least it isn't (currently) being used by that state as a pretext for even more surveillance.
It isn't more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun; if anything it's less illegal because you don't need to lie on a form about your status to obtain a gun.
I think your arguing with what you think I'm saying instead if what I actually said. I believe we're in agreement with different nuanced takes that affect that agreement. I agree this is dumb and a bad precedent that will likely be ineffective (just like virtually all other punitive preventative measures). I still think it could be worse.
TL; DR: this law to me feels more along the lines of "let's stop giving away guns at candy shops" than "let's completely fix everything all at once" It's sober minded and an attempt at appeasing their constituency. I disagree with it, but it could be worse and probably won't hurt.
Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
Are we even fucking free any more?
Just configured my router to block my new printer. Looking up how to set up Linux to block my slicer. Fuck this sucks.
California needs to start pushing laws to shut down hardware stores, department stores, shopping malls, and office supply stores since you can buy things in those places to also create makeshift weapons.
I have a mini mill in my garage. I makeb ghost firearms as a hobby.
I have a bit of experience with a mill, but even if I *didn't * these are not hard skills to learn yourself. A couple hundred bucks for a mini mill on marketplace and a few hunted bucks for a blank and some tooling and anybody could be making ghost guns in their living room.
I had never heard of mini CNC mills.
Now I want one.
Isn't California the state where you need to be 18 just to by spray paint?
I think we are already headed in that direction

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