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[–] 110 points 2 months ago (9 children)

If someone said "do you want to interview my agents first", I think the interview would be over. Well maybe the first time I'd be tempted to see if I could tokenmaxx someone else's agent. After that it would be too much work for the enjiyment. Maybe I should automate that workflow.... Oh no they got me!

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  • [–] 84 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    "Your agents!?! You mean the proprietary models you did not develop, own, or control, and just pay a foreign SaaS company to utilize, built by people much smarter than you, using software coded by people much more competent than you, and can be replaced or removed at any time? Why do I need you again?"

    "I like money. Me want money. Give money now. Ooga booga"

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The caricature you sketch definitely does exist

    But so does the IT hobbyist using an open source model with local hardware and customised training.

    Of course i just realise that person wouldn’t call it an agent, they wouldn’t tell you to interview the agent and probably wisely frame it as:

    “I develop my own tools and automation systems to free up time and resources for more important projects” at most refer to “machine learning” and absolute avoid using the term “ai”.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    If you're smart, you'd use your personal computer running a local AI model. It's your expertise that made working prompts because AI on its own is trash. So when you leave, your knowledge goes with you.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah but you're forgetting one thing that years in IT have taught me. Most people aren't smart. Most people are dumber than shit, are barely literate, and refuse to learn. They only know "I press this specific button located at this one place for things to happen". If the button is changed in any way such as a slightly different color or moved by an inch, they are completely lost and helpless

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Most people are dumber than shit, are barely literate, and refuse to learn

    I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Thank you. I feel slightly more normal today.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    Even though programming and IT is a great hobby of mine, I ultimately decided not to pursue it on a university level as I didn't want to potentially turn my hobby into something I despise. I've been regretting this decision a lot throughout my life, but as AI becomes more and more incorporated into the work life of a programmer, I'm starting to feel relief. I would not want to work in that field today.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Programmer here: i actively despise where this field is heading and where it is at right now

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    i’m studying software engineering rn and honestly i’m not sure i even want to finish my bachelor’s degree. finding an internship (required for the degree) is almost impossible now and even if i do manage to get a job, do i want to spend the rest of my life prompting claude? fuck no!

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago

    I was considering it like 10 years ago when you couldn't go anywhere on the internet without someone telling you "Programmers make a bajillion dollars pr day, even the bad ones! You should become a programmer!!!", but I figured it was just companies wanting more applicants to force down the pay.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    As someone who made the opposite decision, I get it. And you're not wrong. I still love what I do when it's just me and some trusted colleagues, but I've had to watch people I trusted deeply in this field fall into just the worst AI holes. Thankfully AI is bad enough that, idk how to put it. I've developed an understanding with management and clients that I might not have an email out saying my project is done as fast as the people that do use AI, but my project will actually be done faster. If a solution takes me 2 months to finish, it'll take a week in testing before hitting production. I've seen people declare a solution made in weeks only to spend actual months in testing, having to fix bug after bug. And they're not even the worst offenders. I know people that will deadass say "looks good enough" and have broken test servers with just actual garbage.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Laaaaame

    First off, they're not his agents unless he's got his own LLM running on his own server; and you can't just show up at a new job with a server all like, yeah, plug this into your network and grant me permissions, it'll be fine.

    Secondly, you can automate workflows without LLMs. Crontab, for instance. Trillions of people have been automating workflows for tens of thousands of years. Agentic automation is more expensive and less reliable than cron.

    If someone is showing up at my office and telling me they're going to use Claude to rename a .PDF I'm going to laugh and then ask them to leave.

    You want the future? Don't be the guy selling shovels during a gold rush. Be the shovel-maker, and then hoard your shovels to inflate demand. Fill your house with shovels. Use shovels instead of plates and cutlery and clothing. Make sure everyone knows that you're The Shovel King (or Queen) and don't tell anyone you're unemployed, no matter how many job interviews you fuck up by talking about shovels.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Calm down DeBeers

    Seriously though, I don't touch llms and just hoard a folder full of various bat and ps files for different things I've needed to do repeatedly. And a few txt files of snippets and one liners for less routine items.

    I do user facing support more than server wrangling. It works better for my workflow since I don't know what machine I'll be on any given minute

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    An average 22 year old does not have the experience to automate 10 workflows, let alone 100. They also don't know all the gotchas. This is dumb advice.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Also "automating a workflow" IMO shouldn't involve having an agent at the end. If tokens and cloud models with selling a dollar for a quarter pricing levels are required for your automated workflow to work, you've set up a ticking time bomb.

    Use this subsidized garage to churn out regular automation that you can maintain after the merry go round inevitably stops. I was told as much by Microsoft AI specialists themselves. Do not toss out working ci/cd processes in favor of putting a chatbot in the middle, because who knows if you'll still be able to run that chatbot in a couple of years.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago
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    Translation: "I have no real understanding of anything beyond feeding it into ChatGPT. Please pay me millions of dollars to be a net loss to your organization."

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Aww, poor little guy can’t automate things without agents.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Right? Automation is a fantastic skillset, and when a tool breaks? It takes me a fraction of the time to troubleshoot one I wrote myself than it would some vibe coded bullshit.

    And the next tool I write comes out faster and accounts for the edge cases that broke the last one as I understand the system I'm interfacing with better.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    “What’s that boss man? You need me to fill out a google sheet twice a day with data from our support ticketing system? No problem!”

    Boss man, two weeks after I wrote a script and added it to cron: “Wow, you’re really dependable!”

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    These fucking morons have convinced themselves that their glorious chat bots are actually able to replace actual work.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    They can replace some work, especially debugging. There are a bunch of bug fixes I wouldn't have made because debugging them was too inane for too little reward. But Claude has no problem writing 14 throw-away scripts to try and reproduce the issue until it succeeds.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Honestly, this. This is exactly the usecase that I've found it best for Claude. That and automating a test that I would otherwise have done manually.

    The niche I work in (FPGA engineering), the builds take a relatively long time (right now, at my current company my builds are generally 30-60m. Other places I've had 6+ hour builds...). A few weeks ago I was testing a corner case I found and was doing it manually, which was tedious. While building a new image that should fix it, I told Claude what I wanted to test and the clanker spit out a script that would have taken me longer to build than the FPGA image would have taken to finish. This way, I also have a somewhat decent (definitely not perfect) script that can take care of testing that corner case pretty well automatically.

    That kind of thing is probably the best use case I've found for clankers like that.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago
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    Those agents aren't yours in multiple ways. That's not how things work.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    Every day I am radicalized a little bit more

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  • Even if the LLM worked flawlessly, you're just proving your lack of purpose to the company which means they'll fire you. What do these people even think?!

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, what the fuck am I automating in my daily life that would be beneficial for a new position I’m walking in to?

    Also, automation and AI are not exclusive to each other. I have tons of automations at home and my house is set up with a bunch of virtual assistant commands and lights, Air conditioning and some other things have an automated schedule. None of this was done with AI.

    I work as a lead software engineer a at a large e-commerce and manufacturing company. I guess I could train an agentic ai to automate some of my workflows, but at the reduced cost of ownership of problems and intricate knowledge of how to fix issues as they arrive. LLMs love to inject mock data that “looks” right, but in practice this doesn’t mix well with programming.

    LLM are self poisoning prediction machine, and as far as I’ve been able to test can’t even handle multi-level react apps that are intertwined with 3rd party applications. Basically making it useless with any software that has multiple integrations.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    Is that khan from khan academy;

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I would actually punch this person

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If you're automating workflows, you don't get to take your current employers code with you when you leave.
    Are you supposed to just be writing random automations for things that might exist somewhere? Why would anyone think that's impressive?

    Either you're showing me something useless you did for no reason, or you're asking if I want to see some stolen IP. Neither of these is giving me a particularly good impression.

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    As others have listed, can't really share this as the company owns all the work. Even then, not every company is the same. There's a lot of stupid shit I could automate in my current position that would be useless at every other company--the processes (and reasons behind them) are completely different.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm glad I had only spent a few grand on IT certs before the whole industry went tits up. Looking forward to a post internet world with all my hoarded data.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Agents for what? Liking the best memes on Reddit? Discovery for user and business needs is so fucked.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Why would they hire you if you're not doing anything.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Ah yes, automation, the field that is well known for systemizing processes into chains of predictable machine I/O — the perfect place to inject the mercurial hallucination service I rent.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    "Sorry, the job description said we were looking for a software developer, not a bot wrangler. There must have been some kind of miscommunication. Best of luck out there!"

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Sounds like a way to get hired, implement all your automations, then you'll get fired.

    The better move would be to package your automations, and then sell the package to corporations, including up charges for implementation, testing, and customization.

    That's how you go from being a worker wage slave, to being independently wealthy.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I work in cinema content

    Try that shit with studio IP. I fucking dare you

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    So I work for a state government and I can code a wee little bit. I found some ways to automate a good chunk of my work with app scripts. Full disclosure, I review them but I couldn't do it without Gemini. 😅 (That being said I would never trust an agent as an automation for anything)

    I made the mistake of telling a coworker or two about the first automation I did. One of them told the boss thinking I'd get kudos.😔 I did and more work.

    Haven't shared any of the automations since. I also built all the ones since to slowly work over the work day so it looks like I'm doing them manually in real time. I also automated all of the data imports using my work email so if I get fired. My account is terminated too and they will all stop functioning.

    I gotta say it's actually made my work day much lighter. Hopefully it won't catch up with me negatively

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    This is Sal Khan from the Khan Academy. No matter one's stance on AI, Sal's perspective is worth listening to.

    Source: Khan Academy CEO: The Real AI Opportunity Is in Boring Industries.

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