Since 2020. Covid broke a lot of brains. Once people started driving again, it’s like they forgot (or rejected) all the rules. Bad behavior that I rarely saw, like blatantly running red lights, aggressive driving, using turning lanes as passing lanes (even through intersections) went from rare to daily.
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The same thing happened after 9/11 and lasted for months. People were stressed, upset and angry and it really showed up in their driving.
We now have the Republicans and their malignant narcissist glorious leader actively destroying this country. Medical costs, housing and grocery prices (among other things) are completely out of control and keep getting worse and Trump claims affordability is a "hoax" while adding more tariffs. Nearly eradicated diseases are surging again and children are dying. Our food has become unsafe to eat. We're in a war that was completely unnecessary and the dotard in chief is shitting his pants and pretending he's a tough guy while crawling into food carts to hide. Nero isn't just fiddling while Rome burns, he and his ilk are smearing shit on the walls and actually lighting more fires.
People are naturally stressed, upset and angry, and it's again showing up in our driving.
What makes this worse is they actually don't have the humanity to care because to them you're just "poor people".
Hell yes, since the pandemic, it has been nuts. Especially how they behave in parking lots.
I have noticed an uptick in the behavior that when you are backing out of a spot, people are more likely to speed up to get by you than stop and wait. When I can't see what traffic is coming, I back up slowly until I can see. Recently, I had one guy honk to let me know he was going to speed past. Thanks, I guess?
It's difficult to discern if it's statistically significant. Perhaps these are people who always back into their parking spaces due to automated parking on more vehicles. Maybe they have lost their empathy for people who back out of spaces. Meanwhile, I have to guess what they are doing and then wait for them when they suddenly stop and back up towards me to get into a spot they had driven past.
Unless its a pull through spot, this is why you always back into parking spots. Its been this way for much longer than the time frame OP is talking about. Parking lot driving has always been a Mad Max experience
The city I live in had 15 pedestrian deaths from cars as their previous record, this year we are up to 40.
Cars are rapidly increasing in size and weight, decreasing their visibility, and people wont get off their phones. I do also partially believe that covid hit cognitive function and that tough times are making people antsy and angry too.
Not really. It sure can feel like it when you run into one, but people have been shit at everything since forever.
I actively enjoy being a polite and considerate driver.
If you’re not in a 2024+ Tesla there’s every chance I’ll let you out, buddy. I use my turn signals every damned time. On country roads I leave a big gap between me and the vehicle in front in case someone wants to overtake and needs to pull in. I move to the side of the lane when motorbikes are coming up from behind me and make sure to leave space for them to pull in too. I let trucks out if one’s trying to overtake another. If someone’s tailgating me, I pull over and let them past, imagining they’re a bomb disposal tech heading to a school for blind orphans to save those poor kids. “God speed, you crazy bomb whisperer!”
Life is good.
It was way worse before phones were outlawed while driving. Now, people are back on their phones while it’s illegal. It’s a legitimate issue, and a hard one to solve.
People are braking like 30% later because of distractions inside of cars. More recent automobiles can tolerate braking so suddenly, but older ones cannot. Phones, funny enough, have gentrified the roads via producing unsafe drivers
And if they’re not on their phones they’re tapping on the giant iPad on the dashboard to change the HVAC settings.
People on their phones at red lights is insane. And then they have the absolute fucking nuts to look at you in the mirror when you beep at them for almost missing the entire turn arrow, like you're the moron. Blows my nuts off. I gotta get out of the city, man.
I'm at a point where i'm glad they use the phone on a red light.
In France, during the past 10 years, yes. Most people around don't stop at stop signs anymore. They don't even pretend to slow down. It's like driving schools have stopped teaching the basics to young drivers (who are now 30/40 and still drive like morons).
If you're a shitty driver (BMW or VW), come to France! There are no cops on the road except once a year around Christmas to pretend they still exist.
I think the older we get, and the more we know how things "are supposed to go" we notice more when things don't go that way. I usually try to chalk it up to people that are inexperienced, elderly or not local. But there will always be people that are dicks because they can
People ALWAYS say that drivers have gotten worse since [date] or that [my-local-area] drivers are the worst. I remember people saying this 30 years ago.
I am aware that pedestrian deaths are up in the US, which can be attributed to phones and vehicles increasing in mass. Other than that, let's see the data.
"The younger generation these days has lost their respect for elders, has become too reliant on technology, would rather be entertained than educated, and represents a decline in humanity"
- everyone misattributing and misquoting Socrates for a couple thousand years
It seems so, but I don't have any data to back this up so it's yet another anecdote. Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time on a motorcycle, though, I feel that I probably have a keener eyeball out for this sort of thing than most.
People kind of went insane during the COVID lockdowns and as far as I can tell remained at that approximate level of insanity in the years afterwards, whereas the number of vehicles on the road returned right back to its original level.
There are a lot of distracted drivers who think as long as they match the speed of the car in the lane next to them, no one will know they are doing something on their phone. Meanwhile, the whole road is blocked by people doing 10 miles under the limit because they're relying on each other to pay attention.
The number of people who will sit until honked at when the light turns green also seems higher. Motherfucker, if you're first in line you have an obligation to watch the signal!
Had a few people scream at me when I am cycling to work on the few sections I have to use roads with cars on.
Recent one I was cycling along and someone pulls out into my lane and expected me to move over for them. Nah, you fucking wait, this is my lane not yours. I can stand in the road with you shouting for a lot longer than it takes for you to reverse back to where you should be waiting.
nah it's fucked now. and as a result, I'm more aggressive as well
had a guy last night with LED bulbs in halogen housings pull up across the red light. put my highbeams on because I couldn't fucking see. he turned his LED highbeams on. when the light turned green, they swerved towards me.
funny thing is, that's similar to what I do when I'm being blinded - I drift towards the center of the road so I don't go into the ditch. but this guy thought I instigated the situation when I was just responding to him instigating the situation.
nobody won. we're both pissed off. it's stupid. but fuck the assholes, nothing will change unless there are consequences. so I'm gonna try to make consequences for them. and that means I appear as just one more asshole on the road to others.
another peeve of mine is driver aids. it's made people so goddamn bad in parking lots. I don't give a fuck that your backup alarm wasn't going, I'M WALKING HERE, and "I didn't see you" isn't a fucking excuse or apology for you being a dangerous shit driver. fuck you.
Yep. Coinciding directly with the proliferation of massive trucks with 10 seats and 600 horsepower engines and a bed too small for a TV to fit in.
I wish I lived in a first world country who could provide reasonable public transportation so I didn't have to deal with driving for EVERYTHING in my life.
Reading over the responses from people here, I'm realizing that Philly drivers really are as bad as I believe they are.
Most of the responses here describe what I've been seeing in Philly for decades. Running red lights, blowing through stop signs, turning right on red from the left-turn-only lane. I refer to that as the "Philly Right Turn". There's also a "Philly Left Turn" (AKA, turning left on red from the right-turn-only lane) which is slightly more advanced because it involves crossing at least one additional lane of moving traffic.
I had a guy hit me because he went straight in the right-turn-only lane and the road had a dog-leg at the intersection because of construction. He said it was my fault because "everyone does it". His insurance didn't agree with his argument, and I got my deductible paid (thanks, dashcam).
When I was in college 30 years ago, I used to joke that Philly drivers should have their horns linked to their brakes so that when they leaned on their horn to warn other drivers that they were going to run the red light, the car would automatically brake instead. That wouldn't work since then because people stopped bothering with the warning honk.
The things I've seen change more recently is what I mentioned in my other comment: driving on the wrong side of the road and driving while staring at their phone.
No, not personally. Have you considered other factors such as a change in local population (increased traffic), new local stressors (stressed people drive aggressively), has your driving perspective changed (higher driving standards as you get older or have kids)? I'm willing to accept my local area may be an outlier too.
Might be a couple of reasons. Corvid, economic downturn, political turmoil. People are just more stressed - and rightfully so, as the world is a clown show, currently.
Last year things really escalated here. Between the never ending and always expanding construction, price rises and whatnot, everyone is pissed off all the time.
I’ve seen endless people not using their blinkers, and I’ve seen people diving over two, three, four lanes of freeway to make their exit, I’ve seen people changing lanes in the goddamn well-marked no lane change tunnel, speeders and super slow drivers alike,
and I think it would prolly be for the best if the standards to get a license were much, much higher.
The thing that is pissing me off recently is that when people stop at a light with wayy too much room in between their car and the one in front of them. I think it is a byproduct of many drivers not being able to visualize how large their car is Like seriously, most people leave enough room to fit an extra car or two at the stopped light. Imo it contributes heavily to how many cars can actually pass at a green light, and it makes traffic so much worse.
Counterpoint:
The last time I was rear-ended, I was in stop-and-go traffic going uphill. Every time I moved a few feet and stopped, the car behind me would pull right up to within a few inches of my bumper. It was driving me crazy.
Sure enough, the person behind him hit him, then he hit me.
The rule from the book when I was teaching my kids to drive was: You're supposed to stop when you can still see the where the rear wheels of the car in front of you touch the street. If your good obstructs the view, you're too close. If you can see street between your car and their tires, you're too far.
Few inches is certainly too close-- I am not saying to go until you can see the white of the driver's eyes in the rear view mirror, but a whole two car lengths is too much at a stop light
Granted, if you are stopping following the rules of the book and you are in a car with one of those absurdly high hoods (to the point where almost a dozen children can sit in front of your car and you can't see them), then it is still a huge distance.
I don't trust the ass hole behind me to use there breaks and I'm liable if you push me into them.
I've noticed an uptick in people that drive with their high beams on over the last 5+ years
Both of my cars turn on high beams automatically on dark roads when they can't see other vehicles
The not as good at it as me though, the cars don't see the headlights of an oncoming car illuminating the side of the road, they need to see the headlight directly
Likely just the increasing brightness of the bulbs. Lots of times I will assume someone has high beams on only to see them flick even brighter once I go past them.
I've thought about that, but it's not too hard to tell when the light cluster has both on at the same time (not the fog lights)

I've seen dozens of different light cluster designs, I don't think you can visually tell unless you're familiar with the car in question and they haven't gotten aftermarket lights.
Generally they're all within the main light cluster. Fog lights are towards the bottom. It's much more apparent on older cars than newer ones I will admit.
The high beams are also closer to the center on basically all extant cars. Some older models have dual filament single sockets but these seem to be steadily going away, with the notable exception of Jeep Wranglers.
Not really. The roads here have always been filled with jackasses that should never have been given liscenses. Ironic for a city that is pretty much iconic to car heads (American Graffiti was filmed here); full of dipshits that can't fucking drive.
It's going to vary a lot by location, I'm not sure there is even a consistent worldwide tendency for vehicular aggressiveness. I haven't noticed one myself in Marseille or Mayotte over the 16 years I've been driving
Yeah people seem more self centered now. They always have to go first even when pedestrians have the right of way. At least that's what I've seen.
Yes, and the trend feels like it’s correlated with the number of Teslas around here.
Yep. And it gets worse every year.
I avoid major areas every chance I get.
Too many people with the me me me, and whatever aditude on the road.
Drivers were definitely more aggressive and dangerous 20 years ago than now where I live
Yes. Jackass drivers run through crosswalks and stop signs, then have the guts to yell at pedestrians. Cars act like they own the road. Bicycles are very common in my neighborhood, and yet drivers act like they shouldn't share the road with them too. (SoCal)
Not really. But the amount of asshole on e-scooters has gone through the roof!
Yesterday I witnessed nearly the perfect convergence, which was a guy on an electric kick scooter trying to split through lanes to run a red light and very nearly getting run over by a woman in an Altima (of course it was an Altima) diving all the way across three lanes from the far left to attempt to make an illegal right turn on red.
They came within inches of hitting each other. Ultimately it was the scooter dude who dodged.
Yes, because police stopped working after Antifa demonstrations in 2020.
Either way they get paid.
yes but I would say more than the last few. It just another thing that makes the teens of this millenium noticibly worse than previous.
Actually no, just...more people on the road. Rush hour is rush most-of-the-day now, compound that by it's impossible to grocery shop at 2AM now.
I’ve noticed over the many years I’ve been driving (1) it depends on coincidence (sometimes there are suddenly ten jerks in a month instead of the average of two -plain statistics) 2) it depends on me (if I drive defensive, it seems every one does so too).
Yes, over the last few years. I haven't seen it get noticeably worse recently, but things like blowing through red lights and turning whenever you like are happening all the time.
A recent trends I've noticed is tons of people driving with one hand and holding their phone up with the other, looking at it.
And also people going very slow, like 25MPH in a 55MPH zone.
Maybe a little more irrational and chaotic, haven't noticed much change in aggression or rudeness. Just more impulsive decisions, like switching lanes at the last moment. Just today I witnessed a near collision between three cars who were all abrubtly switching lanes simultaneously almost into each other.
Traffic fatalities in the U.S. have been pegged at 40,000 per year for decades, in spite of the number of drivers going up every year. So, by that broad statistic, things have been improving.
More people, the stagnant stat looks good. Safer cars, the stagnant stat looks bad. Collisions that have nearly always been non-fatal, the stagnant stat is irrelevant. It'd take actual numbers on the two uncertainties to really know how to feel about the steadiness of raw fatalities
question, is the 40k deaths related to the square meter of road availability? if we increased the amount of roads drastically wouldn't that increase fatalities?
when an accident happens, traffic slows and most drivers become more aware of their surroundings. this can lead to other minor fender benders that don't lead to fatalities and so aren't tracked within the 40k.
tldr: are the 40k fatalities dependent on the square meter of open road in-which to have a fatal accident?
I have and wow is it bad. I see people blatantly run reds, including changing into the oncoming lane or the shoulder to pass people stopped at them every day I drive. Same with stop signs and even sometimes in school zones.
I know people have issues with self driving cars, but I’d rather the streets be full of Waymo’s than human drivers at this point. (Yes, I’d really prefer public transit and bikes, but that’s another matter)
Nah, I'd rather the maniac attempting to kill me from the car next to me to also be in that car. Ya know, mutual assured destruction. With Waymos, the maniac is sitting behind a computer somewhere else. Which I'm very much not down for
Er, do you think that Waymos are just remote controlled cars?
It's not a matter of think. Waymo themselves admitted that whenever one of their cars gets into a pickle that it can't figure out, which is more often than most people would probably feel comfortable with, control is handed over to remote operators who are apparently located in the Philippines.
Waymo claim that their remote operators are not actually operating the vehicle per se, no sir, but instead are offering it "guidance" on what to do. If you believe that's actually the case I have a bridge to sell you. I imagine this is rather to avoid the obvious legal question in that how in the hell is somebody located in the Philippines who has a zero percent chance of holding a valid US driver's license allowed to steer a car that's here?
I have no more insight into how Waymo manages these overrides than anyone else, but I don't find it unbelievable that a remote operator with access to an interface to the autopilot and an ability to see the data it is presented with could direct it to ignore an incorrectly identified obstacle and continue.
It seems to me that it would be a hell of a lot safer and easier to correct the mistaken decision of the autopilot and let it continue than to rely on a connection from halfway around the world for real time vehicle control.
However, like I said, I have no insight into how it works.
Covid. Since then a loooot of stuff shifted. The time being isolated did not do well on some people.
People are more aggressive since then. Also that a Lot of bad stuff happens to everyone.. with Not recognizing where it comes from.
Yeah. World divided is easier to rule

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