Reminds me of one of the worst academic papers I've ever seen https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14616742.2015.1075317
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lol holy fuck I hope no one takes this seriously, because Vietnam was fucking hell for the soldiers. No one thought it was awesome except some conservative Nixon supporting fucks who didn't care because they didn't have their 16 year old get drafted.
I hope no one takes this seriously
Neither do I, that's why I posted it here
i think it's worth pointing out that, as nasty as war was for the poor downtrodden US military, it was nightmarish for the vietnamese
I do think its funny that people think the drone war future is one in which humans aren't getting killed instead of where where humans can't even fight back.
Go watch ANY footage of the war in Ukraine and think about swarms of those drones working their way down your street, because that is what it looks like.
Soldiers are not getting killed. Innocent people don't count.
who? everyone that joins Russias army to be cannon fodder does it willingly, there isn't a draft (as of yet anyways)
there's ~30,000 Russian losses per month
In the future. The soldiers will be safely far away from the front lines. Ordinary people won't be.
Drones cannot occupy a city. Drones cannot hold land. Even in the grim darkness of the 21st century, a drone is far more susceptible to outside factors eliminating its fighting capability than a human soldier standing in the same spot. At the end of the day, yes, a bulk of the fighting will be done by remote, but you'll still need meatbags with guns to actually advance and take areas. There's really no way to get around that unless we somehow develop autonomous robots that are able to make smart choices and strategize on the ground without human oversight, and I simply don't see us managing any serious level of "AGI" from the current idea of machine learning, at all.
what can a human do to hold land that highly armed autonomous vehicles can't?
Target identification, threat assessment, determining level of force necessary, simply being a human face rather than a machine. Drones are also vulnerable to electrical issues, signal issues, all sorts of things a human simply doesn't need to worry about or are more easily remedied in a human.
Occupying land is not simply about killing the enemy, and multiple armies have learned this over the course of human history. Rarely are you concerned with SIMPLY taking the land - even if it's agrarian capacities or whatever you're worried about, having the employees still alive (largely) leads to better outcomes. Having a functioning economy in the occupied zone leads to less resistance. Facilitating the continuity of life within the occupied zone does too - and that doesn't work if your "occupation force" is a bunch of robot dogs that mow down anyone for being in the street.
that's not where future warfare is headed. theres still a frontline that needs to be defended/attacked
“willingly”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/08/russia-ukraine-war-rural-communities
just look outside the city and you’ll see the “willing” participants who “chose” war instead of starvation
Didn't some country try to develop a chemical agent that would turn the enemy gay? 🤔
The US did:
This can easily be neglected negated with a squadron of gay soldiers, just saying. You can even code-name them "the spartans."
I don't like them putting a bunch of chemicals into the water that turn the freaking frogs gay. Do you understand that?
They'd probably fight even harder and become even more dangerous if they all turned gay. Ever heard of the Sacred Band of Thebes?
Ah yes, notorious woke libtards “Lockheed Martin”
Didn't you hear? Lockheed is "extremely woke" according to the right-wing culture warriors:
IDK how to tell you this...
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lockheed-martin_lgbtq-pridemonth-activity-6547850471061671936-zW0P
I remember a post from way back was a picture of someone's legs on their desk, wearing Lockheed Martin branded trans flag thigh socls
Those are coveted by the noncredibledefense crowd. You can get copies on AliExpress, but they just aren't the same.
The 'Fortunate Sons' are the rich ones with connections who didn't have to go to war. They got it backwards.
The war version of Zizek's "my chatbot fucks your chatbot, we get sex out of the way and we can discuss philosophy".
Do you want "Warhammer 40000: in the grim darkness of the future there is only war"?
Because that is how you get "Warhammer 40000: in the grim darkness of the future there is only war".
[off topic?]
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/74098/74098-h/74098-h.htm
War No. 81-Q by Cordwainer Smith
The USA and Tibet go to war in the 22nd Century...
Really cool cyberpunk story of war. Next up is to fight for the oil in Iran with a car race, winner takes all.
Did you notice that it was written in 1928?
Yes! It was very surprising that it was so spot on. I guess there were people there knowing that the future of war was remote. The radar wasn't even invented by that date!
I just rewatched the pilot episode of Babylon 5. The space station has a daily newspaper.
It's always fun to read old SF and see what they got right and what they missed.
Probably the king of misinformation is 'The Man Who Sold The Moon.' Gets every detail wrong, but it's still a fun read. One of the businessman/hero's greatest inventions is an automatic light switch you don't have to touch to turn on lights when you enter a room. Best invention of 1954!
Thank you for the recommendation. I like the aesthetics of the future envisioned in the 20th century like some of Asimov books with their huge computers because he didn't know that the future was in miniaturization of the computer. He believed that the path to increase computer power was a physical expansion of current technology.
Eight pages.
One of my all time favorite Asimov stories.
Thank you for the read, it is a very good story. It was funny for me that a programmer would reinvent the wheel from first concepts, even if that reinvention needed to create computation again.
I think it shows that overreliance on computers would make us abstract basic concepts until no one knows such things as basic arithmetic.
If you want to scare yourself, talk to some current day grade school teachers.
I have heard various teachers on social media speak out about the current education system in the USA.
It is dire out there with students using AI with text to speech and speech to text to avoid reading.
Apparently, actual techbros make sure their kids don't see a screen until they've graduated college.
It is the comparison between the tech enthusiast with doors that open with a command and the tech user that has a gun next to their printer if it makes a weird sound.
I would wait until after the kid has finished elementary school and under supervision. My kid should want to play with his friends outside and sometimes with an online game, not stay in social media watching short-form content all day.
Ew new wars are so ugly 🤮 Give us the ol' good trench war!
Nothing gets the murder juices flowing like being forced into a hot, humid environment you never thought about until getting drafted.
Anyone who thinks America were the good guys in Vietnam is full on fucking stupid.
America who faked an attack on themselves (Gulf of Tonkin incident) to get into a war, start loosing and so used chemical weapons and random attacks on women and children. Then continuing to lose Richard Nixon decided to extend the war crimes and deaths several years in order to run an illegal and undeclared war against Laos and Cambodia - allowing Pol Pot and the Kymer Rouge to get into power off the millitarism and anti-American sentiment the wars created.
Eventually when the American media and students got angry enough and the war dead and massive extent of war crimes, and illegal actions of Nixon got too much, America finally decided to accept their losses and just leave. Leaving Pol Pot to commit his own extremist crimes against humanity.
Ultimately Vietnam had to then go to war with their neighbors in order to stop Pol Pot's war cimes and genocides. Vietnam cleaned up America's mess.
All because America was afraid of Socialism.
The fucking "good guys", spraying agent orange and napalm on children.
This post is satire. Take a look at the
PTSD: Hell yeah [++++++++++]
Nobody likes PTSD. This is a parody of being pro-war.
Yeah, like "war was fun before" Sure kido.
I watched this video of non-secular figures addressing this very topic - probably 10+ years old. How even the advent of the modern day guns or even just the hand guns are just cruel. It was an interesting none the less.
Which just makes the "warrior ethos" talk that much hilarious while also concerning.
War is a subscription
Oh hell no this sounds way too plausible for this timeline please make it stop
Don't miss this astoundingly weird research paper linked in the original thread: https://mander.xyz/comment/28851668

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