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[–] 208 points 3 months ago (12 children)

I don't see why it shouldn't be. We're all Spartacus.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (10 children)
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  • [–] 69 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Appreciate this post but can we generally share links to articles instead of just screenshots.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 months ago

    His lawyers and he know exactly what kind of sham trial the prosecution is planning on behalf of their corporate oligarchs. Making it completely transparent is the only chance they have.

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  • [–] 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I've heard that the revolution will not be televised.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago

    If YoU aReNt DoInG aNyThInG wRoNg ThEn YoU hAvE nOtHiNg To HiDe!

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    They broadcast the OJ Trial, they should broadcast Luigi's trial.

    The prosecution is scared shitless that the concept of Jury Nullification will become mainstream, and if the Cirizens realize they can just release anyone they want to, then MAGA won't be able to win their bullshit cases.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Let's be honest, you'll never get a jury that at least 1 person doesn't vote guilty, so it would be a hung jury. Thus he would spend life in prison blowing through all his families money continuously going back to court getting tried for murder over and over. He'd die in prison and his family would give up on him eventually because face it... The system already beat him.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    In practice that's now how hung juries work, even for high-profile cases. No DA wants to have the shame of repeatedly trying the same trial, even if double jeopardy doesn't apply. At some point it looks to the voters that you're just wasting taxpayer resources.

    Instead what tends to happen is that the charges get less severe with each trial, and that the defendant gets a better plea offer each time. For example, maybe Mangione gets a hung jury for the capital murder trial. In the next trial they charge him in a way the death penalty isn't on the table. If first degree murder fails, the next trial they charge him with second degree murder. It becomes easier to get a conviction with each trial, as jurors are less likely to practice jury nullification as the stakes of the trial decrease.

    Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal. Every trial is still a roll of the dice for the defendant. If he kept getting hung juries, maybe eventually Mangione accepts a plea deal for manslaughter.

    No one wants to do infinite trials. The prosecutor doesn't want to seem weak or a waster of taxpayer resources. The defendant doesn't want to keep rolling the dice with their life. With each passing trial, the charges decrease. With each trial, conviction becomes easier. Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal to eliminate the possibility of spending the rest of their life in prison.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This DOJ does not give a shit about optics, they control the optics. They will just do infinite trials.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    They don't care about optics? Really? The same guys who lie whenever an ICE shooting happens to immediately portray the victim as a criminal? The same guys who changed the names to the Department of War and the Gulf of America? The same guys that launch political prosecutions they know will never succeed (like the reflecting pool cases), just to sooth Trump's ego?

    These clowns are void of substance. They're nothing but optics.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The prosecutor won't care if it wastes tax dollars or about the image of the case having been hung. Trump will publicly smear the jury members on live television that dont vote guilty. Fox will call them all leftist terrorists who are a threat to our country.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    You need to apply more critical thinking and consider the actual motivations prosecutors are under. It does no good to just model your adversaries as infinitely powerful demons and assume they have the will and capacity to do all the evil all the time. It makes you incapable of rational thought.

    There are very real downsides to a prosecutor bringing a case again and again. Downsides that actually hurt their goals.

    • With each trial the evidence gets less fresh.
    • With each trial the prosecutor seems to more of the public as the villain.
    • With enough trials defendants can start making legal claims based on due process grounds (not double jeopardy grounds.)
    • Every trial is a roll of the dice that the jury will return a full verdict of not guilty, rather than merely a hung jury.
    • With each trial the popularity of the defendant increases, upping political pressure on the prosecutor.
    • After enough trials, the governor will be under pressure to just grant the defendant a pardon.
    • With more and more trials, the prosecutor risks completely destroying their career. They risk being seen as an incompetent clown who either can't get a conviction or is too dumb to realize when he doesn't have a case.

    You can assume the prosecutor is evil if you want. But that doesn't mean you can pretend that the prosecutors still aren't mortal human beings with the same worldly pressures as anyone else. And despite Trump's verbal diarrhea, federal prosecutors have had to abandon countless cases due to lack of evidence, Trump's tantrums be damned.

    Even if you assume the prosecutor is willing to do anything to get the maximum conviction possible, they still will not endlessly try defendants. Each trial makes a conviction more unlikely. Which is why charges get watered down and plea offers get more generous.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Rofl wow sweet summer child prosecutors put all kind of innocent people in jail. Please think before you speak. Wasting tax money is the norm.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    https://thelegalguide.org/how-often-can-hung-jury-lead-retrial/

    I'm just describing how hung juries work and the pressures involved on both prosecution and defendant. Maybe you should think before you speak. And start by not being a pompous ass.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Can't be tried for a crime more than once. Otherwise oj would be in prison.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    In this case, there was no trial, the prosecutor dropped the case, and cited the true reason for the damage, which is the perfect defense if there was a retrial.

    This is just Trump having a tantrum like the spoiled nine year old he is.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They should start using the surveillance arguments here. "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide."

    I want to hear the Prosecutors arguments against that.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Did the McDonalds Judas ever get their blood money?

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    How do you reward a facial recognition system?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm wondering if that is all fluff. Or phones constantly report to Google/Apple Wi-Fi and Bluetooth MACs.

    They could just scan what devices operate on that location and have Google/Apple report which users were near them at given time.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Apple devices rotate WiFi and Bluetooth MAC addresses for security, I assume Android devices do the same.

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  • [–] 97 points 3 months ago (47 children)

    How crazy would it be if he actually didn't do it??

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  • [–] 68 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    i have never bought into the story that he did it.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    50/50 in my mind.

    Like yes police incompetence should be expected, but they broke every rule arresting him, searching his bag, etc etc. Evidence being inadmissible aside, the police did a great job of substantiating our suspicions that Luigi was framed.

    On the other hand, this doesn't sound like someone who didn't do it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R7R6dmYOVfc

    Like maybe he's alluding to the framing being an insult to the american people. But me personally if I was being framed by the government and desperately trying to get help, I would say it more plainly.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn’t take too much incorrect procedure for a case like this to fall apart

    Regardless of guilt

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  • [–] 52 points 3 months ago

    As it should.

    The police cornering someone in a McDonalds and "finding" evidence behind a wall of officers with zero transparency is exactly why courts shouldn't admit such evidence.

    Maybe if police didn't have a documented history and widely known legacy of false imprisonment, planting evidence, and down right corruption...

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    If he did, literally all the evidence was faked in a parallel construction so obvious it makes me doubt these people could have managed any other in history. It makes me question whether drug dogs might even be a real thing

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    drug dogs are not actually accurate at finding drugs, they sound off when their handler indicates. do with that what you will.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Fun fact, if you're white, you can easily smuggle things by just not watching the search.

    The cop is watching you to know when to signal the dog to alert.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    They either watch you to know when to signal, in the cases where it actually "works" (which, as fucked up as it is, reading your body language is "working" for some definition of working), or they're just using it as an excuse to search/harass you, in which case they just signal when they want to.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Can you back this up or is it just a trust me bro?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    https://www.bjjohnsonlaw.com/probable-cause-or-probable-fiction-the-legal-myth-of-the-drug-sniffing-dog

    A 2011 analysis by the Chicago Tribune examined three years of data on police dog alerts during traffic stops in suburban Chicago. The study found that drugs or paraphernalia were discovered in only 44% of cases where dogs alerted. Notably, the accuracy dropped to 27% when the driver was Latino, suggesting potential bias in the deployment or interpretation of canine alerts.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    This doesn't prove dogs can't detect odors. At best it implies bias in officers which is not really what you suggested. It's also a lone study.

    I work adjacent to this field so these kinds of claims coming from someone who clearly doesn't makes it sound like you don't really know what you are talking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Look man, I was just linking you to a study when you asked for sources. There’s no need for hostility here. Also, there are more studies discussed in the article if you actually click on the link.

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  • [–] 159 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    He couldn't have done it, he was at my house playing halo 3 and drinking game fuel

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I can confirm I was the game fuel

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I still find it very suspicious that they claim he killed a man then went to McDonald's and ordered a meal and that's how they caught him?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    What is the charge? Eating a meal?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Highly unlikely, given how they ran him down when he was carrying a second model of the ghost gun from the crime scene.

    Impressive he made it as far as he did. Amazing he didn't make it father. Just going on a nature walk for a few days probably would have done it.

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  • [+] -39 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    He printed the gun himself and was caught carrying a bag with the weapon and writings about the actions he took. No fuckin chance.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Police broke chain of custody on pretty much his entire kit. If it isn't submittable as evidence, the DA is going to have a hellish time putting him at the scene of the crime.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Oh okay sure pal, I guess since the files were on his home computer means he just sold the gun to the local police two states away who then committed the crime, tricked him into traveling there, and then framed him. /sarcasm

    EDIT: BTW a judge ruled the evidence can still be shown to the jury.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The thing about ghost guns is that anyone can print them.

    Past that, they can probably get him on some kind of conspiracy to print a dearly weapon charge with the computer files. But that's a long way from putting him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon on the day in question.

    It's not even a question of if he did it. It's the problem of bringing the evidence they have in front of a jury without it getting tossed by the judge first.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    He left the suppressor on the scene, we're way past the stage of trying to tie the weapon to the crime.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    He left the suppressor on the scene

    Do the prosecutors have anything to tie him to it? Or did they just find a suppressor and assert it was his because he's the guy they caught?

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