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[–] 78 points 3 months ago (10 children)

How would he know?

Because, he’d have to know the answer and then willfully lie for his nose to grow. Alternatively, giving a confident answer when he doesn’t know would make his nose grow regardless of him being correct.

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  • [–] 227 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    They actually get into this in the other panels that aren't posted. Having trouble finding non-reddit links to it though https://www.reddit.com/r/theotherendcomics/s/9X4C16J7yi

    Also, not very experienced adding photos from my phone to comments but trying to attach screenshots

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  • [–] 79 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I think in another comic, it was determined that it doesn't matter if he knew the answer. The nose knows the answer and changes size based on his answer.

    Edit:

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The other advantage is that the more he lies, the more free firewood you can get.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago

    Shrek Pinoccio:

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I've had conversations with my friends on whether his nose grows based on deception or the truth value of the statement. My friend and I with rather secular upbringings grew up thinking it was based on deception and my friends with rather extreme Christian upbringings grew up thinking it was based on the truth. Obviously a very small sample size but I do wonder if there is a correlation

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Christian thinks that belief = truth. News at 11.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think in this case it's the exact opposite. The secular friends believed it changed based on pinocchio's personal beliefs and attempted deceptions, while the christians apparently believed it changed based on whether his words reflected some absolute truth, regardless of his personal thoughts and beliefs. fwiw

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  • I'm saying that the Pinocchio nose thing is clearly based on his lying, i.e. on stating something he knows/believes to be false, not an objective truth. It is the theme of the story.

    And all too commonly, Christian (and other) fundamentalists extend beyond mere faith into delusion where they lose track of what is their personal belief and what is ubiquitous accepted reality. Sometimes to the point that that they actually cannot accept that others simply don't believe in their deity. They genuinely think that their deity not only definitely exists, but such a fact is unquestionably apparent on the face of it to everyone and competely beyond reproach. So when one claims to be an atheist, or hold another faith, the only conclusion that they can come to is that you actually do know their deity exists and so your denial of them is either out of evil, misplaced anger, brainwashing (by evil men or the devil or something similar) or you are a grifter with some other agenda. Whatever it is, it most certainly can't be a sound, justified, reasonable lack of belief in their god. That's nonsense.

    Again, that's not all of them, but any means. But it's not uncommon either.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    If you say something you're convinced is correct with the best intentions. But it turns out to be incorrect. Will you burn in hell for breaking one of the 10 commandments? Asking for a friend.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    No. Lying is making a claim you actually believe is untrue. It's actual truthfulness is irrelevant. If you believe it's true, it's not a lie.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'd like to believe there would be some carve out here for willful ignorance. Like if the truth is easily accessible and you choose to believe contrary to that because of some other thing, maybe you don't get grace on that.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    This only works if Pinocchio is an all knowing entity. If he doesn't know shit about the universe, than his lies aren't proof that the opposite statement is true.

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    Fool. Wong question.

    "Do things in undiscovered extra dimensions affect our dimension by way gravity?"

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Unfortunately truth does not usually equal fact.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    "I am telling you, I saw Kojima in my town's coffee shop ride the rising gear of metal in the fountain!" However, I'm a hyperphantasiac to the extreme where I hardly distinguish between being present in my dreams and reality. I told you the truth, I did see that, but the fact of whether that happened is not there.

    Iunno tho, I'm taking a wild guess of what they could've meant, this logic seems most sound for that statement to be sensical

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    In the hypothetical, it is the truth, just not of the shared reality (am I schizoposting with this one btw?)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    No, it's just somewhat of a struggle to distinguish reality from dream from how exactly the same I experience them :(

    Just trying to argue that technically, truth and fact don't need to neccessarily match depending on the subjective experience of the person telling it

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Archaic example.

    Truth: during the middle ages doctors believed that disease was caused by miasma, or "bad air," and that by breathing it in could cause illness.

    Fact: Disease was caused by microorganisms, which spread by vectors such as insect bites, coughing and sneezing, and contaminated drinking water, among others.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Thanks for pointing me to kohney.com

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Read that as gravy at first

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