A professor used white font to hide instructions to throw off students using an AI chatbot to cheat on their midterm.

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[–] 142 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Good on him for catching them out, but they should've received more severe a punishment for such blatant and lazy cheating.

And explaining how you caught them doesn't make them less likely to cheat in the future, it simply makes them less likely to be caught doing so.

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  • [–] [S] 118 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It's been a good long while, but when I was a student, cheating got you automatically expelled - temporarily for a small "casual" case of plagiarism, permanently for anything more egregious.

    I guess things have changed.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago

    Yeah. When I was a student, I got sent to an academic misconduct panel just suspected of cheating, and was told I absolutely could be expelled if they found out I had actually done it.

    And sure, in reality somebody had copied my work and I could prove it, so I was fine - but at least they bothered to actually investigate in my example!

    I know policies are different between institutions, but these students got caught red-handed not just plagiarising, but outright faking coursework submissions. Why is there no investigation into their previous coursework, no misconduct panel interviews, literally nothing apart from failing the specific part of the mid-term they were caught cheating on.

    No wonder they don't give a damn when the punishment for being caught has so little teeth!

    As you say, times have changed for the worse.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Policy where I teach is that it's up to the professor's discretion, though that's mostly because it's not always as easy to prove as this. There's a boilerplate anti cheating section we have in our syllabus that says it's a reportable offense that may lead to academic probation or expulsion.

    Honestly, it's also a ton of paperwork so I've just opted to fail them since usually my papers aren't so easily answered via an LLM and rather than tell them I caught them cheating, I simply point out they missed rubric item 2, 5 and 6 so it's something solid, not my speculation. But I also haven't white texted them yet, lol.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    I presume that the use of gen AI is not considered plagiarism.

    They probably have some kind of lame policy around "responsible use of gen AI" or something.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    And explaining how you caught them doesn’t make them less likely to cheat in the future, it simply makes them less likely to be caught doing so.

    They didn't even read what the AI spewed. They aren't paying attention at all, they're making zero effort. I don't think they'll be less likely to be caught, because they'll never come across the explanation.

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  • [–] 76 points 3 months ago

    Imagine....they didn't. Even. Read it.

    They deserve the failure grade

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  • [–] 127 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    32/35?! Cheesus Crackers. The microplastics were already making us stupid, now whatever's left is being melted by corpos.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I think it's supposed to mean 35 people failed, 32 of those because of AI.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    That makes a lot more sense. Having almost all your students proven cheaters would be catastrophic, and I can't imagine he would have remained so relatively calm and matter-of-fact.

    It's also important to remember that that's 32 college students who didn't proofread. How many more noticed his shenanigans when highlighting the text, or simply used LLMs for only part of their essay?

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  • It's rare but with certain cohorts I've watched it happen. And one instance it was basically an entire class that just copied and pasted the answers to their book work off of the internet.

    They all basically use the same source so everyone of them use the same boring metaphor, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    the university would immediately investigating if all students failed the class. they usually do this if a large proportion dont show up to class as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t think this is the case for every school and professor, depending on how hard it is to get a professor for the subject they teach.

    Personal anecdote ahead:

    There’s one at my school that has over half the class drop every single semester, every single class because his expectations for freshman in a core class are more in line with what you should be expecting of seniors or grad students. Who knows how many that don’t drop fail, because he responds to requests for assistance or advice by essentially telling you to figure it out yourself.

    But he teaches classes that tons of international students want to take, so he makes the school too much money (they still keep the money if you don’t drop before the 2 week drop deadline, way too early for most to see how fucked his classes are).

    The funny thing is I took a class of his not knowing he was like that bc it was online, happened to be in my wheelhouse and I got an A after spending a stupid amount of time and effort on my papers. I needed another class and decided to take him in person because I genuinely did learn a lot from the other class, and oh boy… noped right the fuck out of there after making a genuine effort to see if I would be able to even do the project worth 1/3rd of our grade.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    similar situation, we had a math teach in CC, who was teaching above the material for the class ( getting into matrices, and discrete math in adv alg class) 2/3 of the class dropped, get this nobody in the class knew he actually dropped the students himself(because they wernt passing because he was teaching material way more advanced than the class subject, and he forgot to tell them) only after i actually voiced my concern, did the other students bailed, otherwise they would took the whole class wasted thier time. he taught at night and a different UNI as well, im guessing thats why the school dint catch on. if only i knew about RATEMYPROF i wouldve avoided him, and many others to.(most people ended with a W), i have suspicion he hates teaching CC CLASSES(he would often call people terrible for not learning) and did say people do graduate HS with a low skill in math. since it was a night class it was more annoying, because it was more material jammed in one day, and people have to slog through the semester just to take night class.

    another course, a higher math class i was in, most of the student dont bother showing up til test time, like 75% of the class is gone most of the time, the school noticed it somehow and sent an auditor to sit in the class, i assume its because they w ill cancel the class because people wernt showing up to the class anymore. The students did get wind of it, and everyone showed up when the auditor did, so nothing happened. it was an easy class though, and the teacher was retiring soon then anyways.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    “Thirty-two of my 35 students between two classes failed a portion of their midterm because they all used AI to generate their entire response,” he explained in a viral TikTok, sounding incredulous. “And apparently they didn’t proofread it.”

    In don’t know, that sounds like only three people passed that portion the mid-term.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Are cheating and plagiarism no longer grounds for immediate expulsion...?

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Universities don't teach students out of a sense of duty and honor.

    Students are their funding. Failing these 32 students could cost the school millions.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The upper management of high schools are generally the kinda people who'd say "it's not cheating, it's just a tool"

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  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    32 out of 35.

    That tracks. I hate over 90% of people

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Good on the three people who wasn't caught, either because the don't use AI or because they at least read the question and the llm output. And gold star if any of them noticed the white text but didn't tell the rest of the students!

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Wow this gen is pathetic. 0 tech literacy

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Did a paper with a 20-year old. Intelligent, well-spoken girl. She was absolutely astonished that there are keyboard shortcuts for Cut and Paste.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Never underestimate the lengths an intelligent (but lacking in 'common sense') person will go to when learning something the hard way simply because the easy way didn't exist in their mind. The results of that hard work on their depth and breadth of knowledge is unmatched.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Gibson shared some of the most examples in a follow-up video.

    The most examply of examples, presumable?

    If you're just rehashing someone else's video for your "article" can't you at least check your language?

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    At least you know it was written by a human 🙂 I honestly welcome dumb spelling and grammar mistakes nowadays - and I never thought I'd ever say that - as a sign that I'm probably not reading slop.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Soon the slop will just start dropping words and making typos because it’s learned that’s what we prefer.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago*

    Yeah I too believe this will happen some day. The key to spreading AI seems to be tricking people into interacting with it.

    But for now, it seems LLMs are still totally focused on talking like marketdroids or salesmen you wouldn't lend your wallet to.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago

    Good. Is there an office on student conduct at the place he worked? Has he reported the students as cheaters already?

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  • [–] 82 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    That professor was more charitable than I would have been, not failing all those students out of the entire class immediately.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I hate how many posts on LinkedIn are “AI is inevitable, we might as well use it everywhere”… um, no. Develop critical thinking and the ability to do it on your own and then, maybe, just maybe, use it as a tool, not a replacement.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Because my guess is that you don't understand why you're being downvoted:

    You don't have to cheat to fail a test. Some people take a test and fail. That happened for three people.

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    [–] 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You'd have to be really dumb to get caught by this.

    People have been using the white font trick in job applications for years now.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Firstly they're students. They haven't done a job application yet - and quite frankly, a lot of them don't know obvious shit because, well, they're young.

    But also, a lot of "professionals" who really should know better do stupid shit too.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    and quite frankly, a lot of them don’t know obvious shit because, well, they’re young.

    Being young or being a student doesn't mean you're dumb. Also even if you haven't it's still something you think about and discuss. Especially by your third and fourth years, it's something you should be actively thinking about more and more.

    I finished school two years ago by the way. Not trying to give you hope for the future or anything because a lot of people are dumb but they should know better.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This has been common practice in schools for several years now. Students are well aware of this tactic.

    Im surprised that some students were caught off guard, because anyone in Dark mode can easily see the white font.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 3 months ago

    This is very satisfying!

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    Lazy shits.... good. It means the teacher cares. Lucky

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    If they're doing this in other classes then they're either going to get caught and fail or they won't get caught but won't have learned anything. What are these people going to be doing out in the world when they get older?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They'll be getting their MBAs.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    By the time they get a job, AI will be doing all the work anyway so I guess it doesn't matter

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No it won't. What the professor did illustrates this. You have to have a human proof reading AI. No matter how smart computers get, they'll always be dumb as shit.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Our professor did the same thing last year. There was this MIPS assembly tasks and he added extra info there lol

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    I have always liked the idea of assembly languages being able to program so close to machine speed.

    But working with assembly has always felt like trying to build a mansion with what was left over after several Category 5 hurricanes flattened an area… and with zero power tools and machinery, to boot. Just hand tools and no supplies except that which you can salvage.

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