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[–] 61 points 3 months ago (10 children)

It's not just games anymore. Hence all the chuds losing their minds about "The Odyssey".

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I think the funniest part about the Odyssey conservative backlash is that Ben Shapiro of all people actually liked the movie because it "has clear conservative messaging with the law of Xenia"

    He also for some reason thinks that Xenia is a biblical addition to the film by the director. Not sure how he ended up with that conclusion.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    How can it be a Greek epic? They didn’t cast the most famous Greek hero of all!? Where’s Kevin Sorbo?! DISAPPOINTED

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    He also for some reason thinks that Xenia is a biblical addition to the film by the director. Not sure how he ended up with that conclusion.

    Dear liberals,

    You claim that you're not sure how he ended up with that conclusion, yet you're fully aware of what a media illiterate moron he is.

    Curious.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    There is nothing like republican Xenia:

    • bathing guests in tear gas
    • gifts of insults and oppression
    • exchanging gifts such as children to appease the gods
    • lodging guests in jail
    • safe escort to their next ICE prison camp destination
    • it’s considered rude to ask who the guests are before they have finished the meal offered to them. We don’t know who’s in the camps.
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  • [–] 136 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Look, just don't bring your damn politics to my game about war and politics. We are just here to shoot ̶b̶r̶o̶w̶n̶ people and relax. I don't want to think about the implications behind the media I am consuming.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Yeah! Why are modern games so political?! The classics were so much more nuanced. I remember when Wolfenstein 3D came out.... My favorite part playing that game was how ambiguous the creators were about the inspiration for the bad guys.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    That's conservative logic, not gamer logic. Some rather loud and obvious conservatives happen to be gamers. I know plenty of gamers that are extremely progressive.

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  • [–] 118 points 3 months ago (50 children)

    This is unrelated to gamers.
    There are plenty non-gamers who think like this.
    There are plenty of gamers who don't.
    This is just a subset of people.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, i am a gamer i don't give a fuck about what the right is trying to push regarding identity politics or "the woke left". Even as a long time gamer i believe that love has nothing to do with gender or specific body parts, it all comes down to personal preference and the freedom to choose what you are looking for. don't just pin this on the gamers please.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    Yup.

    I have family that supports all the awful shit going on in my country right now (US). They tell me it's just politics, and that I'm wrong to stop talking to them.

    The gamers I play with all openly talk about how wrong Trump and his administration is. We used to try to be apolitical, but the second term opened the flood gates. It is no longer moral to not talk about everything going on.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (40 children)

    It's a subset of people that overlaps with gamers in a big way. See: gamergate

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  • [–] 79 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    I disagree about the large overlap. It overlaps with a very loud minority that wants to take over the gaming space, same as they tried with the metal and goth fans in the early 2000 in my area. Don't fall for this shit. Most gamers nowadays are well balanced normal human beings.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)
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    lol

    ok i am NOT normal, because most of my day consists of testing some games on my PC. But i gotta say that most people who are into gaming nowadays don't fit the cliche of "recluse NEET gamer" anymore.

    So if you don't wanna feel normal, you are free to do so, as long as you aren't a piece of shit my dude ;-)

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    That’s funny. You’d think being right wing would not align with being goth.

    I knew some goths who were mostly apolitical, and so possibly susceptible to a small portion of that mindset (like I could maybe see a bit of manly manosphere type stuff) but in general that does not align with being anti establishment, which was, at least in the 90s, a large aspect of goth culture.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    There was a large push in europe around the 2000,2010s by the neofolk chuds, trying to push into the goth scene. they were largely unsuccessful.

    Edit: They were mainly trying to push the Nazi look to be accepted in the goth scene - Long leather mantles, Brownshirt and Tradwive shit. The Goths didn't take the bait.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago*

    laughs in ancient punk

    nazis don't care about the values embedded in the culture before they show up, and they won't listen to your critiques on how they don't fit. nazis don't hear nothing except bats and boots.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    There's an overweight of outcasts in gaming spaces, which is why queer people are incredibly overrepresented. Both among developers, players and in games themselves

    But for the same reasons, you'll find gaming related echo chambers that funnel people into hate filled ideology such as incel culture. A different kind of outcasts.

    Sure gaming have become quite mainstream and you can find almost any sub group who games. But most "normies" games less than the outcasts, as they don't need the escapism it allows for.

    Within the more "normal people" group, there's also variations. Some allow for hatred to exist within the communities they act within, some don't, some allow for queer safe spaces others turn around the second they see it.

    It's a nuanced topic, which could turn into paragraph after paragraph. But outcasts are overrepresented within gaming. Especially rural outcasts, as they aren't able to find a physical group to mirror themselves in

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    I really don't think so man. Sarkeasian was on to something when they said the media we consume shapes us and having lived the media zeitgeist of the early 2000's I can tell you we lived in a factory for making entitled little shitheads. There's a reason why they got so roided up at her specifically and it's because she read the industry for filth

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Meanwhile, Im just trying to earn bells so my little duck guy can have a fancy new bridge in animal crossing.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    Animal Crossing is pretty nontoxic. Also it just wasn't in the cultural zeitgeist at all during the G4 guygaming era and that's probably related.

    But I dunno. Nobody has exactly been SWATted, doxxed, or gotten bomb threats over the skin tone of Tom Nook so maybe that's a bad example?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Its a bad example of "reading the industry for filth" because the entirety of the industry isn't filth.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    The industry made a certain kind of thing financially successful and culturally dominant. I'm sorry you feel like that's a moral judgment on you, it doesn't change what happened

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I guess this series of comments goes to show how little you know of the gaming industry and its cultural impact.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Die mad about it? Maybe channel that wound into joining a guy militia or something. That's where a lot of those guys went

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    This conversation went from "haha duck guy" to "youre a huge chud who wants to end democracy" real fuckin fast lmao.

    The only person in this conversation who's going to "die mad about it" is likely to be you. What a weirdo.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    All I did was hold up a mirror and suggest the therapy that people turned to for the assault against video games that mean internet women perpetrated. Chud rofllmao came out of your mouth not mine 🫂 I was always with you big guy, I stand by victims

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    You gotta split that up.

    Sarkeesian was specifically trying to rile the rightwing chuds up. I applaud her for making that awful segment of gamers visible, so we all could see what was hidden there, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that there were a lot of gamers - i would even say a majority - that weren't part of this shitstorm.

    I never was against Sarkeesian, even tho she wasn't really speaking for me, but she made a part of gamer culture visible that was at that time hiding beneath the surface. Gaming society at large also made clear that they don't want that kind of conduct to be the standard. It took a while, but if you filter out the loud minority that rages against everything they decide is woke, you can see that most gamers don't want to be associated with this hateful crap.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    That's a new take to me. Literally not trying to sealion here, but I actually want to know how that has come about. That would make me reconsider some things.

    She wasn't really speaking to me either, I played games that had the tropes she was talking about but it really didn't change how I feel about them. I thought she was looking at the nature of writing, not games themselves. Or even if it was, just kind of an insane thing to go to Breitbart and Maga over

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Seeing people have sincere discussion on important and contentious topics makes me really happy. I'm curious to see how yalls discussion goes ☺️

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    a subset of people are pieces of shit. Lots of people are gamers. Grandmas are gamers. Grandpas are gamers. School teachers are gamers. Doctors are gamers. CEOs call themselves gamers too. Cops are gamers. ICE chuds are gamers.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    perhaps there’s a difference between
    people who play games
    and
    those with the identity of gamer

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There's not. I've never heard of gamergate before this thread and I know I'm not alone. I've probably referred to myself as a gamer before as it's shorter than saying I play video games.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I can see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think using the word for the sake of convenience doesn’t necessarily show it’s not a useful distinction.

    I draw, built, paint, and craft almost daily. But it’s just something I do. It’s not my identity. I don’t see myself as an artist—even though I may spend as much time on art as some who do see themselves as an artist. I’d feel weird using the word artist to describe who I am just because it’s shorter than saying I like creating artwork.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    That sounds to me like theorizing if perhaps there is a difference between people who play football and people who identity as a footballer.

    What does that really mean?

    Both enjoy their hobby with the only difference being if they choose to introduce themselves by the hobby, but still doesn't really tell us much about them.

    Other than I guess other than some anecdotal assumptions that are going to widely vary on peoples personal interactions and which social media they choose to interact with.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    i don't think many people who played games at the time were heavily invested in gamergate, but the gamergate gamers were a very loud and toxic minority. that's often who is being talked about when you say gamer, not the average person who plays games. it's the difference between gamer (neutral) and gamer (derogatory)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I'm into gaming and still in the dark about what gamersgate is about. I was on reddit but not using other social media like twitter, so maybe that played role in not getting much exposure to it.

    I don't think average gamer kept up with gamersgate, since they just were more interested in what games came out, reviews, and discussions about games.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It also ignored casual gamers. Like I think little phone games are now the biggest market. Honestly I think gamer is such a blanket term it doesn't have a lot of meaning anymore. I am pretty sure just by how widely digital gaming is now, how many players are like under 10 years old etc like they could NOT be gamergate people.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, its like making assumptions about cinema and TV show fans, but many don't keep up with celebrity news or culture. Its just a source of entertainment to them they like to watch.

    Games being some niche demographic that is in the loop of every discourse is a very outdated old person view now. Its actually so popular now the revenue from it is more than film and music combined.

    Even something like Marvel and DC being the stereotypical interest of some nerds no longer applies once it became mainstream, and that's where games have been at for years now.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    A majority of people are gamers now.
    The subset of people who are like this, are a small minority; Both among gamers and the general population.

    Gamergate included a small fraction of one gaming type, at best.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Epstein funded chud movement. Started from 4chan. This video explains it in detail

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Thank you so much, I always heard about it and saw it referenced in discussion but didn't actually know what the hell happened or what it actually was, I'll have to sit down and give this a watch!

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    There's also a subset of people who make up statements based on nothing more than them wanting to believe what they're saying is true that overlaps with gamers in a big way. See: your comment.

    So I guess you're a gamer too.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    There are plenty of gamers who do and are especially toxic. Your post reads like a 'not all men'. There's nothing wrong with targeting a vocal subset, it doesn't invalidate any other group.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    All inclusive statements like this, are in fact lazy and stupid. Using them automaticly makes you wrong. And it makes you vulnerable to equally stupid retorts like not all men. They are unforced errors in public discourse.

    If you want to target a vocal subset, that's great! Do that instead.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    I see your point.

    All sweeping generalizations are, in fact, false.

    That vocal subset has tarnished the term 'gamer' as a whole for me, I reflexively go to associating that label with them. There are those who game who are not part of the toxic Manosphere, but self describing as a gamer is a red flag for me.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    i don't want colored folks in my historically accurate game about dragons and wizards!!!

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    dont direct the blame toward gamers, direct the blame toward conservatives, whose views these actually are

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    playing Dark Souls 3

    EVERY time a female character, npc, or even artwork appears

    without fail

    message on the ground

    woman therefore beating to a pulp required ahead

    200+ likes

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Got beat up in rocket league or something?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Why is the image link showing this instead

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I don't know, but as a grammar MAGA pedant with ADHD this picture gave me cancer 🤮

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The nonsense text and links leading to other bits of nonsense text makes me think it's to poison AI crawlers.

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    I just want a fun game like KOTOR

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's undeniable there are a lot of very stupid people, and many of them are loud gamers.

    One of the problems is humans are social creatures. Facts don't change minds. In-group pressure changes minds. (And sometimes horrific trauma, but only sometimes*). The typical person, confronted with an idea that contradicts a non-trivial belief, will evaluate primarily if the person presenting the belief is in-group. The same kind of message delivered by different people has very different outcomes.

    With the Internet, idiots and assholes can find their own social groups to reinforce their shitty beliefs.

    If we want to fix this, we'd have to do the long, expensive, and thankless work of getting them to see us as in-group, and getting them to then adopt better ideas. Incidentally, that's how the right wing has been operating.

    Laughing at them for being fucking morons is satisfying, but it's like picking at a scab. It's not going to heal.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    I play video games, but my "identity" as a "gamer" is not important enough to me to care about defending the label.

    If someone says "gamers are trash," you either know exactly the type of person they're talking about, or you are the type of person they're taking about.

    I have no desire to argue "well I'm a gamer and I'm not like those people" because I don't give a damn about the "sanctity" of such an arbitrary label. Also, not only are there tons of toxic gamers who are guilty of all the -isms, but there are also a lot of gamers who are all-to-eager to minimize the shitty actions of the former group and I don't want to be associated with them either.

    "That's just how online gaming is" or "You think that's bad? You should've seen call of duty lobbies back in the day" are common refrains from people who may not be hyper-toxic themselves, but they're completely adjusted to bigotry being the status quo for the hobby and they don't even see it as a problem to be corrected.

    Also, I'm white. Seeing people criticize racism in gamer culture and jumping to the defense of the label as if that's the problem feels very on brand for the way that white people tend to prioritize things. The bigotry is a much bigger problem than my "right" to call myself a gamer without the extra baggage. It feels a bit like still trying to defend twitter. I play video games, but yes, gamers are trash.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I feel like there's a lot of white dudes in here that are like "what do you mean? I'VE found it so easy to avoid the toxic minority of chuds. Must be a you-problem? If anything, YOU'RE discriminating against ME by bringing this up."

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