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[–] 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Microsoft's branding is intensely confusing. These are not backward compatible games. If you own it on Xbox, you CANNOT play it on PC.

These are PC ports for classic Xbox games that require a re-purchase.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Are you sure? This line from the post seems to indicate otherwise:

    If you already own a digital license for these games on console, that license now carries over to your PC or handheld.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    Nobody in 2003 bought digital licenses for the OG Xbox. Basically every current owner of these games (ex: Crimson Skies) will be forced to repurchase it to take advantage of the advertised "backwards compatibility".

    This is not backwards compatibility as Microsoft claims, this is a PC port.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Each of these games is now available for purchase on PC and also included with all XBOX Game Pass plans. If you already own a digital license for these games on console, that license now carries over to your PC or handheld.

    It's like there's a whole article to read and not just a headline.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    None of the OG Xbox games were digital licenses. They only came on disks.

    It was xbox360 that started the digital downloads- they may have ported something to the digital store, but it would still be a digital port (or something with an emulation layer.)

    Either way, if you bought the game for an og Xbox, you didn’t buy a digital pass.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Or just emulate them. Microsoft sucks.

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is absolutely huge. Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2 are finally released from the Xbox prison? It's enough to make a grown man weep. I know emulation exists but it has been very spotty for Xbox titles and marred with bugs and performance issues.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I mean this is emulation, just in an official capacity.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    If it works the same way as Backwards Compatibility on the Xbox consoles it will also often have support for higher resolutions, higher frame rates and HDR. And I'm hoping the official support from Microsoft will mean better performance and fewer bugs.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    My XBOX backwards compatibility on PC is called Xemu. On Linux, not just Windows 11.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Haven’t ever used it yet but it comes with Emudeck. My emulation backlog is a mile long so maybe someday will get to OG Xbox lol

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    My emulation backlog of games I want to (or started to) play is also huge. But besides that, I am also a sucker for games to try out without the intend to play them for longer session; especially true for really old systems from the 80s... XBOX holds up well, given its age off course. You don't have to play all games, its often just fun to try out to see how the game works and then move on.

    For anyone starting with XBOX emulation, I recommend the files in .xiso format. That is a compressed .iso, which saves ton of space if you have lots of them (i am innocent!).

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    If they don't come to Steam then people will simply continue to emulate.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What’s a “Radeon RX 68005”

    Did they just add the 5 for fun? Or is there some new model I’m not aware of?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Requires Windows 11

    Bet my whole steam library that it doesn't

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Players can jump into the following games on PC and supported handheld devices beginning today in supported regions:

    • BLiNX: The Time Sweeper
    • Conker: Live and Reloaded
    • Crimson Skies®: High Road to Revenge
    • Fuzion Frenzy®

    Each of these games is now available for purchase on PC and also included with all XBOX Game Pass plans. If you already own a digital license for these games on console, that license now carries over to your PC or handheld.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    When I saw the title I got excited for some kind of way you could actually use the old disks in your PC... but this is fine too I guess, if a lot less inspiring.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They are pleased to support these games from now until they fire the emulation team. (Sometime in the next month)

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    What's a bunch of horse shit. Sony did the same thinking awhile back.

    The title reads like you get to play your old disks on PC.

    What they're really saying is your can buy access to older Xbox games that are emulated.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Neat. I wonder how they're doing this though, because I'm assuming it's just an Xbox emulator adding the games on PC. Or are they proper PC ports?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The Xbox One and Series use x86 CPUs and Radeon GPUs, so emulation is not necessary, it's more likely a compatibility layer, similar to what Proton does to allow Windows games to run on Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    This is for OG Xbox games though?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    To be fair the original Xbox uses x86 and a nvidia gpu, so not that different from the one and series either

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One/Series are using emulators to run OG Xbox games. Its called Xefu (Xenon Fusion Emulator).

    Just having a x86 CPU doesn't mean console generations are interchangable.

    So to answer the parent comment, yes, it's emulation.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "Backward compatibility"? So I can put my Xbox discs into my PC and run the games?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    After the head of the BC program got sacked in the last round of layoffs, I lost all hope about it going anywhere in the near future. I'm happy I was proven wrong.

    What's not clear in the linked article is how to access the BC games: do I need to buy them from the store, or is a disc allowed like on Xbox console?

    A lot of BC games have been delisted over the years, so being able to access them via disc would be great. It's not an immediate concern as they only made four games available on PC, but I'm thinking ahead.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear.
    Yes, it's spelled out clearly for these 4 games in early release. As I said, I was thinking ahead. Lots of 360 games I own are not available to buy anymore, unfortunately. If this BC program only affects digital licences, it will be a bummer.

    I seem to remember they were looking into ways to convert disc into digital licenses, so maybe that's how they are planning to do it.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Crimson skies had a PC release in 2000. Amazing game.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Loved that game as a kid, and still have my OG copy.

    It wasn’t until going back and playing as an adult that I recognized Timothy Omundson as the lead VA. Loved him in Psych and in Supernatural. Apparently he voiced various characters is KoTOR 2 and I desperately need to replay that as an adult.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Well shit... If I had known that, I woulda got it on PC so I wouldn't have had to have XBL to play it online. :/

    (not that I paid for XBL anyway on the OG xbox; i was getting a new game at least once a month, and most of them came with a 3 month pass to XBL 🤣)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Which emulator did they fork?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You can approve and disapprove of different actions a company takes at the same time. This is a positive move for game preservation (at least on the surface I'm sure M$ will find a way to fuck it up). Still doesn't redeem them in my eyes, but I'm always for positive actions.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    They seem to have taken the least-compatible course for preservation, when emulators work fine already (after many years of false starts due to folks believing that Xbox just had an x86 under the hood).

    P.S. Meanwhile, PS Classic uses the PCSX ReARMed emulator, even though the game library is still pretty small at just twenty titles (but people sideload basically anything they want).

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    When something good happens I'll say good job. When something bad happens I'll call it out. It's not like this is going to move back over to windows to get these, but you don't need to be an asshole.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How is having access to previously xbox-exclusive games on the PC good for anyone? Seriously?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Now they just need to get Blinx 2 on there and my life will be almost complete.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Blinx. Are you fucking kidding me.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Nope. It was my flavor of weird when I was a kid. I loved the sequel, Blinx 2, which let you play as the Tom Tom Gang and customize your timesweepers/pig-men. The levels were all super cool too, like the ice caves or the Egyptian ruins. The whole "multiverse of time" thing was cool too.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is a fantastic start.

    If I can finally play Gears 2, 3, Judgment, and Skate 3 on PC, I may never turn my Xbox on again. Until GTA I guess.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure if you've seen but Gears 2 got some sort of recomp/port about a week ago. I haven't had a chance to play it too much yet but the tutorial with Carmine worked without a hitch. https://www.moddb.com/mods/gears-of-war-2-hollow

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    That is also pretty great. I know Gears 3 also has a working PC port that's been getting content not even in the actual game. I need to try and get all of that running while I wait for E-Day. Similarly, Internet Archive has a great version of the GFWL Gears 1 with added Horde mode and bot multiplayer. Runs on basically any PC too.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Fuck MS, make that backwards compatible!

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    They should have had cross play with windows from the start. Fuck Microsoft.

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Pretty interesting, love any effort in bringing older games to PC

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