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[–] 166 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Can someone, anyone, tell me where it is that you work where input speed is the bottleneck in software development?

Because I have genuinely never worked at any company where the main thing holding up development was that developers weren’t typing fast enough.

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  • [–] 75 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    When you're vibe coding, you need to narrate long prompts, including things like "And remember not to hallucinate or make any errors." All that is a lot faster to say than type.

    Clearly, you're not vibe coding, and your job will be (checks notes) automated away by someone with a #grindset.

    /s, in case that wasn't obvious.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Actually the tooling is such that you have that written in some kind of a rules file that will then more or less append the rules to the prompt so you wouldn't have to repeat it over and over.

    At least I think that's how it works, I was only half listening to the mandatory AI training.

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  • [+] 21 points 3 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    I was talking to an acquaintance and she was taking AI course.

    She was taught to "validate" LLM infos by asking the same question in a different model.

    This is an actual university course.

    I was baffled. There is no guarantee that both models aren't wrong. But speaking to people that use LLMs, this is a common strategy.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It' easy to convince management it is

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Unless they’re aware of The Mythical Man-Month

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    God how i wish anyone I worked with understood throwing bodies at every problem doesn't mean it gets fixed faster. On the the other end of problems, they don't understand a developer can't just start developing on immediately on complex application.

    God being in project orient work is a pain.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Assuming this is a real post and not satire, my best guess is that they don't think it's a bottleneck, but still believe a way to talk to the computer without disturbing others in the office is useful. Like if Tide detergent said it would save your marriage -- they don't think it really will, but the ad is humourous and likely to gain attention because of it.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago

    I cringed so hard that I now require medical attention.

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  • [–] 115 points 3 months ago* (19 children)

    Hang on. They had to ship three major updates in a single morning? How the hell is their workflow so bad that they have to- Oh yeah. Vibecoding.

    If you see anyone wearing this shit, remember that you can laugh at how stupid they look as much as you want, and their weak copium that it's a "skill issue" will be swallowed by their copium mask. So you're free to laugh until they cry.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    Hey - they can whisper entire codebases with it

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    ()[]{}:!-_@#%*/;.

    imagine trying to whisper these

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    open parentheses close parentheses open square bracket close square bracket open curly bracket close curly bracket colon exclamation point hyphen underscore at sign pound sign percent symbol asterisk forwardsl slash semicolon period

    Wow I’m so efficient!

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (6 children)
    • Pound sign: £
    • Hash: #
    • Octothorpe: Thorpe, Thorpe, Thorpe, Thorpe, Thorpe, Thorpe, Thorpe, Thorpe
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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    £ is pound sterling sign, not pound sign. # is pound sign.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not over here it isn't.

    (I'm assuming you're from over there of course)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm from neither there nor there, but given that there are two signs that can be called pound sign, it's IMO less confusing if you use "pound sterling" sign for the pound sterling, and "pound" sign for the other pound sign

    Also the word pound has lost all meaning to me now, it look weird to read or write the word pound

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago*

    On the one hand, each and every one of those has at least one pronounceable name, but on the other, I think these masks are for natural language, conversational AI prompt generation, so there'd be little to no need for any of them.

    You've got to remember that this is being marketed towards bosses and C-levels who haven't written a line of code in their lives, or have completely forgotten how, much preferring to tell people what they want and then expecting it to magically appear in front of them as soon as possible.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    And all without a single junior dev in the open office hearing their genius. Aside from the junior dev who bought the fucking thing in the vain hope they could roleplay as a more competent employee. That junior dev can hear themself going "no, fuck, delete, how do I- no, stop typing, you stupid fucking thing", which I assume counts as "genius".

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    God I hate companies using gamer slang. "Skill issue"

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  • [–] 70 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I genuinely can't distinguish between satire and reality anymore.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    also what asinine dev team manager is "optimizing for output"??? that's like the worst idea. it's like judging carpenters by "most nails used".

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    This picture must be fake… there’s no way a developer has only one external monitor.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    That's not a developer, that's a "minimalist" "digital nomad". He's 💊 AI-pilled and vibemaxxing💪. He's bringing forth multiple novel digital experiences with merely a whisper before you've even had your first piss in the morning. Every. Single. Day.

    He doesn't actually need even the one monitor - that's purely a visual aid for the benefit of people like you so you know what's going on.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We need to start aggressively bullying and mocking adults that act like this openly and publicly. I was a skinny nerdy kid that got picked on constantly in high school. And even I think pricks like this need to have their self esteem and confidence shattered

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is exactly the bullshit that is leading me to change careers

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who didn't even get to land a first job at programming yet, any advice? lol

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Follow the industry trends, or at the bare minimum be able to speak "intelligently" about them. Management just LOVES buzzwords. It sucks, but that's the reality we have to deal with.

    Focus on soft skills, not just technical skills.

    Have a process to your thinking. Like a logical proof, show your work!

    Leverage every tool you can for your job search.

    Good luck.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    If you're still in college, try to get an internship. Once you have something on your resume, it's a lot easier to get into places. Plus try to network and stuff. Getting recommended by someone is much more likely to result in an interview.

    The AI shit is really rocking the boat right now, but ultimately I don't think it's sustainable. I don't know what the future of dev work will look like or when it'll balance out, but right now, these AI agents are effectively heavily subsidized by investors. At some point, they'll need to either turn to the public (IPO) as a last resort, or actually begin to turn a profit. I think this happened with Microsoft's Copilot. "Tokenpocalypse" was the term that got thrown around. They can't undercharge for this stuff forever.

    Even if AI does end up being a significant part of work, actually knowing how to code will make you better at using it. Your skills aren't useless. You'll be better at noticing when the agents make shitty code or shitty decisions. If agentic development ends up being too costly for everyday use, you'll still be able to assist with "manual" code writing.

    AI companies over hype their products and say they're world shattering as a way of marketing. They say the idea of developers are over because they want people to invest and buy their product. Agentic coding has gotten pretty fucking impressive in the past few months, but something's gonna break at some point. The bill always comes due.

    But yeah. Internship and networking. Learn AI, but don't eschew traditional development practices entirely.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    You merely adopted being an incel. I was born in it!

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    They took away cubicles but everyone is on the phone all the time. So much noise they added a loud white noise machine. So like whats the point? I want the bane mask for calls so I feel like im cosplaying at work.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (10 children)

    voice-dampening? as in, it moisturises your breath?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    It makes your voice less audible. This is dampening as slowing or quieting

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    nope, that's a star trek-ism. limiting oscillations -> damping. making something wet -> dampening.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    The usage note pertains to usage 4, not 3

    A screenshot of Wiktionary showing the entries for dampen with highlighting on definition 4's proscribed flag and usage

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    sound is not a nonphysical thing. it's a mechanical vibration. besides, we were talking specifically about the present participle "dampening" which is far less ambiguous.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Keyboards are way more efficient than voice tho

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    For programming, yes, because the text is formatted, but not for plain English. The average person can easily speak 130 to 150 words per minute, but they certainly can't type that. If you personally can, then alright, that's cool. You're maybe more efficient with a keyboard.

    And regardless of your opinion on it (or mine) vibe-coding is plain English, so what they're saying is true for that one use case. Besides, they can use both. The keyboard is still there.

    This comment was written using speech-to-text.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Does the 130-150wpm number include thinking? I don't think I ever speak that fast even when I'm retelling material I know very well to my juniors, because even that requires thinking while talking to convey the information logically and consistently.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    When you're not thinking, and you know what you're going to say, you can talk at 130 words per minute very easily.

    When using a keyboard, you're going to pause just as much to think. The comparison is this: when you are in text entering mode (not thinking mode), are you faster talking on the microphone or the keyboard?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    What I think is interesting here is that I regularly give Claude a sentence or four that it then thinks on for 10-15 min. Like, maybe 40 words tops, generally closer to 25-30. I can type that in seconds. And then wait 10-15 min. If it took me 3x as long to type it in, it still wouldn't impact my day or output.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Wait, you wait for individual responses? You're supposed to be giving Claude 15 simultaneous tasks where you dictate one per minute, and loop around when you're done to review the first task's output. What kind of vibe coder gives only one task at a time and then jerks around for 15 minutes? You're fired!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Hey Claude, what does "int open parenthesis asterisk fun closed parenthesis open parenthesis int c comma char asterisk asterisk v closed parenthesis equal get open parenthesis closed parenthesis minus greater sign fun semicolon" means?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Oh, you think speech to text is your ally?  But you merely adopted the speech to text; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see a keyboard until I was already a man. By then, it was nothing to me but key Binding.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    It's not really 130-150 words per min though bc mostly the words we say are nonsense, "uhms" and saying the wrong thing and starting over and pausing and such.

    Not to mention, when we speak to a computer, it's not like to a person, as others have pointed out. The 130-150 wpm number comes from in context speaking where we already know what we're going to say. That isn't the case when doing things on a computer such as responding to a comment, anything requiring thinking, coding, etc.

    Also, speech-to-text systems do not immediately recognize the speech we say, adding further delay.

    So it's not actually 130-150 words a minute.

    In terms of meaningful day-to-day use, I maintain that it's far slower and less precise than a keyboard, especially if you're a proficient typer.

    And this makes sense as everyone I've ever met who likes to use speech-to-text (excluding those who MUST use it for disability reasons) are simply those who are bad at typing. Cope harder. slow-mo. This comment was written using a keyboard

    EDIT:

    so what they’re saying is true for that one use case

    This doesn't follow. Both of us are talking about inputing in english. Vibe-coding with a keyboard is also superior there

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    You do all of that with a keyboard, too! You stop and think. You erase and try again. You never actually sustain your 80 WMP peak (or whatever),

    When it comes time to knowing what they're going to say, however long that takes, the average person can speak much faster than they can type.

    You're way overthinking it, and also wrong. Read the research. If you are some super-human typer, good for you! I specifically said "average person".

    Cope harder. slow-mo.

    Please explain.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don't want to wear the gimp mask.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Okay, hear me out. Actually use it as a gimp mask, for BDSM stuff. Put on big headphones and play your own voice back into your ears full volume while someone edges you and slaps you around a bit, forcing you to moan into your own ears super loud if you can't keep your mouth shut and stop complaining, while also muffling your cries so nobody but you has to hear it.

    Anyone know the brand?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    I hope this is fake because I dont think I will be able to survive this weird world.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    what i find interesting is that this app superwhisper is just AI speech to text, mostly based on local open weights models like whisper (though also giving access to proprietary cloud-only models). they're charging a subscription for text to speech. and it's all for the sake of slopcoding faster. amazing. if you haven't seen someone use speech to text to slopcode, look up videos of people sincerely using AI to slopcode, it's incredible how the paths of software engineering diverged.

    edit: and of course the main bottleneck when having an AI do shit isn't the talking, it's the AI actually doing the stuff that by far takes the longest.

    edit again: i missed the free plan, oops. still, a speech to text subscription is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I subscribed to Superwhisper a couple of years ago when one arm wasn’t working. It allowed me to type emails and slack messages much faster than using one hand. It worked way better than the inbuilt text-to-speech in the OS. But slop code wasn’t a thing at the time and it all ran locally, it was great. Now I’m back to using my hands to type like a human.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm glad to hear you're better. I understand paying for something that works better, but I guess I'm still stuck in ye olden days where software was a one time purchase and if they really needed more money they'd release yearly major updates. And I'm not convinced that switching between a locally run whisper model and something proprietary in the cloud makes that much of a difference. Especially with the privacy concerns. Of course I could probably be convinced, but I don't want to.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    And we still can’t have offices?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You joke, but I read a LinkedIn post the other day where someone said that they had "fully switched to voice prompted AI work" and asked "are you still typing in 2026?"

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Something something that guy that buys way too much golf shit and still loses the game.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Programming seems like a uniquely awful use case for this.

    Saying "function open bracket close bracket open brace carriage return tab print open bracket quote hello quote close bracket semicolon carriage return space space space space print open bracket quote world quote close bracket semicolon carriage return close brace carriage return" seems much more cumbersome than just pressing the buttons and typing it manually.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Maybe I could code masterpieces by singing to it.

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    When playing with prompts before I realized how stupid this whole thing was (in 2023 lol), I found myself also copying and pasting a lot so.. it's probably not even going to speed things up in prompting, even ignoring the whole thinking part that we'll omit here since, well, they probably aren't.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Hey, no sorry “HELLO LIBRARY” can you fucking destroy this “PERSON” while also protecting this “ELON PERSON” who maintains “THIS SPECIFIC” pedophile’s database and also…

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Definitely not a cult though guys!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    What if you burp into it a lot, it is going to be moist in there no matter what

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