The leopards weren't supposed to eat THEIR face!

Yup. Ignorance isn't an excuse. Especially 10 years of it.

Because you're more likely to convince someone with a single emotionally-charged fact than a bulleted list.

Traitor is the bigger one for me.

He's betrayed everything this country, that office, and our people stand for.

Nah, people.dont research. None of that was known. They know only what fox news lies about. And anything opposing those views are just evil Democrats smearing him and lying because theres no proof!

That's around when I started cutting people out who couldn't see reason. Haven't seen some people for a decade. They thought it was politics, I pointed out they wouldnt leave their daughter alone with him, maybe not vote for a shitty human being rapist? Cut a lot of ties unfortunately. They thought he was going to save the world LMAO.

Found the last message I sent last person I cut from my life. Can't find one from 2016 atm.

I'm unblocking your number to send this final message.

I don't associate with Trump supporters, FULL STOP. You're free to believe what you want, I'm free to walk away. I set this boundary in 2018 and began enforcing it in 2021 after the Jan 6th Insurrection. I want absolutely nothing to do with this administration.

We started talking about car repair because you seemed like a normal, everyday guy. Learning that you're a proud Trump supporter sucks because I did enjoy helping and hanging out with you. But your views are the completely opposite of mine if you think America is being "saved" by Trump. Your idea of "saving" is very strange.

Trump is a 34x convicted felon (for fraud no less), convicted rapist, accused by dozens of women of sexual assault, who raped his previous wife, hung out with pedophile Epstein (why aren't the Epstein files released? What is Bondi hiding?) regularly on the Lolita Express, talks about wanting to fuck his daughter, selling Trump meme coins, peddling products out of the Oval Office, Tesla commercials on the White House lawn, selling "gold card" citizenships for $50k (you can come to America as an immigrant, as long as you have/bring money), dodged the draft yet talks trash about armed services and veterans, defends the nazi hate group the proud boys, calls voters "stupid", threatening to take away citizenships of anyone he doesn't like or criticizes the government (literally what the nazis did, revoke the citizenship of Germans who opposed them)… I could go on, but it's wasted energy.

Logic and reasoning didn't get you into your current beliefs, login and reason won't get you out.

Every accusation by a republican is a confession.

People who look up to Trump or think their ideals are the same, are NOT people I want to be around. This isn't a political stance, we can debate all day on whether students should get free food at school, or that justice doesn’t exist in the eyes of the law, only punishment, etc. This is a moral issue. I will not be part of this fascist regime that American has become with all these concentration camps and deportations for people coming here for a better life, fighting with our neighbors over tariffs. Everyday it's a new stack of lies and distractions from the previous day, inundated with bullshit so you can't even respond before 27 new issues are hitting headlines.

I will not provide links, if you want to check it, you can google. Unless you discover it on your own, you won't check my links so it's a waste of my time. I've been through this, you aren't the first person to be removed from my life over Trump support and won't be the last.

This is a line I draw. Maybe one day you'll see that this is a hate cult, it's all part of the grift to help the millionaire an billionaire class, but I won't be around to care.

"Hell no," is a weird response. Just because you should have done something in the past doesn't mean you can't start now. It should be normalized every year.

Even worse, they voted for him THREE TIMES. Only two of those got him into office though.

I agree, but if you voted for him the last election it becomes harder for me. The first one, ya you wanted to stick it to status quo. I get it, not support it. Hillary did suck. The second time it is hard but at least Biden one. But after all the shit, lies, rape, epstein, COVID, fraud, impeachments, obvious corruption....and still support him. That's tough. It is like a Nazi in 1946. Redemption at that point will be hard earned only.

We should allow space for growth and reconciliation

Growth. Something anyone that's still a Trump supporter, or in my opinion still were during the 2024 election, are incapable of. He was already a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist during the 2024 election. Anyone that voted for him in that election is a trashcan garbage piece of trash.

Reconciliation. Something anyone still supporting him is in no way interested in.

You can't reach people that don't want to be reached. And at this point they don't deserve the effort.

Yeah, especially on my husband's side, we've had to cut contact with some extended family. I'm trans, and we're not even out about my past to these family members on his side of the family. I met my husband after transition. They're Southern Baptist deep south folk, and while they're quite friendly when we meet them, they also don't know about my trans status.

My natural inclination is to not rock the boat in such matters. I didn't suggest we cut off contact; I didn't want to be responsible for cutting my husband off from his extended family. I was willing to overlook it to maintain the peace, especially as we see them very infrequently.

But then my husband told me his perspective, and it chilled me to my bones. There was no question on his part. When discussing it, he simply said:

"They voted to kill my wife."

Biden should have never run in the first place, sticking to his word to only take on one term. Proper DNC primary should have occurred, and the Dems would have gotten the strongest possible candidate regardless of who it ended up being.

Disagree with you on one point though: The “they’re weird” line of attack worked, it undercut anything that the Trump/Vance team could say or do. The problem was that line of attack was dropped for being too vulgar/uncouth - their political advisors instead pushed for a unity-style centrist campaign message, hence bringing on Liz Cheney of all people.

A lot of people don't like cops. And I don't believe her time as AG was spotless enough to pin up against a man who had already (incomprehensibly) overcome the fact that he was found liable for sexual assault by his first term.

The "weird" thing was something that came up because of Walz genuine reaction about some fuckwit being weird.

And it was fucking working.

Then the Republicans got all whiney and saying the Democrats were being mean mud slingers for calling them weird when they were acting weird. And the campaign team decided that they were going to ease off one of the few levers that was actually working and exposing the lies and propaganda for what it was.

That said, your point on leveraging Harris's strengths and past would have been great too.

That's really not a bad idea

In my personal experience I find women are more willing to do this than straight men. Just putting that out there, and I wonder if anyone else feels the same

Don't pretend. Stop trying to not rock the boat. The kindest thing you can do for your loved ones is to help them find their way out of the darkness, you can't do that if you won't acknowledge reality, to their face.

dude they are bad people, think of the wives of the guards at Auswitz, looking after hearth and home, That's your sister.

They are bad people tho 🤷🏻

Dont want to be reminded that they voted for trump twice.

3 times probably, and looking forward to the 4th one already.

Their actions aren't your fault, don't beat yourself up about it.

Hey friend, you're not alone in that pain. But please don't let the hurt and anger blind you. We don't talk about weasels like that. Comparing them to Trump like that is unreasonably cruel to weasels.

My family aren’t bad people

They are if they still support him. Can't ride the fence on this one. It's gone too far. Ignorant people can also be bad people.

pa suburbs are essentially the south don't feel bad we're close enough to nyc should've known better (at least philly, pittsburg is pretty much ohio)

Who do your homies vote for then?

2026?

For me it's 2024. During the 2024 election he was already a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one massively failed presidency under his belt.

I thought his supporters were dumb as rocks before that, but from that point on I considered them traitors to the United States of America and enemies to everything it stands for.

IMHO people who voted for him in 2016 might have just been incredibly stupid.

He hadn't been convicted in 2016. The only people who knew he was a rapist then were him, his victims, and his friends.