A Mastodon post of someone complaining about the inaccessibility of research papers

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[–] 111 points 4 months ago (20 children)

My mate Anna has a great archive of papers. Look her up some time!

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    are the papers from annas archive redundant with scihub, or are they from a different source?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Papers in Anna's archive are mostly from sci-hub. There's something not available on sci-hub, but not much.

    Real problem is that sci-hub was the organization doing the archival on large scale and it is now dead.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Not exactly dead, but on a stale due to a legal dispute. However, they have started a new project that fits a legal grey-area called sci-net where people can ask for or help others get access to papers by getting them from their institutional login and sharing on the platform. Not as practical as sci-hub, but better than nothing and less prone to be taken down

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  • [+] -43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

    I'm no scientist but I imagine if you want to cite someone, you need to access their research legally

    Holy fuck you people are insufferable. 20 down and flooding my inbox for that? What the fuck lmao

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Not really, you need to know (enough of) the content of what you're citing to make sure that the citation makes sense. The actual info you need to write down for the citation is easily available. How you accessed it is irrelevant.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Ooh, this is actually a more controversial take among academics than you can imagine!

    Around week 3 of my course I ask the question "what percentage cut do academics get for published articles". They are always appalled to learn it is 0% (we get nothing, we are literally paid in exposure).

    Below are some other issues with the journal industry as a whole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serials_crisis?wprov=sfla1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_journal_publishing_reform?wprov=sfla1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#Criticism_and_controversies%3Fwprov=sfla1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cost_of_Knowledge?wprov=sfla1

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Happens often to me. I know nobody in research who would care about it. Most people will likely congratulate you for not paying for access. Nobody likes the way journals do business.

    Fuck you Elsevier.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    I read the source of my citations, but nowhere am I required to cite the citations of my source. If you don't wanna "try" to access my resources... well, that sounds like a "you thing". Good luck, cause my paper remains

    Paywalling knowledge is the same as bypassing it

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    20 down

    Have another one! Knowledge (and doing research) should be free and not only for people who can pay for it. Look up how ridiculously expensive and complicated it is to access those publications.

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  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    The fact that public funds go to research only for everything that those funds becoming privatized is a fucking crime.

    No grant should be given to any research if the results aren't published on an open journal.

    No grant should be given if any marketable discovery becomes privatized

    I am still fucking pissed that most countries used public funds to develop a covid vaccine then gifted them to private for profit corporation. Same for basically every medical development.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Many countries' funding agencies require open access publications for work based on their funding. However, open access fees are insanely high in some journals (e.g. around $12k for the higher impact factor Nature journals)...

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    that's also bullshit, I reviewed papers for publication. it's free labour, hosting a pdf is nearly free.

    there's no justification.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    We need nationally funded journals that are free for all people to read and mandate publication through them.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I like the general direction of that idea. But honestly, not sure if this should be national with all the political pressure and censorship that could come from that. With how international scientific research is, perhaps the UN or a newly formed international organisation could oversee such journals.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I’ve heard of a lot of scientists using the dark web just to access research articles “illegally” lol

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    If you mean Sci-hub, then yeah that's completely normal. I've used Sci-hub to access my own article once when I had lost access to the published version.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'd rather use sci-hub than institutional access when the article is available. Fuck publishers.

    Really hope someone comes up, recognizes how much public research money is wasted on this bullshit and sets up a public publisher directly funded by research funds which allows people to publish and read freely.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's also insanely efficient to post the link in the search and immediately have the paper.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Yes, much better than the alternative system. Look, I found a cool article about a topic. Let's open it on the publisher website. Oh I need access for this, let's login. After login I still have no access and get redirected to institutional login. Get back to publisher, now I have institutional credentials, but need to login again. Finally done!

    Your institution does not have access to this paper.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    "the dark web" is police fascist fearmongering for tech that lets people access the internet from censored countries

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The dark web is a specific section of the *deep web that can be accessed only using specific software configurations or authorizations

    The name make sense because it's in fact hidden, dark and makes quite a bit of sense, the problem is that dark things do make people quite a bit scared and that was then weaponized

    And i say that because i don't want to go against whatever you said but to expand on the (in my opinion, too) simplistic view you shared

    *the deep web is that huge chunk of the internet that is not indexed by any search engine

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    there are onion search engines and directories, and "the dark web" refers to ANY onion site

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Do your part and publish only on journals listed on doaj

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Going open access is great, and that's what I do, but it has to be said a lot of grants do NOT pay for open access publications, and diamond open access (free for authors and readers) is quite rare and you can wait eternity to get published.

    So, it has to be paid straight out of personal finances.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I know people who get 12,000€ for a year long research project which includes employing other part time people. I doubt they can pay for open access.

    However, the submitted version is yours to do whatever you want; please host it on your website or wherever it may be simple for you.

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    Then upload paper to SciHub and the Internet Archive

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I see capitalism is going as well for the scientific community as it is for the rest of us.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    closed access publications are still the majority, but at least in my field there is practically always a preprint available and the tendency to migrate to open access journals is there. i hope it will stay

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    Bro but a lot of the big name guys made up a little citation here and a little citation there. Just publish on the lancet or nature. They won't know any better for decades. Maybe by the time people find out you've already pined for the fjords.

    Best case scenario, in 1.5 billion years it won't matter anyway. Use AI and clone some images, little science bro. It's all just vibes.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Use reader mode if your browser or app has that. It works in Voyager on iOS.

    Reader mode strips JavaScript out so it works for most articles.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is talking about scientific papers. Stripping JavaScript does not work, you need authenticated and paid access to read those.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, I realized that after I posted but I left it up in case it helped someone read other paywalls articles.

    Sometimes I forget where I am when I’m browsing my home feed.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    ublock origin dropper click anything that bothers you

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