Ya that's how that works. Don't talk shit about my homophobic, racist, pedophile billionaire loving shit hole! It's my God dammed shit hole!
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This thread is like Monty Python's "Life of Brian". Half the people here are the People’s Front of Judea and the other half are the Judean People’s Front.
Or better yet, we're like the Maya Pei Brigade arc from the first few episodes of season two of Star Wars Andor.
Trump, Stephen Miller, Meloni, Orban, Farage, Weidel, Le Pen and the rest love watching us fight each other. It's one of their most effective tactics.
So many Europeans in here clearly taking the rage bait yet acting like they're still the high ground is so funny lol
It's cope, at least in part, to point out that the open advance of fascism in the US is several years ahead of the rest of the Western world, and that this was possible under an absolute dumbfuck embarrassment like Trump. And I get why people need to cope right now.
It's also not wrong to point out that this was enabled by the US exceptionalist mindset and particular flavor of nationalism that we've all been exposed to.
This reads as a diss against all people in the US, but it's not. I strongly empathize with and am in solidarity with those suffering under it.
If you really want to piss off Europeans all you gotta do is make the claim that the EU is subsurvient to US foreign policy demands which means they'll throw away any of their beneficial policies or laws to retain good standing in the US hegemony, no matter how absurd or insane US leadership is.
They didn't give away Greenland when the Donnie asked. That's a grudgin'
That's the funny thing, things are finally changing in that regard! Anti US-led policies and projects to disconnect ourselves from the nasty fingers that have led us astray for far too long :)
Is that the gold you stole from the natives?
Sorry. Not all of us were able to get our country’s gold from the nazis.
I’ll have you know most of us got our gold long before the nazis came to power.
We had colonies to exploit.
The Nazis plundered Europe to get that gold. Not sure where you're getting the idea that the Nazis were a European enrichment scheme, other than maybe for Switzerland.
No. They earned it by mining land stolen from natives.
No. They earned it by forcing slaves to mine the land stolen from their Indigenous people.
I love when Europeans talk about American slavery and colonialism like its not one of Europe's favorite pastimes too.
Oh it is. Im Canadian and our history is bad too. I just like making fun of Americans.
I get it, it's easy to make fun of us. i just hate holier than thou european chodes who take things seriously.
EU is just on a slower path to fascism.
Nah, tbh I was shitting my pants a year ago but most far-right parties have plateaued or reversed in the polls recently. I think we just might have too few morons to turn far-right. Juuuuuust might.
America bravely jumped in front of the bus for you, you are welcome.
The entire political spectrum has moved considerably right, with "Fortress Europe" talk and blatant admissions that human rights aren't something we should care about.
There is no hard divide between conservatives and the far right.
Slower path? They are waiting to reboot their original fascism.
Well yes, because of US and russian interference.
Innocent Europeans would NEVER do a fascism without a wicked Other forcing them to do it!
Didn't y'all invent it?
Yea we did
I swear to god the US is simply incapable of original ideas. Fascism? Stole it from us. Nuclear bombs? European scientists. Absolutely destroying native populations? Uhm, hello? WE literally did that. Like... that's why you even exist today. You're WELCOME /sarcasm
Well, US interference is so blatant and obnoxious that is actually counterproductive. Trump getting elected stopped a few far right movements, and others lost momentum.
Paying 2000 people in St petersburg to shit post non stop about immigration, works. Sending vance to deliver a speech, doesn't.
I would never clap back a Europeans criticizing the USA. It would be impolite, and they're usually right anyway. I'd love to move to the EU someday too; but it won't happen because the only thing they hate more than USians are brown Muslims 😔.
only thing they hate more than USians are brown Muslims 😔.
You forgot Romani people
God dude looking at comment threads of people in Europe talking about the Romani is genuinely sickening.
Dude Romanians hate them so much it breaks my brain... I hate it here
I'm not sure about that. Each time there's conflict between Romani gangs and Muslim gangs the fascists always cheer for the Romani.
The fascist party of my country actually has some good support among the Romani communities.
Got to honor my South and Central American homies 🫡
That's nice and all, but you'll get the same look as someone saying "Latinx" IRL
Our Epstein class let in a ton of brown Muslims, it didn't went well for the local population.
To be fair, right now all EU is not high on any kind of immigration, because of above-mentioned + housing crisis + working condition going down.
The second you speak the local language though, that perception changes 180.
Our Epstein class let in a ton of brown Muslims, it didn't went well for the local population.
What you meant to say, is that we bombed the shit out of their homes and then started screeching about the people seeking asylum?
To be fair, right now all EU is not high on any kind of immigration, because of above-mentioned + housing crisis + working condition going down.
Also we kinda let them drown on Mediterranean sea, and treated the ones coming in like shit, that helped a bit
The second you speak the local language though, that perception changes 180.
Bullshit, then starts the complaining how they speak so badly and don't understand what you're saying etc. For some reason many people take it as a personal insult that someone speaks their language badly, rather than as a compliment that the person has gone through the efforts to learn it
Yes. It's all your fault and mine. We are both the Epstein class and we are directly responsible for both manufacturing the wars and invasions, the refugee crisis (which definitely did not contribute to worsening the power of working class across Europe with influx of workers who did not join the unions and had to accept to work for less to survive), etc. etc. It's definitely our fault, and thus EU fault.
I also don't really remember EU bombing Africa or Middle East, only USA & UK, who are famously not part of the EU, but sure.
Bullshit, then starts the complaining how they speak so badly and don’t understand what you’re saying etc.
I do not presume to know about the shithole you're living in, but in Poland the moment a foreigner tries to speak Polish (yes, even the hated "brown Muslims") this doesn't happen. Heck, there's even a chain of Vietnamese restaurants that is marketing itself making jokes about expecting racism and not receiving it.
rather than as a compliment that the person has gone through the efforts to learn it
Yeah, no. The effort is expected. You compliment on exceeding expectations, not for meeting the bare minimum.
Please keep your USian death culture to yourself. Get help.
You literally believe your equivalent of the shit Fox News tells you, go to hell with your lame ass.
Here's some UK data on the subject. The US data looks similar.
UK is not in EU, USian.
And of course, one country having X magically makes it true everywhere in the world. Classic definition of cultural imperialism.
If you - for some fucking reason - want to compare crimes rate (why did you even went there?) - then in Germany almost half of violent crimes and sex crimes are committed by the foreign-born, with Africans and Arabs making most of the offenders - at least according to their statistics: https://moenchengladbach.polizei.nrw/sites/default/files/2025-03/pks-2024_bericht-zur-pk.pdf
France: https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/actualites/communiques-de-presse/insecurite-et-delinquance-en-2024-premiere-photographie-de-delinquance-enregistree (~40% thefts are committed by the foreign-born. But hey, at least they are not overrepresented in violent crimes!)
Sweden: Almost 1/3 of violent crimes: https://bra.se/download/18.45e4b8e192705389a34c2b/1729515966490/2021_9_Registered_offending_among_persons.pdf (but Sweds don't say so directly, they just give proportion, so then you have to go and multiply it by the amount of foreign-born individuals to get the rate of offenders.
This is why Americans laugh at European racists. "But the statistics shhhooowwww 🤓🤓🤓"
I mean, foreign born does include our eastern European neighbours :)
It does, and also includes your western european neighbors too :) The country of origin is also visible in (some of) the stats, interestingly Ukrainians in Germany crime stats are underrepresented 3 times compared to the baseline, while (IIRC) Somali at 8 times the baseline.
If it makes you feel any better, I want you back. Polanski of UK Greens wants out of NATO and into an EU-exclusive military alliance
I want the US to go to rehab and then move back in with us. I'll even make your favorite dish: string cheese
Same. They need to do something about the educational system and the propaganda machines being run by billionaires when/if they get a sane government again. Otherwise this shit will just happen again
As an American, that's basically what I want. I want us to change, reform, and learn to live as a valued member in a community of nations.

Europeans should be self aware enough to recognize that the most devastating criticism of Trump are direct comparisons to historic European tyrants. And forget about Hitler or Mussolini. Donald Trump at his worst can't even measure up to Leopold II.
That is an insane argument. You are saying anybody whose country went through a genocidal dictator can't criticize Trump because he's not as bad yet? WTF?
Never mind that in those examples that they gave, none of them were elected like Trump was:
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Hitler lost the election for president; but was later appointed as chancellor by the guy that won after political pressure;
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Mussolini was appointed by the king after threats of paramilitary force;
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Leopold II was a hereditary monarch
Sorry US bros. I like you and I love you depending on the days. But just like the French will never live down the white flag meme, you will never live down that you elected a pedophile fascist TWICE.
I mean, I didn't elect him. The other stupid people did.
The problem with that argument, especially on Lemmy, is that... Well actually basically none of us voted for him, thus we didn't elect him, he was just elected by the other people
I would give them a pass to shit on the people here who loudly and proudly scream that they did not vote at all. Depending on the communities that you focus on, you may get the impression that every Amercan on lemmy did not vote, and just want to piss and cry that they did not get the candidate (or communist revolution) that they preferred. Am American and voted for Kamala, not because I actively wanted her, but because you have to be pretty far gone to not be able to see she would have been better on EVERY front, INCULDING PALESTINE!
Not that they shouldn't criticize
but the shear pretentiousness to come in and pretend it could never happen in their countries, when it already had.
As a Brit I fucking hate the royal family and their soft power and their wealth, but I'd argue that Trump has more of both and is heading for more than a royal has had in a Western country in living memory.
Very slight difference to note. Leopold II was alive 150 years ago. Trump is alive today.
Also, Leopold II wasn't elected once. Let alone twice
Ah yes. A whataboutism will make everything right. Maybe we should have sent some smarter guys back in 1492
My preferred comparison is to Napoleon III. It's not a perfect match, but provides a lot of comparisons: the attack on freedoms, the incompetent political appointees, the unwise foreign wars, the puffed-up overconfidence and the sheer mediocrity...
Does that mean if we all stop legit criticisms, y'all stop feeling irrationally inferior and become normal?
This comment is so stupid lol wtf
Most criticism is stupid petty bullshit like "ur cheese bad hurr durr" or just spamming the word cheeseburger



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