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[–] 240 points 4 months ago*
[–] 59 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The performance comments were a dead giveaway.

Nobody's complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.

It may not run much of anything until you sort out your drivers properly, but it will do everything incorrectly LIGHTNING fast, compared to Windows.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Nobody’s complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.

    I mean, really depends on the device. I've got a machine running Mint and it kinda chugs along. But it's... I want to say at least 15 years old? Probably due for a RAM swap at the very least. Takes about five minutes to fully boot and if I run more than a few apps it drags.

    At some point, there's only so much an OS can do for you.

    The bit about incompatible drivers and the mess of third-party installs necessary to get it in a comfortable state also rang true. Plus all the minutea of configuration, so you're not typing in your password every time you sneeze. Windows does tend to come fully loaded out of the box, even if you're using a bunch of their mediocre native apps. And the desktop instance tends to be pre-configured to satisfy your average desktop user.

    Of course, Apple takes all of this to the next level. Really straight jacking everything you can do so that it's a unform experience from device to device. And I hate that shit, too, even if my machine boots fast straight out of the box.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I thought Debian was as sluggish as Windows until I was forced to use the LXQt desktop environment instead of the default GNOME on an old Compaq laptop since that's all it could handle. Turns out, GNOME looks nice but it kept my old laptop's mid-2000s i386 CPU churning at 50% 24/7. LXQt? Barely a blip. Sure, it couldn't run Firefox quickly, but at least its fan was silent when idling or when I was simply using the laptop as a dumb SSH client into a much more powerful remote server.

    I now use LXQt on my main workstation because I don't need fancy tilΓ­ng windows or Wayland.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago

    Not true. They complain because of no hardware decoding, defaults lacking GPU acceleration, they complain about KDEs file manager, Gimp, Libre Office, etc. If you had problems with Windows, maybe consider 'skill issue'.

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  • [–] 99 points 4 months ago (34 children)

    The most obvious bait to be was 1 hour install time. Windows 11 took 2 hours to install, CachyOS took like 5 minutes. I imagine Arch is similar, there is simply no way. Lol

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  • [–] [S] 140 points 4 months ago (19 children)
  • [–] 56 points 4 months ago* (17 children)

    Updating. Do not turn of computer.

    100% complete


    Also: "Update and shut down"

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Did you say "update and shutdown while also rebooting?"

    Coming back to my PC and it being on when I expect it off, along with the notification that I hadn't used notifications in a while, is what pushed me over the edge to running linux for everything.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Solidworks/PDM at work. πŸ™„

    No it won't be changing until Win11 actually breaks or dassault scraps PDM(actually as much or more of a trashfire as windows). I'll just find a new career eventually.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    It took me a bit to figure out, but winapps might work for you. A couple of applications I use at work require me to have a windows VM, which is still way less of a headache than straight windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks for looking out but sadly it's a company owned laptop administered by IT.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    On my work laptop I boot to Aurora Linux from an USBC caddy with an M2 SSD inside. The laptop's internal drive is still factory fresh.

    Ask your IT guy, he might be cool with that. The laptop itself is unchanged. Windows OEM license untouched.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I guess i haven't thought much about live booting. I guess that could be nice for travel. Bring one fewer devices.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Technically, it's not live booting. It's normally installed, just on an external drive. The OS doesn't feel the difference. You just chose to boot to it from the BIOS. I set it to always boot to Linux by default and Windows as a fallback.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    This right here is exclusively why I had a scheduled event on my windows system, where if the computer was still on at 4 in the morning, it would turn itself off.

    I never had this issue prior to Windows 10, but update and shutdown felt like an update and maybe shut down because there was a good 20 or 30% chance that when it rebooted to apply the changes, it didn't turn itself back off again.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I must have had rotten luck because whenever I updated Windows, it would never shut down for me. Eventually, I just stopped using 'update and shut down'.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Yeah, I had more issues with Windows deciding to shut down without updating than having it not shut down after updating.

    Like that would drive me crazy to have checked for updates, have it say your updates are ready to install, press the reboot now button, and it decides that for whatever reason it didn't want to install the pending updates.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's apparently fixed now. I have to use windows for work and they finally fixed that stupid issue in one of the last couple of updates. It's still extremely painful to use though.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I remember installing Arch on an ancient MacBook I've got. Set the installer going then put it to one side knowing it was going to take a while.

    It took about 7 minutes.

    Of course, I then spent two hours trying to get the fucking Broadcom drivers to work, but that's by the by.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Sounds like me with my eee-PC going through a good chunk of troubleshooting just to find out the reason why Wi-Fi drivers aren't working is because it's a 32-bit system and the arch project as a whole decommissioned 32-bit.

    They have a dedicated 32-bit system branch, but still wifi driver support on it sucks.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I recently figured out that Windows installs can go way faster if you have a slightly better USB stick. I bought an Intenso High Speed Line 64 GB for 10.90€ and it cut down the time by half or even two thirds I would say.

    Of course I try to avoid installing Windows in the first place, but I'm not just working on my own machines.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    No offense, but what are you installing it on? One of the things I oversee at my job is imaging. Installing fresh windows on any of our hardware is between 7 and 15 minutes total. Since windows 10 I also haven't seen any need for additional drivers either unless you have something uncommon or want to replace one. Not trying to defend Windows, I just can't understand how everyone always has the worst problems imaginable with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    In the case I'm referencing, I was installing Windows 11 for a five year old gaming computer using the Windows 10 upgrade software, no USB or anything like that.

    Technically I was going to use a custom USB made with Rufus to remove copilot, but by the time I got there they had already started the upgrade process. It really did take two hours, including the 15 minutes before I got there.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Admitting that works, then you've only got windows. You still have to install all the tools and productivity software. On any distribution, all that stuff gets installed as a matter of fact, and you're basically done after 20 minutes or so.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    The vast majority of computer users with those kinds of issues are

    1. probably using windows home
    2. On a big box store computer with a platter drive
    3. an i3 cpu
    4. and 8gb of ram

    windows 10 couldn't reliably run it's own bundled software (Mail), by itself, with nothing else open, without that one app going "not responding" every few minutes on a computer with those specs.

    Last time i checked, Walmart, best buy, costco, etc were still selling those specs with win11 which is notably bulkier and slower than 10, especially without an ssd, so things have only gotten worse for the average non-power-user.

    That's a perfectly servicible spec for basic operations on a mint install, you could probably even watch netflix or youtube on it with linux, but i wouldn't want to run windows newer than xp on it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It doesn't help that big box retail stores are scam artists.

    That was one of the things I hated about Walmart was they would sell these super cheap systems that I kid you not would crash on the demo software.

    Like we had an HP flip-style laptop that they sold for $130 a few years back. And it was so bad that we intentionally ran it under a default account instead of a demo account. Because if we installed the demo software on it, Windows would run out of space and blue screen about time windows tried to update it.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Windows 11 took me 7 hours over 3 different days. Had to start and stop multiple times, had to retry multiple times, had to post support requests and wait, and to dive into bios because default settings that worked fine with Linux were making windows kill itself.

    Oh yeah, my first try was downloading a Windows ISO and using KDE writer to put it on a USB, BIG mistake because we all know that windows sabotages their ISOs so that you can only burn them with a windows burner program.

    Even when it finally worked, it still took a goddamn 2 hours and so many ads, so many "please also buy this!"

    Once it was done I had setup windows with steam for my step son and then he didn't use the machine anyway

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Arch install time is mostly user dependent Id say

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Lots of options and you'll need to spend some time RTFM. But if you already know how you want to partition your disks, then the basic installation (with a network controller!) takes about two minutes.

    Then you can restart into the cli, and the real questions - what else am I going to install? - can begin.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    They added a feature to archinstall that times your install and tells you how much it took. My record is 3 minutes, and it wasn't even on a super powerful gaming computer or anything (it was a lenovo ideapad 5 laptop)

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    #2 gave it away because you'd have to royally screw something up in Arch to get KDE to lag like that lol.

    It might be minimalist but it's not unperformant out of box.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    The only time i had issues with KDE when i was using a PC with 384 MB RAM (plasma 4)

    I wouldnt blame that on kde

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And KDE Plasma isn't even one of the lightweight desktop environments. It's honestly impressive how sluggish Microsoft made Windows feel.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    It still had a pretty low requirement for ram... like 500Mb or so. I solved it switching, first to xfce4, which i loved and later on with i3wm whoch i believe asks like <4Mb. I may be wrong

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's crazy. Nowadays I mainly use sway (tiling wm requiring loads of configuration, definitely not for everyone), which I thought was lightweight as well. But I just checked and it's using a whole 500MB, wonder what it needs that for.

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Did none of the commenters read the sixth point?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    That's why negative news sells so well.

    You just have to have a good rage bait title and can write literally anything under it and the discussion will be about fantasies manifested in peoples heads based on the title.

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    Man that subreddit is a trip. Really funny to actively hate FOSS on ideological grounds because you just love corporations and markets so much.

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 4 months ago (24 children)

    There’s one here on Lemmy too. I got banned this morning for sharing this post lol.

    Here’s a post from it defending Telemetry of all things.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah I was just about to edit my comment to mention that. Like bro why are you here it's built on the same ethos you hate in linux.

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  • [+] -12 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Then why do people pretend that being 'downvoted to hell' means anything here? Why would they point and say 'echo chamber' hypocritically?

    The truth is that Reddit is shady AF with their shadow bans, control of information, inconsistent rule following, etc. I'm actually trying to get more users here.

    I tried on Gab. -What happens when I correct someone on Gab about Linux? -They upvote and thank me for it! A community there for "Linux sucks" served no purpose.

    edit: I'm also against religion (worse cult) and didn't want to support the owner's evangelism. -But the site is ran pretty decent, and it's not bad when curated (another shady thing about Reddit is the limitation on blocking users).

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I've seen a few of your posts on Linuxsucks@lemmy.world. I can appreciate a minority view and you don't strike me as hostile with other users, but many of the points you made frankly make little sense to me. Some even stike me as deranged or at least misinformed. I hope you are doing this out of passion or get some other form of genuine joy out of it. I'd hate for Linux to make you anyone feel miserable.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Please please please don't brigade/harass that community!

    I love it! It's like watching flat earthers. I NEED this popcorn.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not quite sure it's a "community" as such - it looks like just one guy having a bit of a nervous breakdown on his own.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's been going on for a year or two now. Is it still considered a breakdown if it shows no signs of slowing?

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  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    You got banned for breaking the rules. Integrity isn't common among evangelists.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There he is! Evangelism, sure. Idk man you got some weird shit going on, but you do you. πŸ‘

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  • [+] -15 points 4 months ago

    If you point out any where I'm wrong, I will correct it. So far, none of the LiGNUxers are. AFAICS they work for Microsoft. It's like when I was into conspiracy theories and wondered why Alex Jones wasn't easily recognized for the controlled opposition, he is.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)
  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Imagine correcting me on anything. Everyone criticizing the community has the opportunity and NEVER does. Maybe because I'm right and not deceiving people and turning them into hardened Microsoft fans.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Everyone criticizing the community has the opportunity

    That's a lie. The community and every post on it was locked for several months.

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  • [+] -14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If you continue wasting your opportunity here, I'll just block you here too. I'm not into wasting time.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I’ll just block you here too.

    Oh no, don't threaten him with a good time.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Nah, I don't want that. He is actually hilarious... but in the same way as a drunk methhead redneck who keeps slipping on shit while trying to wrestle a pig. A cheap laugh at an obviously futile crusade against an imaginary enemy, but also a little pathetic and tragic; a terminally online Don Quixote.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Really funny to actively hate FOSS on ideological grounds because you just love corporations and markets so much.

    Yeah, especially when there are so many legitimate ideological grounds you could use to hate on FOSS, like: https://cosocial.ca/@mhoye/116851056980506739

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    It's precisely the reason why many other licenses exists, and that are used for those who want to offer OSS as a service. It is still open, but the service is sold as a guarantee.

    But never mind that. Because when you look at stuff like Microslop, Apple, and pretty much any other commercial proprietary software developer. They do so the same way. Games are not sold, they are licensed, with no guarantees of functionality either, just to put one example. It's a mar of software as an industry, not exclusive to FOSS and definitely not created by the ideological underpinnings of FOSS.

    Like, MS offers guarantees of quality and offer liability on their ToS for corporate contracts, but not for the version people can acquire for their home PC. Even then, the liabilities are very limited and cautiously defined. Essentially, unless MS is doing IT directly for your company, you are on your fucking own. And then, support channels for corporate service are very limited on what they do and do not offer. The average Joe buying a Mac or any other PC with Windows essentially get the same β€œsoftware is provided 'as is' and we don't care if it doesn't work." It's not associated to FOSS exclusively.

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  • [+] -21 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    "love corporations"

    How about I despise communism and how it only works when workers are forced to work at gunpoint. Or, I haven't seen any legit gripes against Microsoft.

    Politically, I'm centrist, because both pure extremes fail. -China isn't 100% communist.

    Linux takes the position of 'competition' for Windows while being an eternal loser. They squash other great projects by taking their ideas and making them work with then objectively shitty (for desktop) kernel.

    Linux is a 'best case scenario' for Windows. (Yeah, you're actually helping Microsoft by being an evangelist).

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Communism literally never had a chance to evolve as a system because USA systematically fucked it over and fought it at every step, in the process committing horrific crimes against humanity along the way. Would you like some historical examples of what capitalism has done to humanity and democracy worldwide for centuries or are you just more of a "see the thing with communism is... It just doesn't work!" kind of guy?

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  • [+] -18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Please read what I wrote again. I'm not about arguing with someone who glazes.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I rarely ever feel the need to comment, but going down the rabbit hole of reading your comments, posts, and history of the /c/ you moderate, I must say, you are either one of the most dedicated trolls on the internet or one of the most mentally ill person on the internet.

    The level of vitriol you spew in your absolutely deranged, completely misinformed, straight up false posts is astonishing, like if I didn't think you were mentally ill, I could have suggested that you should teach a rage baiting class, but for now, I suggest you seek help for your mental health. From a licensed professional, not the Windows trouble shooting tool.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm sceptical this is genuine... it sounds like cope to me, but it's interesting... Anyway, I appreciate my experience isn't universal. So what Linux alternatives do you mean, like BSD and stuff?

    I try to keep an open mind about people preferring the Microsoft stack, but from the first time I used a terminal on Linux I was sold. I could never go back.

    I still do support for people who use Windows PCs, so I've got to see how it's changed over the years. Personally I don't know how anyone puts up with it.

    It seems like Windows keeps getting worse as Linux keeps getting better... like... do you enjoy using Windows 11? Does it feel good to you?

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  • [+] -9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    11 is fine. I don't miss XP, 7,or 10 at all. 11 is an upgrade.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Now it's pretty obvious that you're either a true madman or trolling so hard you forgot you're doing it in the first place.

    Win 11 is objectively so much worse than literally any alternative, and I'm saying that while running it myself for ..reasons.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Man even I miss XP. But yeah I guess anything is better than 10 lol.

    Went to an old school LAN party recently where one of the machines was running XP (and a CRT 🀀) and I forgot what a tight shell that was. Played Quake 2, Star Craft, Total Annihilation β€” no problems.

    I still prefer the a la carte approach of linux, but I have a much higher tolerance for tinkering than my windows buds. I love having my fingers in every part of the machine.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like he's gonna get banned for posting this on that subreddit lmao

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    He 100% going to be banned, I was banned with doing nothing wrong there. The mods there are bit crazy

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    There is exactly one(1) guy posting on that sub, and he's here on .world too.

    Also, don't miss out on his hits such as "Linux empowers criminals"(especially the part where he captions a Stallman photo with "Oy vey!") and "Kernel Anti-Cheats are a necessary evil". Dude's either a fed or a chud.

    EDIT: By his own admission:

    Critical of the Abrahamic dick skinning death cult, posting memes regarding that on Gab

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago

    They had us in the first 83%.

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