Well that's really a big ol' WTF there and another fuck you BS AI.

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[–] 41 points 4 months ago (23 children)

TL;DW?

Gamers Nexus is great but I don't always have an hour+ for their videos 😐

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Valve is shipping the steam machine with a single stick of 16gb of RAM, what they were able to procure. This hampers performance. Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously, despite gn also saying this is what valve was able to get all they could ship more machines.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    There's an interview with two Valve employees (maybe by Tested? I forget) where they were very clear that this is what RAM they were able to purchase. Otherwise they would simply have to produce far fewer Steam Machines overall. Not very good choices to have when releasing a product...

    EDIT: Nope I guess it was n fact Steve from GN doing that interview, clips are in this video, and Valve corrected the statement to say that all machines are shipping with a single 16 GB RAM stick. Damn.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Edit: I was going off the previous interview and had not yet watched video in OP. There's been a correction to state all machines have one stick. My bad!

    Original comment below

    The malicious part, imho, is that some machines have two sticks and some machines have one. Which will you get? Who knows! So you could pay the same amount as another customer, but get a worse machine.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Feel like you'd be lucky to get single stick because the performance difference is marginal and you have the opportunity to upgrade it to 32GB by buying just 1 16GB stick.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    My understanding is that DDR5 is very sensitive to matched pairs of modules. I don't think you can rely on individually purchased sticks working together. Not to say that it can't work, but it might be a crapshoot.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously

    At no point in the video does Steve suggest it was malicious

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Really loved Gamers Nexus’ written content and it’s a bit of a bummer that it’s gone deeper and deeper into the video format :/

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Remember when people did this kind of thing because they were genuinely interested and wanted to share their interests with the rest of the world?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. I also reject the assertion that getting paid better for something or changing your reporting approach means that you can no longer be "genuinely interested".

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in.

    Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos.

    Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    TLDR: There’s a trade off when dealing with a ram shortage but this is a bit of a reach. Valve ain’t twirling a mustache…

    Basically, don’t attribute motivation for just dealing with the environment.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ya you gotta be dedicated lol. This one, however, was like 23 minutes or so.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder how much for another 16gb stick...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    TBF I'd rather it shipped with a single 16gb stick so you can upgrade to 32 than two 8gb that you could only upgrade by replacing both

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    [–] 37 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I mean, this honestly seems rather nice of Valve? The performance difference likely isn't that much, and if you are the kind of person where it does matter you'll probably want to upgrade to 32GB anyway. In which case you can just buy a single 16GB stick rather than having to buy a full kit.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The performance difference likely isn't that much

    Surprisingly, in the video they see noticeable improvements in performance with 2 sticks due to it unlocking dual-channel memory. Ut was an up to 15% improvement in CPU bound games.

    I recommend actually watching the video for more detail

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    An important thing to consider with ddr5 that their method of testing didn't consider is that a number of 8gb sticks are made in a way that gives a lot lower performance. So the 8gb sticks valve could source may not have had that big of a difference from a single 16gb stick.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    I think generally you aren’t supposed to use different kinds of memory together, so a lot of people would replace it entirely.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think this may have been an issue eons ago, now everything just agrees on what speed to run based on the slowest stick. Haven’t heard of it being a problem for a while.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Different person here. I did watch, and it sounded like a bit of FUD. "It could be unstable. You could get a random crash some months into the future and you don't know if you need to blame it on the RAM or something else." that's basically all he said.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    "Valve doesn't have a take it or go fuck yourself agreement" with memory vendors. They have a "Get fucked and go fuck yourself anyway agreement." - Gamers Nexus

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    That's what I was thinking... secondary market for replaced Steam Machine memory... but TBH, after I got downgraded from the 2TB reservation to the 512, and saw the removal of the 4K60 stat, and the problems with single channel memory, and the cancelation of the Companion Cube, I don't even want one anymore. 😔

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    wait, they cancelled the Companion Cube shroud?

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  • [–] 79 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Dbrand didn’t have permission and just yolo’d it without speaking to Valve.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    Typical Dbrand.

    The D always stood for douche. Which was a fun gimmick at first, but they've been freeballing a lot of their big releases recently, without any care in the world. It was ought to happen.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Cost to performance ratio of “upgrading” to dual-channel doesn’t really make sense.

    Seems like the actual difference in gaming performance is negligible in all but a few edge cases.

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    What's your point? The video shows a 19% increase in making zip files. And almost nothing in any of the games.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)

    An up to 15% increase in some games isn't nothing

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Kind of lost excitement after the price tag. If Xbox and Sony raised their prices first I feel like maybe the public would of received the steam machines price better. Its still too much for me regardless, I don't need one just wanted one as a fan boy.

    Also its the steam frame that is the more important one in my mind.

    Look up gamehub (don't use it though it's made by game sir I think) they are already using fex and you can play games like red dead 2 at 60fps 720p on a pocco phone.

    Like a year or two down the line the verification system for the steam frame will be super matured and you will just be able to play the games on your phone. Fex could potentially even help inspire someone to make a arch based operating system for phones so we have something other than Ubuntu touch and postmarket os. And it would be able to run pretty much any application. A lot of native Linux apps are already ported to arm like blender, being able to run exes and video games helps a lot.

    I wish I could express to you guys how much proton matured sense the release of the steam deck and the constant work with the verification program which helps them further fix proton. It was like maybe half my library that worked, and not super well when I got my q1 steam deck. Now I don't even check proton db before buying a game, besides few multiplayer games everything just works. So much of the world is going to arm and x86 is on its way out.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Look up gamehub (don't use it though it's made by game sir I think)

    There is GameHub Lite, which is a community fork of GameHub with all telemetry removed.

    There is also GameNative, which has been working a lot better than GameHub on my Xiaomi Pad 6. It's an older tablet, so maybe GameHub works better on newer hardware.

    And there is Winlator too. Haven't tried this one yet, so can't comment on its features or compatibility.

    So much of the world is going to arm and x86 is on its way out.

    Thank God. The world will be a better place without Intel, AMD, and their x86 disaster.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    If I were to get one, and I'm not rich to throw away money at this, I'd be wary of upgrading them myself. The teardowns showed there are some particularly fragile ribbons cables glued that would be really easy to damage.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ive heard that a single stick of ddr5 can run some kind of dual channel. So it doesnt effect speed much.

    Source: i feel like I heard it somewhere.

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