▲ 44 ▼ Valve Nerfed the Steam Machine's Performance | Single vs. Dual-Channel Memory Benchmark - Gamers Nexus (www.youtube.com) submitted 4 months ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 27 comments fedilink hide all child comments Well that's really a big ol' WTF there and another fuck you BS AI.
[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 41 points 4 months ago (23 children) TL;DW? Gamers Nexus is great but I don't always have an hour+ for their videos 😐 permalink fedilink source hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 30 points 4 months ago (1 child) GN usually offers the tl;dw in the first minute, as in this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 9 points 4 months ago It was like the first 25 seconds, haha. Hats off to them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 49 points 4 months ago (10 children) Valve is shipping the steam machine with a single stick of 16gb of RAM, what they were able to procure. This hampers performance. Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously, despite gn also saying this is what valve was able to get all they could ship more machines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) There's an interview with two Valve employees (maybe by Tested? I forget) where they were very clear that this is what RAM they were able to purchase. Otherwise they would simply have to produce far fewer Steam Machines overall. Not very good choices to have when releasing a product... EDIT: Nope I guess it was n fact Steve from GN doing that interview, clips are in this video, and Valve corrected the statement to say that all machines are shipping with a single 16 GB RAM stick. Damn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 6 points 4 months ago* (5 children) Edit: I was going off the previous interview and had not yet watched video in OP. There's been a correction to state all machines have one stick. My bad! Original comment below The malicious part, imho, is that some machines have two sticks and some machines have one. Which will you get? Who knows! So you could pay the same amount as another customer, but get a worse machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (4 children) Feel like you'd be lucky to get single stick because the performance difference is marginal and you have the opportunity to upgrade it to 32GB by buying just 1 16GB stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) My understanding is that DDR5 is very sensitive to matched pairs of modules. I don't think you can rely on individually purchased sticks working together. Not to say that it can't work, but it might be a crapshoot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously At no point in the video does Steve suggest it was malicious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Clickbait headline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago It's not even the video title that's clickbait. It's OP editorializing permalink fedilink source parent [–] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 months ago (5 children) Really loved Gamers Nexus’ written content and it’s a bit of a bummer that it’s gone deeper and deeper into the video format :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) They gotta make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (3 children) Remember when people did this kind of thing because they were genuinely interested and wanted to share their interests with the rest of the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. I also reject the assertion that getting paid better for something or changing your reporting approach means that you can no longer be "genuinely interested". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in. Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago TLDR: There’s a trade off when dealing with a ram shortage but this is a bit of a reach. Valve ain’t twirling a mustache… Basically, don’t attribute motivation for just dealing with the environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ya you gotta be dedicated lol. This one, however, was like 23 minutes or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Still too long for what could have been 2 paragraphs and a bar graph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago Yup but my point is its not one of the typical 1 hour long ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 30 points 4 months ago (1 child) GN usually offers the tl;dw in the first minute, as in this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 9 points 4 months ago It was like the first 25 seconds, haha. Hats off to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 9 points 4 months ago It was like the first 25 seconds, haha. Hats off to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 49 points 4 months ago (10 children) Valve is shipping the steam machine with a single stick of 16gb of RAM, what they were able to procure. This hampers performance. Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously, despite gn also saying this is what valve was able to get all they could ship more machines. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) There's an interview with two Valve employees (maybe by Tested? I forget) where they were very clear that this is what RAM they were able to purchase. Otherwise they would simply have to produce far fewer Steam Machines overall. Not very good choices to have when releasing a product... EDIT: Nope I guess it was n fact Steve from GN doing that interview, clips are in this video, and Valve corrected the statement to say that all machines are shipping with a single 16 GB RAM stick. Damn. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 6 points 4 months ago* (5 children) Edit: I was going off the previous interview and had not yet watched video in OP. There's been a correction to state all machines have one stick. My bad! Original comment below The malicious part, imho, is that some machines have two sticks and some machines have one. Which will you get? Who knows! So you could pay the same amount as another customer, but get a worse machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (4 children) Feel like you'd be lucky to get single stick because the performance difference is marginal and you have the opportunity to upgrade it to 32GB by buying just 1 16GB stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) My understanding is that DDR5 is very sensitive to matched pairs of modules. I don't think you can rely on individually purchased sticks working together. Not to say that it can't work, but it might be a crapshoot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously At no point in the video does Steve suggest it was malicious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Clickbait headline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago It's not even the video title that's clickbait. It's OP editorializing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) There's an interview with two Valve employees (maybe by Tested? I forget) where they were very clear that this is what RAM they were able to purchase. Otherwise they would simply have to produce far fewer Steam Machines overall. Not very good choices to have when releasing a product... EDIT: Nope I guess it was n fact Steve from GN doing that interview, clips are in this video, and Valve corrected the statement to say that all machines are shipping with a single 16 GB RAM stick. Damn. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 6 points 4 months ago* (5 children) Edit: I was going off the previous interview and had not yet watched video in OP. There's been a correction to state all machines have one stick. My bad! Original comment below The malicious part, imho, is that some machines have two sticks and some machines have one. Which will you get? Who knows! So you could pay the same amount as another customer, but get a worse machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (4 children) Feel like you'd be lucky to get single stick because the performance difference is marginal and you have the opportunity to upgrade it to 32GB by buying just 1 16GB stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) My understanding is that DDR5 is very sensitive to matched pairs of modules. I don't think you can rely on individually purchased sticks working together. Not to say that it can't work, but it might be a crapshoot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (4 children) Feel like you'd be lucky to get single stick because the performance difference is marginal and you have the opportunity to upgrade it to 32GB by buying just 1 16GB stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) My understanding is that DDR5 is very sensitive to matched pairs of modules. I don't think you can rely on individually purchased sticks working together. Not to say that it can't work, but it might be a crapshoot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] officermike@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children) My understanding is that DDR5 is very sensitive to matched pairs of modules. I don't think you can rely on individually purchased sticks working together. Not to say that it can't work, but it might be a crapshoot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) You can if you buy the same spec. People often don't read the notes on what they buy, I think that's the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] officermike@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Even modules sold under the same model number may use chips from a different manufacturer, or have a different PCB layout. These differences can make some modules incompatible with otherwise seemingly identical modules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago Hmm I thought the fine print listed the chip info. Its been a while since I build my PC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Parts of the video make it sound like gn thinks valve is doing this maliciously At no point in the video does Steve suggest it was malicious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Clickbait headline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago It's not even the video title that's clickbait. It's OP editorializing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Clickbait headline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago It's not even the video title that's clickbait. It's OP editorializing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago It's not even the video title that's clickbait. It's OP editorializing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 months ago (5 children) Really loved Gamers Nexus’ written content and it’s a bit of a bummer that it’s gone deeper and deeper into the video format :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) They gotta make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (3 children) Remember when people did this kind of thing because they were genuinely interested and wanted to share their interests with the rest of the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. I also reject the assertion that getting paid better for something or changing your reporting approach means that you can no longer be "genuinely interested". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in. Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) They gotta make money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (3 children) Remember when people did this kind of thing because they were genuinely interested and wanted to share their interests with the rest of the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. I also reject the assertion that getting paid better for something or changing your reporting approach means that you can no longer be "genuinely interested". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in. Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (3 children) Remember when people did this kind of thing because they were genuinely interested and wanted to share their interests with the rest of the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. I also reject the assertion that getting paid better for something or changing your reporting approach means that you can no longer be "genuinely interested". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in. Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. I also reject the assertion that getting paid better for something or changing your reporting approach means that you can no longer be "genuinely interested". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in. Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Monetizing of the online video "industry" directly lead to this kinda of video where a 2 minute talking point is padded out to more than 20 minutes. A passionate person would be trying to get the point across for their viewers not getting the 5th mid-roll ad in. Watch videos by Mike Harrison (Mike's Electric Stuff) or Ben Krasnow (Applied Science), while they do occasionally run long, the videos are so dense that you can't skip 75% and still know what's going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 months ago Gamer's Nexus sums up their video in the first 60 seconds, typically, for people exactly like you who don't want to watch 20 minutes videos. Some of us, on the other hand, like the content and watch all 20 minutes. You don't get to gatekeep what a passionate person would do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago TLDR: There’s a trade off when dealing with a ram shortage but this is a bit of a reach. Valve ain’t twirling a mustache… Basically, don’t attribute motivation for just dealing with the environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ya you gotta be dedicated lol. This one, however, was like 23 minutes or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Still too long for what could have been 2 paragraphs and a bar graph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago Yup but my point is its not one of the typical 1 hour long ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Still too long for what could have been 2 paragraphs and a bar graph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago Yup but my point is its not one of the typical 1 hour long ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 months ago Yup but my point is its not one of the typical 1 hour long ones. permalink fedilink source parent