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[–] 84 points 4 months ago (6 children)

All I am seeing here, is the insane yearly cost of recurring maintenance on an old wooden house...*shudders*

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's really not that bad except the paint job every 10-20 years which costs as much as a new car, but back in the day they had oil paint which didn't peel like latex does. Still, imo, worth it to live in an historic, unique, drag queen of a home.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    The looks you get when you tell your contractor you want plaster, not drywall.

    They had to find a guy who still knew how to do plaster walls when we redid our bathroom. He was well past retirement age.

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    We figured out how to install gas lines appropriately. Many "ghosts" were gas inhalation induced hallucinations.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    And 'juvenile delinquency' stopped after they took lead out of gasoline.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It's amazing how much the violent crime rate went down with the removal of leaded gas.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I like to read science fiction from that time and look at the things the authors, some of them actual scientists, overlooked.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    An example of things that authors missed! I just watched a YouTube video looking at the history of instant communication devices in Sci-fi and Fantasy, and also how the author thought to use them in the narrative; contrasting that with how we'd actually use them through our modern understanding. They go on to argue that usage of instant communication is now so ubiquitous to our collective psyche that current sci-fi and fantasy stories can just invent it in basically every setting nowadays. It's actually a really easy thing to cook up if your narrative has any kind of magic system, be it science or standard issue. https://youtu.be/2Pw_7vAK9k8

    Are video essays, specifically ones about storytelling, my special interest? Yes, but I hardly see how that's relevant.

    (That's an example of lampshading)

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    To wax pedantic.

    Starting with the last. Read a play called "We Bombed In New Haven" by Joseph Heller. It's all about smashing the fourth wall.

    You might want to look up thse books. David Gerrard's The making of Star Trek, and The Making of 2001 by Stephanie Schwam. Both deal with the problems of creating a science fiction movie at a time when every special effect had to be 'practical' and handmade. For example, on Star Trek there was a scene that involved a salt shaker. Production brought a dozen exotic looking shakers, only for them to decide that those things looked too weird and that the audience wouldn't understand what they were. In the end they used a salt shaker from the NBC commissary and gave the others to Dr. McCoy to use in sickbay.

    Also, think on this. To 1960s audiences Uhura as Communications Officer was a big deal. The audiences had grown up with [or actually lived through] WW2 stories where the radio operator was a vital member of the team. With improved communications tech, the people who made The Next Generation decided that the bridge no longer needed a dedicated Communicatuions Officer.

    Finally, I can name a dozen stories where a Faster Than Light traveler gets a paper letter or a telegram.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    It's like all those stories from the 1800s of clocks stopping the moment a person died. Turns out of a lot of the clocks back then would stop running if you turned them sideways, which a lot of doctors did at night to be able to read the time of death.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago

    If we go by the logic in some media where the ghosts are bound to the house/property, they probably don't want to be stuck somewhere that will eventually just dissolve in the rain.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Say, isn't that the old Henderson place? I heard they never could find a buyer after what happened.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    I wonder if older houses seem more "hauntable" simply because they were built to facilitate air flow within them. Before air conditioning, homes had to be built to allow air to naturally circulate. Thought was placed into room, door, and window layouts to encourage air flow throughout the home, windows were designed to fully open, and transom windows allowed air flow even when doors were closed.

    The point is that old homes were built to allow air flow. This means that there's more opportunity for doors to randomly close and other things to be disturbed by the wind. Older homes also weren't as sealed and insulated as well. They were designed assuming that some of the structure would get wet and then dry out. Older buildings were designed to undergo constant moisture cycling, while newer buildings try to seal out moisture all together. More dramatic changes in lumber moisture content means more creaks, groans, and other ghostly noises.

    Simply because of how buildings science has evolved, it's possible that older homes just more readily produce "haunting" sounds than modern ones.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Haunted houses are old. There's no way McMansions will last long enough for ghosts to sprout.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I honestly don't understand the houses going up in my neighborhood - it's getting gentrified and what is being built is so ugly. Who is buying these ugly ass houses for 1.5 MILLION dollars? If that was my budget I'd build something beautiful with a big porch like this picture, but all the "luxury" homes are boxes with big garages in front. I look at them on Zillow and they aren't even pretty on the inside.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    I work for a city that's an enclave for the mega-rich and is going through hyper-gentrification. People are buying 3 million dollar houses, tearing them down, and building 15 million-dollar houses.

    It's the 1%ers being pushed out by the .01%ers. It's a whole different planet.

    But the contractors still suck and cut every corner they can, so it really is the same anywhere you go.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    And they all look alike in some developments. One cheap house after another, all exactly alike. Crap materials, horrible construction. Seriously, who wants to live in that kind of neighborhood?

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    New builds really bug me too. They're so pricey and big, yet the developers keep putting them on postage stamp lots. Like, who wants to spend that much money on a freestanding house while being so crammed together that you might as well be sharing walls?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    While this house is beautiful and magnificent, it probably also needs to be gutted, insulated, rewired/replumbed, and lacks common hidey holes for central air. All those shingles are custom now, and the whole thing needs repainting regularly. The doorways and stairs are narrow, and most of the rooms are small by today's standards. The windows aren't low-e, and even with all that, it'll still probably leak air like a sieve.

    It is a magnificent house, but it's also an absolute money pit to maintain, heat, and cool.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Agreed. I have never lived in a house younger than 70. While there are upsides beyond style (old growth forest framing, solid wood floors) there are downsides - have always been able to get central air, even in the 1925 house, but so very many things have to be changed and fixed. I wouldn't even try with a 200 year old house unless I was so rich. But if I was, I might. Or might build a reproduction with some reclaimed materials and some modern touches.

    Even in our house, half 1940 half 1990, new metal roof, roof attachments, hurricane windows, and we are not yet close to the current building standards. An endless work in progress, I would enjoy that if it wasn't financially stressful, but the house I love and it's not as stressful as a mortgage and taxes on a 1.5M ugly house.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What other choice do people have? My options around here are 100 year old failing cardboard houses, or overpriced stupid Zillow Grey boxes. It’s that or just abandon my family.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    If you have the budget to buy the ugly box, you have the budget to buy the cardboard house, knock it down and build something you like that isn't so enormous. We didn't have the budget for either so are just slowly renovating and hardening the house we bought.

    My point isn't that houses are too expensive - that is beyond question at this point. Even your cardboard box would cost too much now for most anybody. What I do not understand is rich people buying ugly prefabricated stuff in general. I would use that budget for something bespoke.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Vinyl siding never looks good. Use any other material. And the insides are all sterile tones of grey. All the "luxury" apartments in my area are all grey. The floors this grey vinyl pho wood. Grey cabits and counters. Bleh

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Yeah ours has the vinyl and it does cheapen the look. It's on the list. The boxes though - they are just blocks made with concrete blocks and stucco-ed.

    I like some gray but gray fake wood floors are among the worst, who thought that would look good for more than 5 minutes? I don't like marble floors either. Wood in a wood color is #1, terrazzo is fine, nice tile is fine.

    I do know people have different taste but don't think that this exterior or interior could be pleasing to anyone, and again the house was well over a million $. Though to be fair they had to drop it from 1.5 to 1.2 to sell it, that is still too much and nobody is building anything reasonable except people who are hiring their own builders. All the speculative ones are either straight up boxes or something like this, going into a neighborhood that was just little houses, frame or block. For that $$ I would want much more kitchen too.

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    [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fucking ghosts better chip in paying for the upkeep, property taxes, and everything else. No one gets to haunt for free.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's because it's now dead malls that are getting haunted. To know what's worth haunting today we'll need to wait about 30 to 50 years to see what sorts of architecture is considered spooky.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There’s nowhere close to the demand for artisanship anymore. Rich people display their wealth through expensive disposable items, not carefully made things.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    That house looks like it's $3.2 million dollars.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Eureka, CA has a ton of houses like this. It was the west coast lumber capital for a while, making a lot of millionaires who wanted extravagant wood houses

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Turn out haunting a house also cost some ghost buck and inflation makes haunting unaffordable.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    Small houses can be scary, too! My living room when I moved in back in October (not a joke):

    And there's so much more!

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Do those numbers mean something?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    No idea. I thought it might be the combination to the gun safe, but that doesn't seem to be it. Sort of a LOST situation, I deemed it best not to get too hung up on the numbers, after much speculation.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    The spacing almost looks like Ol' Boy 22 or something. Weird find!

    Edit: maybe Ol' Boyzz?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    The previous owner went through a tragedy and had a rough go of it:

    Also the crawlspace is labeled "The Dark Side" and there were shoes. And a VHS camera/tape I'll never watch.

    STILL NOT JOKING!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I feel bad for the dude, looking at the pictures you posted it seems like the poor bastard had a mental break.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    "My house is haunted."

    "You live in a ranch in the suburbs built in 1983. What kind of white bread ghost stuck around that mess?"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    ranch in the suburbs

    I thought that was what they call eating out in Iowa?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Probably cuz all the lumber is gone lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    In a way it has. Lumber harvested today is from much younger trees made to grow fast, so they have fewer rings and each ring is wider. Compared to older lumber that was often harvested from natural growth forests which is of course unsustainable, but is stronger and more dimensionally stable than new lumber.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    I'm renovating my house which was built in 1942. Even though these houses were built as temporary worker housing during the war, the 2x4s are just insane quality. Perfectly straight and not a knot to be found in them anywhere. I repurposed some of them as stairway bannisters because they're so great.

    Unfortunately, it took me awhile to notice that they're all 3.75" x 1.75". I knew older 2x4s were really 2" x 4" instead of the modern 3.5" x 1.5", but I never knew that there was an intermediate dimensional period like this. I kept building new walls 1/2" too high with them until I figured it out because they looked modern.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    I’ve tried/succeeded kinda to make this house in The Sims before lol (DaisyMarie86 - I have lots of Victorians and I’m a good builder 😋) and I can tell you why! it’s really hard and REALLY expensive!

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    They died cuz of the asbestos

    /j

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Am I the only one or does that picture look kind of uncanny?

    I can't place it... It looks uneven and wavy.

    I smell burnt toast.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    You have to own the house to have it be haunted. So boomers are kinda the least generation of people to be haunted.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I have a relative with a haunted McMansion. They're rich, they bought a slot in a brand new subdivision, had the house built for them. We joke that it's on an Indian burial ground. Everyone's had some kind of experience there, voices in another room when you're there alone, electronics turn themselves on and off, they're spouse interacted with a demon child thing and it left marks, rooms losing electric like the power went out but other rooms on the same circuit breakers are fine, I've personally heard a bloodcurdling scream come from upstairs while I was housesitting for them...

    That place is the reason I'm agnostic, and not fully atheist.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    The truth is autocad.

    Curves and pillars are hard to represent architectures in computer software. What's easy is nice boxy boxes.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The real truth is cheapass construction goals. Straight lines and few details are easy enough for less skilled labor to complete and it is easier to hide imperfections when there are fewer details.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The real truth is cost. To be able to afford to have this built, would cost a lot more than it did back then. Cost of living has become so high and you have to pay construction workers a living wage.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The real truth is ghosts. Ghosts have gotten lazy and don't like haunting places with complicated floor plans.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    If you think curves and pillars are hard to represent in software, you'll be aghast how hard they are to represent with hand drawings.

    Your typical architect or engineer of the era would need a kit of dozens of French curves to achieve proper specs in the drawing.

    I think auto cad's role in minimizing residential craftsmanship pales in comparison to pre-fab techniques, fewer craftspeople, high volume assemblies, necessity for faster builds, less old-growth timber availability, and a philosophical shift in the economics of home building that now lean more towards speed and mass production.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    That house is a nightmare for any craftsman working on it too. You can pretty much forget about most external DIY stuff. Straight lines make for easy projects. Even crooked lines that are supposed to be straight are better than the curves and twists on this thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    A new Mansion in which multiple deaths have occurred is a truly haunted thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    modern ghosts haunt abandoned bowling alleys instead...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Since this is the closest thing I've seen to an architecture discussion on Lemmy, can I sidetrack this conversation?

    I really want to talk about how I simultaneously love the Obamas and hate a lot of their style choices. The Brutalism of his new presidential library is... Imposing and unwelcoming.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    Look at it this way: Brutalist buildings are more “honest.”

    All modern buildings are brutalist (reinforced concrete, bare materials) until their glass / metal / brick facades are put on.

    The Obama library is the anti-trump building. It’s devoid of flamboyance, false adornment, unnecessary material, or flashy opulence. It is exactly what it wants to be. Imposing but unobtrusive on the skyline. It’s part of the scenery, without becoming the scenery.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Jesus. That looks like Bracknell.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of people love Brutalism, but it's not for me either.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I love brutalism. I'm also not a fan of the design of the library.

    Brutalism kind of requires an environment. But it's like a jagged tooth sticking out of a garden. Like a giant lawn rock. Lift it up and you'll find the keys to the American dream. Locked away like some davinci code nonsense.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    OoOoOoOoO.... I can't leave... Do you know what type of interest loan I have? OoOoOo

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Or maybe we can't afford the houses where they live now?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Is nobody gonna acknowledge this thing: 1000005135

    Yes, I know it's a reflection. But since when is KKK haunting houses?

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