Linux-based phone still ‘runs 99% of Android apps’ so you can do more with it, if you wish.

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[–] 42 points 4 months ago (9 children)

How does it not have social media or browser if so many apps are compatible? Doesn’t that amount of compatibility mean we can still have social media and browsers?

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Based on the article, they have a blocklist of certain apps. You can only install apps they allow. Not sure how extensive the list is, but surely the most popular ones are blocked and they will probably update the list.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    You can only install apps they allow.

    Untrue, the article clearly says that you can sideload anything you want.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Do I misunderstand the article? They state following:

    Users are still able to sideload apps outside those that are blocked, using APK installer files

    Meaning you can only sideload apps, that are not blocked. So you would not be able to install anything they do not allow to.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You misunderstand, the list of apps they block are "inside" the said list, while sideloading apps "outside" of the said list is possible. So you can only find and install whatever apps they've approved within whatever app store they use to serve apps to their customers, but you can install any apk on the phone by sideloading it, given the app supports the phones CPU architecture of course.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    "Users are still able to": Means despite the block list in the operating system, users can still do following...

    "sideload apps": ... install applications manually outside the app store...

    "those that are not blocked": ... applications not in the known block list from the company.

    I don't know how one can interpret this differently. Where does your "inside" and "outside" interpretation come from?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    You can sideload apps, whether they are on the blocklist or not. That's what the sentence* you quoted says. Well, that's what I interpret anyways. Maybe I'm wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I broke it down for you and explained each part. And that does not align with your interpretation. That's why I asked you where your interpretation comes from. "sideload apps those that are not blocked" means "sideload apps that are not on blocklist". Where does this paragraph states, that it allows to install apps whether they are on the blocklist or not? Could you explain it?

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  • [–] 132 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Great initiative but at this price it's just a scam srlsy..

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  • [+] 70 points 4 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    That is the price if you ship million of units. Realistically, how many units can ship this? 10k? 20k?

    Once you consider the price of the plastic shell molds (custom), the custom keypad, the custom motherboard, the custom assembly line, this price is almost cheap.

    I wouldn't even consider a purchase even at a third of the price, but it was a scam if they simply put a sticker on some Alibaba clamshell with stock android, instead here they even partnered with Jolla to have sailfish is as base with the android emulator. That's much more expensive than just slapping android aosp with a minimal launcher and calling it a day

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I would expect to pay $50 for a modern flip phone with hardware comparable to one from 20y ago. But this is running Sailfish OS, has a decent SoC, camera, DAC, and up to 64GB of RAM. This ain't your grandma's flip phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure if it's me or you misreading this, but I believe when it says 4GB/64GB it's one model, 4GB of RAM and 64GB internal storage. 64GB of RAM at a form factor to fit in a phone that small is currently outwith our technological capacity surely

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Ah yeah, I misread that. I agree $500 is high for what it is, but it's also kind of a novelty device that they'll surely only make a relatively small number of to guage interest. The industry has shifted all of its manufacturing away from making flip phones cheap.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    People pay over $1k for a phone. Now that is a scam.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    But those phones are mini computers, some of which people use as an actual desktop.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    or you can get an actual desktop -- and even laptops -- for less money and a better experience.

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    [–] 25 points 4 months ago*

    My first thought was, this might be about just what's installed by default. Reading a bit further the article says:

    Apparently, the OS has hard blocks to stop the installation of browsers and social media apps.

    "Users are still able to sideload apps outside those that are blocked, using APK installer files..."

    So I'm not sure why I would want pay 500 Dollars / Euros, just so they have control over what I can install and not. To me this would be a deal breaker. Also this seems to be "basically a custom version of the Jolla Sailfish OS", so there are probably "better" options using the same OS. And it only has 4GB of RAM? I am not impressed for the price and for the control.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago

    That's a stupid price, one of the main things of brick/flip phones is their low price, HMD feature phones range from about £20 to £70, some new google pixels can go for about this price, so getting something with the price of a smartphone with a fraction of the features sounds scummy.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    $499? No thanks

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Browser and email is the bare minimum, though.

    Even the cheapest clamshells in the 2000s had those two.

    Don't preinstall it by default if you want to look minimal but being forced to sideload (their app store blocks this essential category?????) an Android APK in the emulator instead of using native Linux apps for that, is ridiculous

    I understand that for a small company like them (it's being owned by a YouTuber now) creating hardware is extremely expensive and 499 can even considered cheap with all the custom stuff in this device, plastic molds, dedicated assembly lines and so on, but my mind can't accept paying more than 149 for something like this

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The main reason I have a smartphone is to have a browser and email. If those are not available I might as well use a dumb phone.

    It's a dumb phone with Spotify... I used to do just fine with music loaded on the phone memory.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago

    It's like that era of putting pink ribbons on everything for breast cancer that also signaled you were a supporter of women. Commercialized activism. Be real. This will sell very little. We'll get some news articles about how it's trending with Gen z that are rejecting technology and always online culture. It'll actually only be a small amount of Gen z but you know blogspam going to blogspam.

    It's a crappy product. We need a Linux phone that would actually be a halo product for people to not feel like they're ripping themselves off to get away from Google and Apple

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    At $200... Maybe.

    AI slop video, no faith in what will (or likely won't) be delivered.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I can get a new modern smartphone which works without major problems at $80. I see no reason to spend double that on a flip phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Is that phone truly Linux based, have expandable memory, a temeable battery, etc... and does it have a team actively supporting it to maintain and expand those features? I'm saying I'd pay $200 for what they were describing IF real people were building a movement away from the same black apple/samsung rectangles, locked into deep Google surveillance fed back to palantir.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    So happy with my 2nd hand Pixel 8. No BS, ecologically acceptable IMHO and yes runs most Android apps thanks to GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    While it seems like everyone here hates it, I’ve been looking for a minimal phone for when my current one dies. This seems to hit the exact sweet spot of functionality I want vs what I don’t want. As for the price, well, I’m spending at least that much on my next phone anyway so it seems fine by me.

    And I have a huge nostalgia for flip phones and transparent electronics. So yeah, signed up to preorder.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Nice! I'm very tempted... I really like that it's SailfishOS. I bought an Xperia 10 III with SailfishOS and it works pretty decently. I've used the Android compatibility layer, it's pretty good.

    I know it's not 100% FOSS, but maybe it's seeming like we could rally around SailfishOS for an alternative to Android and iOS.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    They lost me at $499. A phone that is just a phone should be about a hundred bucks max. I didn't read the article though. Maybe it's still very computery.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    Small production run + half-decent internals probably accounts for a lot of the price.

    Having experimented with $100 underpowered flip phone on KaiOS, lack of apps was a real problem. What (some) people want is the slight inconvenience of a T9 keyboard and an annoyingly small screen to help them limit their screen time, but they still want full functionality of all their apps.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I know some people who would actually kill for a physical T9 keyboard so they could touch-type. It's not my cup of tea, but I can definitely see it being a major draw for people who grew up texting on a real flip phone.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    as someone who has been using t9 phones for the last 3-4 years, the tough part is will the software and keys even be good on this. you just don't know till you use it. It's true, having an underpowered phone sucks ( I'm using the Sonim X320 now which I believe has 4GB of ram, and it's soooo nice compared to the Cat S22 Flip ). But a lot of issues on my previous phones (prev mentioned Cat, then the Qin F25) was mostly the software not working well with buttons or the screen size. The sonim I have now works well because the stock apps a designed for the hard ware. $450 or whatever is still too much, but if it covers all the bands and use usable, at least it's an option.

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  • [–] 60 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Look, I love the idea of a Linux phone.

    But $500 and it manages my temptations for me? Fuck no.

    The whole point of Linux is freedom.

    Enough behavior shaping.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Social media is humans being social through media, I am sick and tired of it being categorically villainized especially because the scientific evidence for it being inherently bad is laughable.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    No browser is wild. And what does that even mean here? You have to run everything by app now? That sounds like ass.

    What is the point of it being linux if it just runs "99% of android apps" but no browser?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    To say that social media is just people socializing through media is rather like saying that newspapers are just news on paper.

    In both cases it ignores the deliberate, pervasive, and frequently toxic efforts of the platform curators to maximize "engagement" with their audience in pursuit of ad revenue.

    When I socialize with people offline, it looks almost nothing like modern social media "services".

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    In both cases it ignores the deliberate, pervasive, and frequently toxic efforts of the platform curators to maximize "engagement" with their audience in pursuit of ad revenue.

    We are on social media right now, this is not inherent to social media it is a choice forced on it by corporations.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Who is going to pay $500 for a retro flip phone, when you can get a second-hand iPhone for half that? Or you know, an actual flip phone for $25.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Zero justification for that price tag.

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  • [–] 72 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    MediaTek Helio G81 SoC, with 4GB/64GB

    Uhhh. For $500? Sorry, no.

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  • [–] 68 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    I mean its a small company. We have become too used to subsidized costs at the sake of our privacy. Know why TVs are now $200? They are literal spyware in the home. Try buying one without spyware, $999 real fast for the same TV.

    Know why phone companies give you a "free" $1000 phone? Youre the product. Constantly tracked and sold. A digital slave.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Pinephone was a fraction of that price. Can't you run PostmarketOS on a Fair phone too? But that has much better specs.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Uhh the pinephone in general sucks for daily use . its a tinker phone

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Really? I thought mine was great

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Buuutt are you someone who travels and uses airline and banking and hotel apps? Or do you stay home and use arch on a thinkpad ?

    /joky

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I have done all of those things without apps. Why the fuck would I want an airline and hotel app?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Hotel: check in to room immediately without even going to front desk, even if its 3 am.

    Airline: instant update of gate changes. When you need to sprint to make your flight because thr gate changed to one a half mile away, this is something you can't live without. TVs are getting less and less in airports now. Also, literally no one uses a paper ticket and I suspect they'll be phased out completely in 5 years. Too easy to fake.

    There are people alive today who have never once written a check (I do, often), so you can kiss all of our old analog paper ways goodbye in a few years.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I have never written a cheque either but I don't need an app as an alternative. Don't really see why I would need an app to tell me about gate changes at an airport, how often are you flying? I have changed devices more often than I have been in airports.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well we are different in that regard. I keep shit a long time ha, so ive probably had my phone 3 years and been in a plane 5 or 6 times . my SO flies a lot more, has many times had to sprint to their gate because it changed last minute.

    Plus, we dont own a printer anymore (ink=scam) so thats another hassle to go print a ticket. I'm guessing you can't even print at home either you probably need to use the airport printer.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    People don't know this it seems. You actually have to give up something to gain some privacy. Can be money, can be features.

    Most people still use Google while there is Kagi for like 10 dollars... Because they want privacy, but they need it to be free. :)

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Economies of scale. How many people actually want to buy this?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I think this is the real answer, rather than the other comment about users being monetized. There are plenty of affordable Android phones with decent specs that have no spyware besides Google's, and Google's not subsidizing them.

    There are also still dumbphones on the market for under $100. I don't see Android app support as that big a selling point with these specs.

    Good luck to them, but I don't think this is a viable niche.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    499? hahahhaa

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Commodore? C64 and Amiga Commodore? Well, it seems to be a new startup that simply bought and revived the trademark. Instead of a $500 paperweight, they should instead focus on affordable, Linux-based PCs and laptop. Perhaps they could build their own distro using an Amiga-esque filesystem. I would definitely daily-drive a Commodore-branded laptop.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    the "official reveal trailer" is done with ai, it looks like a scam

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Looking at the channel, dude bought the Commodore IP and are releasing retro things with this IP for absurd amount of money. The C64 ultimate for the price on their site and the shit ass hardware is a fucking joke.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    The C64 Ultimate is actually pretty legit, and the price isn't too outrageous for the base model. It's essentially combining a bunch of really quite polished community projects for the C64 together to create a finished product.

    The new owner of Commodore, Peri Fractic of Retro Recipes fame, is truly a super fan of retro computers, and has made content about them on his YouTube for a decade. However, he stubbornly continues to use AI despite some backlash.

    This new phone is massively overpriced, but I suspect those who buy one will receive it eventually.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    How the C64 ultimate is not overpriced? Okay that is using the legit parts of the original commodore and simulating the original hardware but comparing it with any retro handheld is just too overpriced

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    It's using an FPGA for hardware accurate emulation which costs more than the ARM chips in retro handheld emulators, and is a bespoke fairly large product made in relatively small batches. For what if is, it's somewhat reasonably priced compared to its manufacturing costs.

    I can't argue that for most people the value prospect isn't worth it, since the C64 itself isn't really a compelling platform except to specific retro PC enthusiasts, but for those who want a proper modern C64 for nostalgia sake, it's a fair deal.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It’s using an FPGA for hardware accurate emulation which costs more than the ARM chips in retro handheld emulators, and is a bespoke fairly large product made in relatively small batches. For what if is, it’s somewhat reasonably priced compared to its manufacturing costs.

    hmmmm okay that makes sense.

    Btw 2 people with Chrono Trigger avatar debating retro stuff is lmao

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Tbh I wouldn't have known your avatar was from that if you hadn't said anything, as I only played Chronotrigger for maybe an hour or so at a friend's house when I was a kid and don't really remember much except for the time traveling machine they had from my friend's save game, and the girl at the start of the game at the fair :p

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Ah yes, another company trying to squeeze ridiculous amounts of money out of people just because "it has linux".

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    500$? and they used to make one of the cheapest computers on the market

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'd be surprised if that's the same company in anything but name after all these years.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    no social media, no browser
    marketing material: social media in a glorified browser

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    That's easy too expensive for a phone with bad specs that just has blocked access to certain apps

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    The price is unfeasible lmao. You could get an old phone for like 50$ used, put lineage on it, don't install any app or store and be done with it

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    WhatsApp isn't a social media app?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't really class it as such, its just fancy texting for the majority of users

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