A license verification certificate expires and when it expires, Microsoft Office for Mac assumes it's unlicensed even if it has been fully paid for.

So, any idiot who paid for Office 2019 for Mac "perpetual" will lose access to it next month.

The same will happen with Office 2021 and Office 2024 in the future.

Pirates are unaffected, only who paid for the product gets punished

Good job 👍🏻

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[–] 86 points 4 months ago (21 children)

I wouldn't even want to pirate it. I like LibreOffice a lot better.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I do some work for an org that is MS office centric. They provide me with an office license, and space in one drive. I essentially use office to check final output to share with them, but do the actual work in LO. The only thing that goes in onedrive is their stuff.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, excel is such overkill for the average user. Loding a csv in calc would probably be good enough for the majority.

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  • [+] 15 points 4 months ago (17 children)
  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I used excel daily in a corporate environment for the last 10 years of my working life lots of VBA etc. I was the person people came to for excel help. I'm now retired and treasurer for a small non-profit and I use LibreOffice. It's good, but not as good. My needs are pretty basic now, so I'm not pushing the capabilities, but my main gripe for now is formatting pivot tables.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I understand for home use calc, especially, works just fine, but I have to deal with editing excel files at work daily... I can't even run VBA's. And if I save the file in calc it gets messed up.

    The issue is the same as always, that some guy used excel first, and now I have to use it too otherwise I need to redo the entire excel file. I can't be bothered.

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  • [+] 9 points 4 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What's most interesting and baffling to me is that most people think libreoffice "breaks" things. But so far, every time I looked into it, libreoffice "breaking something" usually flows like this:

    • Excel implements some functionality in non-standard ways.
    • Calc / libreoffice goes to apply the functionality using the correct, standard way.
    • Sheet is now "broken", aka not with the expected data.
    • I get yelled at for having dared to use Calc to copy paste some data in a file without even touching scrips or pivot tables or whatever the hell.

    Every. Single. Fucking time.

    I got to a point where I tell them to wank off if they ask me to do something and I don't have easy access to Windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, LO equivalent is to use python inside calc but you can use python outside of Excel just as easily so there's no reason for people to switch from what they currently have.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    that's like saying you can ise visual basic outside of excel, so there's no point in using it in excel

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Thanks for spelling-out the stupid for me. My brain was hung-up on the correct way to un-fuck logic I would rather not understand, for a moment. "Too stupid for words" came to mind, and the phrase just sorta ... hung out, wasting time.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    If you're already completely set up in Excel, there's no reason to switch.

    If you're set up in LO using visual basic outside of it then that would also mean there's no reason to switch. Either way it doesn't translate to the other.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    If you're already completely set up in Excel, there's no reason to switch.

    is there no reason? licensing issues (like certain not so old purchased versions just getting disabled globally)? windows lock-in?

    If you're set up in LO using visual basic outside of it then that would also mean there's no reason to switch.

    what do you think, how is visual basic used in a spreadsheet? how do you imagine it being used outside of the spreadsheet app?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You're missing the point. Excel works just well enough/LO doesn't have a big enough killer feature for companies to justify the cost of switching.

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  • [–] 80 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Hows about you don’t even worry about pirating it and just move to opensource?

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I’m far from a spreadsheet super user, but Excel really is in a class by itself. The rest of the office suite, however, is easily replaced by open source.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Try LibreOffice calc.

    I think Word is harder to replace because formatting issues assuming documents are in word format

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I use Calc, and it does just fine for my use case. But I know people in finance whose work relies on the powerful advanced features excel has and LO just doesn’t yet.

    Funny enough, I haven’t touched a word processor or slide deck program in years.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    But python is more of a first class citizen in libreCalc.

    You can use Numpy, Pandas, matplotlib, etc... In both excel and librecalc since recently and excel has a hacky runtime inside of it that often has to be restarted if leaving it idle for too long.

    You can do 10x what you can do in excel + VBS with python packages. Dataframes alone for data analysis is night and day compared to VBS hacks.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry, but no. It's awful. Tried it out when I was doing my taxes. Basic shit is just hidden and convoluted it just not possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I find it even more convoluted in Excel. But it is subjective. In any case, I agree it is convoluted. I think (no proof) the old style Excel menus were used as basis for libreoffice.

    But, just like with any software, search it once and you learn how. Takes a while but it's great when you get the hang and get everything set up for your use case.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    These are Mac users we're talking about here - they're terrified of anything not produced by a corpo.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    This is a common stereotype but there is a reasonably sized group of Linux enthusiasts who work on macs.

    Macos is a real unix based OS. (As opposed to unix compatible GNU “Gnu is Not Unix”) and they claim the performance (apples own chips), even in a vm is amazing.

    I had at least one coworker who did this, i also remember Emily Young (Who some remember as Anthony from Ltt) also had quite a few apple products in her house.

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  • [+] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Supposedly freedom loving open source folk are as susceptible to flashy marketing surrounding Apple's shiny new thing as any other consumer. I remember how infuriated I got when I saw the Asahi project. Years upon years of hardwork only to get an operating system, which already runs on computers 99% of the userbace relies on, to run on Apple's fancy new laptop on the bloc, just because. There so no real benefit to actually do it, be we do it still!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    When Asahi started, the M1 chips were so good they might as well have been the only ARM-based-that-can-run-x86/x64-code-CPUs in-town. Last I checked, the M-series were still consistetly near the top of the stack of such chips, and look even better when you account for price.

    Your argument works even better versus the Snapdragon X, but that's Microsoft's current fav, so ... ?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    As someone who lives and works in Silicon Valley, the amount of coworkers and colleagues in my experience in engineering using non-default MacOS configurations is nonexistent. There are things like Asahi Linux (which is an amazing project, don't get me wrong), but let's not pretend that the people who use open source software on MacOS are not fractions of a percent compared to the general userbase.

    In fact, my experience working in IT professionally and assisting friends and family personally has only underscored that view - those who were actually using Linux and FOSS software professionally were not on Apple hardware (and knew what went wrong and what assistance was needed). Those who I had to assist with Apple hardware... were different strains of "technically inept" who managed to break their experiences despite using default settings (kind of impressive I suppose).

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I run a Mac laptop and use open source OnlyOffice. The more open source the better since I don’t have to worry about Apple’s cut provoking developers to charge more subscriptions

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    More power to you - but you are a portion of Apple's userbase that will not receive the same level of support or adoption as the mainstream userbase, and largely not emblematic of the "average MacOS customer".

    I do agree with your reasoning though (and I'd probably be much more cheerful in helping someone like you compared to the rest of my IT clientele who used Apple products as-is).

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  • [–] 68 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    while I'm generally in support of paying for the product you get value from, this just goes to show that you should never purchase a Microsoft license. ever. they do not respect you, their agreement with you, or basic ethics. do not feel bad about pirating Microsoft products.

    but even better, just use something else.

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  • [+] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago

    Probably the most easiest software to replace: LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Collabora...

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    That's a quality headline rewrite.

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    [–] [S] 124 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Disclaimer: I wrote "idiot" to describe someone who paid for the product not because they're actually idiots, but it's because Microsoft is treating them like that: their official solution on the website is "simply subscribe to the latest and greatest or buy a new "perpetual" license to office 2024 to continue using what you paid for"

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Nah I think you summed it up pretty well. People who bought an overpriced machine, and then decided they'd run overpriced software on it. Two companies I wouldn't touch with a galaxy sized pole. If they didn't learn anything from them before this, they will be as described.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children)

    i think people should be able to live peacefully as idiots without being fucked over by greedy corpos but thats just me i guess

    no, actually, STOP BLAMING THE IDIOTS YOU FUCKING DOUCHEBAG. HELP THEM MAKE BETTER CHOICES IF YOURE SO GODDAMN MUCH BETTER THAN THEM.

    i hate your antisocial holier than thou attitude

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    You going to make it?

    When you try, they just laugh. They're not going to verify anything. They do it on purpose. It is their fault.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    "people that are stupider than me, that's their fault"

    Whelp you heard it here first folks, apparently some people get to manually allocate IQ points before birth?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    Weird thing quotes are. Ignorance, which is what I was describing in this case is intentional.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    No the original commenter said idiot, with some caveats that it's not because the people are stupid, it's because they're being treated like idiots by the company, and you reply, yeah no actually they are just idiots

    You never wrote the word ignorance before now

    Bulshitt ass backpeddling. You have only written 'its their own fault' untill now. And then you try to act like 'oh my god dude I've only been referring to people keeping themselves wilfully ignorant...'

    Okay then fucking write out the words you mean instead of all this other horsecock that you apparently can't stand by.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You win, you are the best, have a good day.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    Jesus christ just apologize and move on how hard is it to say "yeah sorry that was a bit rude"

    Instead of this passive aggressive stinkpiece

    Have some dignity, please

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Lmfao go fuck yourself. That was a half hearted attempt to leave this alone. You came at me with personal attacks white-knighting for people I described as ignorant without using the word ignorant, tripled down and now you want an apology?

    Please tell me what ignorant means.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Fuck you too my man. The 'ignorant' thing is entirely a pivot. You've only mentioned it now after several comment doubling down on them being idiots and that's its their own fault.

    Being willfully ignorant and an idiot are entirely different things and had you said wilfully ignorant there would have been no discussion at all.

    And I'm not accepting you trying to act like I'm the unreasonable one for pointing out that what you wrote is a fucking asshole thing to say. And if you didn't mean it like, then that should've been clarified long ago, with a 'yeah that was a rude framing what i actually meant was this:'

    Instead of acting like you have been saying reasonable stuff all along, when no, you've only pivoted to a reasonable proposition now, in the face of criticism

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    It's not a pivot, it's expanding.

    If they didn't learn anything from them before this, they will be as described.

    Explain to me what being ignorant is

    Edit: and a reminder, we're arguing about words you put in my mouth.

    If you wanted an actual discussion you would have started one. This is my last reply.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Good job Microsoft!

    Meanwhile, in the few cases I need Excel, I just install Office 2013 in Wine. Dunno if any later version works correctly, don't even really care tbh

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Do people even bother pirating this shit? Surely they just use one of the many free alternatives that do exactly the same job?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I use LibreOffice and LibreOffice only. It does not do exactly the same job.

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    Microsoft is treating these losers the way they are asking to be treated.

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