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[–] 51 points 4 months ago (3 children)

We should call this what it is: the terms of America's surrender.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Full throated US capitulation, abject contrition, and a stack of blood money from here to the moon is the least we could do after we massacred Iranians for months in a fully improving conflict.

    Next, we should send Hegseth, Rubio, and every member of the Joint Chiefs who failed to retire to the Hague

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago

    Ngl, I've been rooting for Iran this whole time. I want America to get its ass kicked, it's not my country anymore, it's my jailer.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    He happily pays the 300b surender money and the even higher costs for refilliing American armories from taxpayers money, knowing well that the Epstein class does not participate in this taxpaying game, anyway.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    The bit everyone else seems to be missing. Just like with Iraq and Afghanistan, this war is happening on the backs of working class Americans.

    Nobody in TrumpWorld is paying a penny. Quite a few of them are cleaning up on Pentagon contracts.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Estimating this fiasco will cost at least $600B, that sits around $2000 per American. That doesn't even factor in the indirect costs like increased oil prices, decreased trade, and lost jobs. That lot sure is winning!

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    Imo, paying for reconstruction is the moral thing to do when there is no rational basis for a war. I have no idea whether $300b is the right amount.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The highest estimated cost by the OBM for universal healthcare in the US is $290B.

    Just gonna leave that here.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    So less then what we pay now? Or am I reading this wrong.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, it objectively has to be far, far less. Tax payers directly funding health providers would destroy a great amount of the demand for such a massive private health insurance industry, which is why we pay so much in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That would be an expected consequence.

    We have a dizzying maze of providers, insurance, and regulations that produce a horrible bureaucracy that puts any tangled mess the government comes up to shame, inefficiencies everywhere.

    Universal healthcare is just such a simpler system that it's hard to make it worse than what's going on right now.

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  • [+] -26 points 4 months ago* (20 children)

    no rational basis for a war

    It's a gay-hanging dictatorship with a religious doomsday wish looking to get nuclear weapons

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    As a fellow gay, I don't care. War is war and war is bad. Genocide is bad. How horrible the party you're opening a war against is doesnt change this.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I'm sure all the gay kids growing up there are feeling warm inside knowing you want them to see them swing in peace

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Just so we're clear, this is what you support

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Your post:

    no rational basis for a war

    It’s a gay-hanging dictatorship with a religious doomsday wish looking to get nuclear weapons

    indicates that you think there was a rational basis for war.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Well I thought that the war against IS had a rational basis as well. Does that make you say that means I 'support' all the innocent casualties?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    The difference here is that Iran's government got in power by a people's revolution. The Iranian people ousted the Shah and largely support their government. Of course there are voices critical inside because they're still facing oppression, but now from the revolution. However people are less likely to show tolerance and understanding when LGBTQ+ people are weaponised against their countries and when they see western LGTBQ+ people cheer for imperialist aggression against their countries makes, not more.

    If you truly care about the oppression of LGTBQ+ people what you should do is support peace and the hard work of agitating for more understanding and tolerance. As it stands a lot of people understand that the west and their imperialism is their enemy and a murder machine looking to devour them and if that machine then loudly cheers for gay rights they will think that this is to destroy their society as well. This is the reason that among other countries Russia states in support of their homophobia and Iran uses as well.

    You're not going to bomb people into being more tolerant. Mandatory revolutionaryth0t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgwPECzyeG4 They are very cool and correct.

    Also the war against ISIS was also a complete shit-show and failure. Look who's ruling Syria now. So many civilians dead and you have nothing to show for it. This is a pattern, and I can't actually believe that you haven't picked up on it. The USA claims to fight for but somehow that never comes to pass and instead a lot of people die for the profit of the epstein countries. Death to the USA and death to pissrael.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    largely support their government

    Source?

    Why do you think they had to kill all internal opposition?

    I think they may have 20% support or so. On a good day.

    Look who’s ruling Syria now

    Yeah...

    If you honestly believe that the Syrian people are worse off now or even close to how they would have been under ISIS... I think you're probably living a very sheltered life far, far away

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    hardly a day goes by where i don't post this:

    But also https://youtube.com/watch?v=HgwPECzyeG4

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    So then Isreal bombs Lebanon.

    This is the song that never ends...

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It isn't like he is going pay with his money.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    What matters to him is that he personally got richer with all the market manipulation. That's it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Good thing he has all these quality years of life left to enjoy that money

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's why if you noticed he has (somewhat) switched to slapping his name all over stuff. First term it was all advertising and business deals. But now he's trying to tie himself to the 250th anniversary, put his name all over every bill and building. It's his son's that are running all the insider trading deals and background economic tricks.

    He's dying and he knows it so he's trying to smear his stupid name all over before he goes.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    His fuck-trash and grand-fuck-trash will reap the rewards. We need to find away to take it all away from them and put them all away for decades. If not prison, then reeducation work camps. We will never get past this unless, ultimately, nobody ends up profitting from either of Trump's farcical administrations.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    America First!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Well done Mr. Trump. /s

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Keep in mind, any deal with Trump isn’t worth the paper it’s written on

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    If he gives them enough taxpayers’ cash, they may let him build a Trump Tower in Tehran, meaning that the House of Trump-Kushner theoretically wins.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And israel will adhere to none of it. It's too bad we don't invade them, dismantle the state, and free all the illegally detained prisoners of ethnic cleansing. Maybe when more boomers die out.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    So what happens when Israel doesn't stop? Iran could totally flatten Israel if Israel was abandoned by allies and US would never abandon Israel so seems like US will be pulled back in or have to get rid of Netanyahu right? This seems like it'll never end omg

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I wish they would hold out past November

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    So Trump is extra fucked in the midterms.

    It's not like Democrats are any less genocidal, they just pretend to be sorry about it. But I can't deny I'd take pleasure in seeing Trump lose, even if the other side isn't any better.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    dems wont save things this time, especially with so many dems siding with israel and the fumbling of the shutdown.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Oh I have no illusion that they will save anything at all. I will take pleasure in Trump's loss, not their victory. Then I'll attempt to do my part against their genocidal government just like I did under Biden.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago
    [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    LMAOF... MAGAs are so stupid

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    Yah, how did you expect the orange terd to respond once he lost??

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    what do you mean Trump? its not his money

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  • [–] 110 points 4 months ago (29 children)

    So we agree to:

    1. give them $1000 for every man woman and child in the US

    2. pull our military out of the Middle East

    3. let them sponsor terrorism across the region

    And in return, they agree to start negotiations

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    Are you tired of all this winning yet?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    America is a terrorist state. Screaming freedom all the time doesn't change the truth.

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  • [–] 54 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    watches the united states carpetbomb a country for no fuckin' reason

    "let them sponsor terrorism"

    man, americans can't see themselves, can they

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  • [–] 66 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    sponsor terrorism across the region

    That seems highly subjective; and given whom America supports, Iran my not seem like the worst sponsor in the region.

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Isreal is the modern terrorist organization, and they are hurting the whole world.

    That being said Hamas sucks too.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, man. You know that kid who threw the rock at his lifelong bully and torturer? ThEy'Re ThE SaMe kInD Of bAd.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    More like threw rocks at the bully’s little sister while she was at a concert and had nothing to do with the bully’s actions. Nothing wrong with resistance, but targets matter and in this case Hamas chose poorly and lost the optics advantage they could’ve had on the international stage. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Hamas didn't choose poorly per se; they didn't even know about the festival and the other places they attacked did have IDF bases that seemed to be the main targets. Now that doesn't excuse the atrocities committed during October 7th, but save for the hostage taking there's no evidence any of them were planned by Hamas leadership. Their real sin here is allowing these atrocities to happen and not cracking down on them before or after the fact. At the risk of repeating myself, October 7th did include plenty of war crimes, but it was more targeted than people give it credit for. To run with your analogy, it's like going to throwing rocks at the bully and also tossing some at their little sister because she happened to be there.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Its more like grabbing the little sister because the Bully has your dad, uncle and brother captive in what used to be your basement. So you take her as a bargaining chip up to the treehouse all the while the bully is indiscriminately pelting you with rocks. Hitting you and his own sister multiple times, while actively trying to collapse the treehouse holding you and his sister.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Its more like grabbing the little sister because the Bully has your dad, uncle and brother captive in what used to be your basement.

    Those are the hostages; I was referring to the other stuff (you know, the rapes and massacres and all that). A lot of what Hamas did on October 7th was pointless and unjustifiable and a lot was legitimate resistance against a colonial oppressor; there's no reason to ignore one part for the other.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not gonna lie, call me a psychopath, but I have a really REALLY hard time feeling bad for Israelis. And I know its a mixed bag and not everyone there is a racist, xenophobic, imperialist bigot, but yeah I really just don't give a damn.

    And you might say,

    "blah blah the US is the same, how would you feel if Native Americans started kidnappings people etc."

    And my response to that, as an American, would be,

    "Good. Took em fucking long enough."

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Not gonna lie, call me a psychopath, but I have a really REALLY hard time feeling bad for Israelis.

    Sure, but even then giving Zionists real facts to point to when they try to discredit the cause only helps them, making unnecessary war crimes actively detrimental. The fight with Israel will be won or lost based on international support (or lack thereof), which is why both sides try so hard to gain it for themselves and deny it to the other side. In a situation like this, parading dead bodies of civilians on video actively harms the Palestinian cause.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    let them sponsor terrorism

    ???

    Who were the terrorists in this exchange again?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Get back to me when the surrender document includes a US declaration of war against Israel.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    For reference, German reparations for WW1 were about $600B in today's dollars.

    WW1 was an actual war, something they keep denying here, so if the cost of 4 years of catastrophic war is only 2x absolutely no war, sounds like a bad deal.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    It makes sense because we did destroy boats and buildings.

    The triangle of Bermuda is open, so we attack Bermuda, they close the triangle, then we close it, then they sink some of the boats who wanted to cross. Then we stop our blockade and start begging and sucking their cock to negotiate. They sink a few more boats, we sink a few more boats. Then we beg again to open the triangle. They finally agree, but all boats can go thru if they pay passage entry. Then we blockade again. We tell the world that the agreement is almost ready with a few hours. Several months later we finally agree to go ahead and pay for the stuff we broke. They open the triangle again and we can again use it. That's sort of what I understand.

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