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[–] 147 points 4 months ago (55 children)

is that... did he... did he really say that?

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  • [–] 278 points 4 months ago (44 children)

    Per Newsweek article

    "Think of it, magnets," Trump said. "Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets. Why didn't they use John Deere? Why didn't they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere."

    Incoherent rambling like usual

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  • [–] 157 points 4 months ago (37 children)

    How. How is he THIS fucking stupid? How did someone THIS fucking stupid become president twice?

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  • [–] 116 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Many people are just as stupid as him.

    Our society prioritizes trash like nft startups instead of education

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago

    Many don't really get to hear him unfiltered. Around T1 I was watching Fox and they at best had a text snippet of something he said. Never extra text around the snippet and certainly not the audio. Still many do go and see him live.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Many are, but many Trump supporters started out smarter than him but they've dumbed themselves down to his level in order to continue their support, I guess.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    i think his supporters are stupider than he is, he has said how dumb republicans are on many occasion, but this almost never clicks with the voters, because these voters are likely never following up with his policies anyways.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Just look how stupid the average person is. Half of the people are more stupid. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The last few years have taught me that the difference between stupid and not stupid is oceans wider than I thought.

    I turns out stupid people are closer to what I thought the intelligence of an animal was.

    These people literally don’t think. They basically pattern match and that’s it. There’s no deeper reasoning. There’s no capacity for nuance, no understanding or extension of empathy. They can barely read. If you string the gibberish from an AI they’ll blindly trust that it’s correct above all evidence.

    Meanwhile we’re seeing all these nuanced multi step problem solving behaviours from birds and all animals and even bumblebees…

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I read something from someone on the internet who claimed to work with bear-proof garbage cans and apparently it’s harder than one might expect. There’s some overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest people.

    I’m sure the bears are more motivated, but still…

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    I think you mean then median person. ☝️🤓

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Can't speak for anyone else, but I was taught that mean, median, and mode are three different types of average.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Oh crap. Translating average to my language yields the same word as mean. But you're right.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Because mean means average. I wouldn’t consider the median or the mode to be an average. Not sure what that commenter means by different “types of average”.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Under a normal distribution/bell curve mean and median are the same.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Considering intelligence/stupidity isn't defined, it's a lot to assume that its distribution can be approximated by a Gaussian.

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  • [+] -14 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    He’s 80 and spent 6 of then as president. I don’t think you’d fare much better. Why blame a senile man rather than those who put him in place?l

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Because even before he was a senile old man, he was already a child raping con artist?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That makes him immoral, not stupid. I swear people on here will call anyone they don’t like stupid.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Are we just glossing over the fact he bankrupted a CASINO? The one business where the business model boils down to people give you money?

    There's many more examples of stupidity, but bankrupting a casino is god-teir stupid

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    My grandfather was 104 when he died and until he was about 95 and had a stroke he was still perfectly capable of tinkering around with his car and it still worked at the end of it. "Old" isn't an excuse, anyway we have documented evidence that he has been been a gormless idiot his whole life.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    If you actually look at the pattern, you will see it used everywhere. He is using the same words all the time.

    It's a kind of rambling that people recognize now, and you could have a stranger guess that it was Donald Trump who said this just from the semantics of the words.

    At this point I know (roughly) what he is going to say before he says it. :)

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  • [+] -16 points 4 months ago*

    He said he would drop the glass on the magnets, not put them underwater. You can demagnetize a permanent magnet by violently striking it in the absence of a background field.

    I'm not saying he's good, but I don't think he's entirely wrong.

    Don't know why they didn't use John Deere though.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    He was talking about electromagnets at sea ships... Because the sea-water would short them.

    But then, it's almost as stupid as the short version.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    When ever you think something sounds too stupid even for trump. No you didn't.

    His stupidity is his defining characteristic among his voters. For the wealthy and powerful, he's an easily manipulable rube. For the poor saps he says the same stupid things they think and say. He's just like them, so relatable!

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    And just in case anyone thinks that's AI, ABC News vetted it as being true here (in the body, not the video).

    I know why voting records can't be public, but I simultaneously wish they had to be too. As an appropriately-colored scarlet letter.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    It sounds shocking until you remember Americans are dumb as shit. I have to keep reminding myself of this to make any sense of the absolute dystopian nightmare that somehow they support.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Whenever I think about magnets I remember this Feynman interview where someone asks him why magnets behave the way they do, and he says that to answer a "why"-question you need a foundation where something is agreed to be true, and it seems like for electromagnetic forces we end up in " because that's how the universe is apparently".

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Sure, but between nothing and the axioms of the standard model we end up with a fairly comprehensive description which can predict how different kinds of magnets behave in a wide variety of situations.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's knowing how to use it, not how it works.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No, the theory of electromagnetism and by extension physics in general is knowing how it works. How to use it is engineering, a different set of knowledge which we also have some of.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I think they mean more the difference between what rules it follows and why it follows those rules. It sounds like we know more about the "what" but not much about the "why" for magnets (or any of the fundamental forces).

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Feynman was a bit pedantic sometimes.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That is sort of how the universe operates though. You can have a greater and greater understanding of the underlying principles of physics but eventually you do get to "that just how it is". Why is there no such thing as a negative photon, apparently we just can't have a negative excitation in the photon field, no one knows why.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I mean one of the points he's making there comes up in every good science class: science doesn't answer 'why' it answers 'how'. The goal of science is to describe what we see in the world; science less about explaining things. Its easy to do without being a pedant. He's absolutely being pedantic on camera in that clip.

    Like if you look at how people treat science now: MAGA completely pissing on it because its funded by snake oil people. Rich guys like Elon Musk cynically using it as a way to bilk the public and government. The press just has different goals than the scientific community and I would say that clip showed some of that friction manifest.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Yeah. Each time we think we've got it, there's another hole to dig deeper.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    With a lot of things:

    You start off with no knowledge, and it’s a big mystery.

    You gain some knowledge and feel like you have understanding.

    You gain a lot more knowledge and you learn how much more there is that isn’t known.

    The President is either at stage 1 or stage 3, take your pick.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    No he's at stage 0. He has no knowledge but he doesn't investigate he just makes things up and then says that.

    We're talking about the person who thought that stealth planes were physically invisible.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    Feynman must be rolling changing the spin orientation in his grave.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I guess those spinning magnetic pills one puts in beakers over a magnetic hot plate in chemistry labs are all an empirical hoax then.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Those are stir bars.

    That they're magnetic is propaganda to push magnetic field bunk to sell more so-called "magnets". Stir bars are moved by phlogiston, which is why the liquid medium is often heated in tandem.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Please tell me you forgot the /s ....

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Haha, 100%. I'm a scientist, I haven't believed in phlogiston in years!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Another phlogiston denier in an ivory tower. Tell me then, how does fire work?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    JFC, how many times do I need to explain the workings of luminiferous aether?

    /s

    Serious time: we actually did briefly learn about all types of debunked theories in university, but as a component of the historical progression of contemporary theories.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh my god a real luminiferous aether believer. Basically christian theology. How fucking convenient for you, father.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Hey now, if you can tell me how light travels between two points without being facilitated by an entirely undetectable medium, I'm ALL ears.

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    [–] 11 points 4 months ago*

    It isn't just that Trump is a dumbass, being uneducated and "stupid" aren't what makes Trump worthy of hatred and endless namecalling. Simply not knowing things does not make you a fascist.

    It is the complete lack of curiosity people like Trump have that I despise more than ignorance, it is violently antithetical to the basic reasons I love science and the pursuit of understanding the world. I am curious, I ask questions, I don't just accept shit that people say because they say it a lot.

    Trump hates people like me because we can walk all over him on basically any topic whereas people like me hate Trump because he does not desire to know anything beyond what he is forced to know.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Smart people will always admit when they aren't sure about something.

    Idiots always know everything

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The lodestones have always been, nobody knows their origin, or how they work. /s

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder if we could engineer some material that does fulfill his spec. Magnetic in air, loses magnetic properties underwater, regains them when out of the water...

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