I am working on windows 10 currently. I was wondering if MX Linux could be installed directly from online. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

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[–] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Strictly speaking yes, but only if you have more than one hard drive. You'd need some technical expertise, because it's not a normal thing to do.

In reality, you would be better off buying the cheapest USB storage you can find (which should be cheaper than the cost to post it to you, these days) and turning that into an installer

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You don't even need another hard drive. I followed a different set of instructions years ago just to say I did it.

    https://linuxvox.com/blog/reinstall-ubuntu-from-terminal/

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    I wonder.... could risk live repartitioning, and creating a partition for the bootable install media and another to install to... [0] and manage to jiggle the bios (and/or whatever bootloader) to boot into that partition, same as if booting from dvd or usb, and proceed to install from there... as ever, and especially with a move like live repartitioning, backup everything first. ... though, backup to where... if a meagre usb pendrive's considered too pricey, it seems unlikely there's adequate backup capacity around. ... or maybe just yet to encounter (and thus appreciate) the utility of a (or two) usb pendrive(s)? It has posed an interesting challenge though, once the usb pendrive hand is tied behind our back. And presumably dvd install's not direct from online enough either. ... Virtualbox's direct from online, without even rebooting.. though then that's just in your virtualbox, nor running direct on metal. ... Sorry, rambling broadly about the op question here, instead of specifically replying to that reply.

    [0:... Though as I think of that my brain starts shouting "just install gentoo". No, brain. That's not what op asked for.]

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Yes you can. However, if you are not familiar with systems administration then you will experience much more difficulty than just using the USB method.

    Whatever you do, backup all of your important files and data from Windows before you attempt anything. To be extra safe create a Windows recovery USB.

    After you have backed up important things then just read as much as you can regarding your OS of choice, like MX, and then try it. Having a second source of internet for any problems that may arise is recommended, like a smartphone.

    And then try it. My first foray into Linux dealt me about a week of struggles before I got ot working. That was 20 years ago and thing have gotten better since then.

    You will struggle at first. You may even fail a few times, but the feeling of accomplishment and the freedom of having an OS that allows you to do what you want and not what a corporation deems profitable is priceless. You will enjoy that feeling.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    What is the reason you want to do it specifically this way?

    I think if you want a very easy solution, then this might actually be the answer you are looking for:

    Get an USB stick. Then download the program called Unetbootin . Open the program. It has a list of all Linux distributions out there. I'd say choose Linux Mint. I'm using OpenSuSE Tumbleweed, and am very happy with it as well.

    Then in the bottom of the Unetbootin screen, choose your USB stick and press the install button. After that reboot your computer from that USB stick and things will be rolling just fine! :)

    You'll be creating the USB stick with almost zero effort. It works and it's easy.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    Are you talking about a pendrive ?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    I guess that's the word, yes.

    A thingy you plug into an USB port for saving files on it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    A pendrive is a pretty expensive item. Nevertheless, it's probably the best method to install Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    New ones are something like 64 GB and do indeed cost some 8 € or so, but since you only need some 4 GB, you can find a used one for 0,50 € or so :)

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's said that €5 isn't a lot of money, but a standard pendrive wouldn't come less than ₹700-800, and that's a lot of money.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's what I guessed and decided to talk about the 8 € as big money. Because when I was living in Ukraine, where some people had a monthly salary of 70 €, it was indeed big money.

    But anyway, you can get a used pendrive for 40 INR for sure. No need to pay 700 for a new one with 64 GB, if a used one with 4 GB suffices for your needs :)

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    PXE / Net boot / install is a thing but that's not really meant for Linux noobs. Often times it's something IT departments do to install the same OS image on multiple systems on the same network (not just Linux, Windows and others can do this too). I've never attempted to do that over the internet so can't say much else about that process.

    Being this is linux4noobs I suspect you're just talking about one system being installed, a regular USB install would be far more feasible in your use case. You're kind of going straight into hard mode attempting more advanced types of installs.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    :3

    1st step:

    Install gentoo (stage3).

    2nd step:

    Hijack with bedrock.

    3rd step:

    Fetch any debian or devuan.

    4th step:

    Change repos & add things

    Ta-da!

    ;D

    Now your MX Linux, installed "directly" online, also has gentoo and bedrocklinux capabilities too. ;)

    More "sane"(?) methods may exist, but just for breadth-of-possibilities and whimsy, I offered this alternative route. ;)

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    Back on the day, I was able to coerce the Windows bootloader into chainloading GRUB, which then launched a netboot kernel and initrd for Ubuntu that contained the CLI installer. I don't know if that's still possible, but I only needed one hard drive for it and it worked great until the laptop sadly melted itself to death several years later (it had a desktop P4 in a 14-inch laptop chassis, so I was surprised it took that long to die).

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Do you want to run specific apps, or see what the desktop UI looks like?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I want MX Linux as the heart of all my work.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'd just download an iso, carefully dd it to a small USB pendrive, boot into it, run the installer, installing to the main drive (or another larger usb). I wonder... many ways one could accomplish this with help of a virtual machine intermediary stage.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Its not something I would want to do because if something goes wrong I want the physical media to boot off of regardless of its a cd or usb device.

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Others are answering what you technically asked, but I think that's not what you're looking for. What you need is a 'live USB version', you run it from a usb stick and can try it without installing anything in your main drive.

    Here is the link to the page with the links in mxlinux.com.

    Now you have to make another decision, which desktop you want to use. Mx Linux's got three, xfce (known for being less demanding on resources), kde (bit windows-like, not that resource hungry either. It's worth a try), and Fluxbox (I don't know anything about this one). You might as well download and try the three of them. Just flashing them to the usb to try another.

    Now the process. First you need one or more iso files (downloaded from trustable sources like the one from mxlinux.org itself, you also can check the checsum, but maybe too nerd just yet), a USB stick (probably 16gb or even 8 could be enough, but I'm not sure exactly. Pick a fast one if you can, it'll feel quite snappier. THE DATA IN THE DRIVE WILL BE LOST), and Rufus (this is a program to flash the iso into the usb stick).

    Now read the pages I linked, and maybe follow the links there for explanations, I cannot tell you how to use rufus since it's been ages since I've touched it, but it's not so hard. May get a couple tries to flash the iso into a bootable usb (meaning the computer can boot or start running the os in that drive) but you've got this! Run rufus and flash one of the isos into the usb stick.

    Now try to boot it. Look up how to get into your 'boot menu' (preferable if available, and it works. But it might not..) or 'bios setup' on the internet. It depends on the brand and model. You'll have to turn it off, and push some key just immediately after turning it on again, with your flashed usb stick plugged. If we're lucky you must see some text menu that lets you chose it to boot, and you'll be running Linux in a few seconds, hopefully.

    Now when you're ready to install one of them into your computer's drive you have two options, dual booting keeping windows and putting also Linux for which you'll need a free partition or ssd for it, or if you are convinced of getting rid of windows for good just chose the easy formatting options while installing and that'll be it (THE DATA IN THE DRIVE WILL BE LOST).

    If something doesn't go as planned or you have any doubts don't hesitate to make follow up questions, it's normal if you have to repeat some steps or search the internet to troubleshoot something, but Linux has become super easy to install and use (it really is much worse with windows or Mac..) so good luck and welcome to Linux!

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    The question is confusing, what exactly do you mean by "directly from online"? Just click a button in a web browser and it will install the entire distro? If so, pretty sure the answer is no; if you imagine something else, please clarify.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    That’s how I interpreted the statement.

    Open web browser

    Click install

    Files down load and install. Computer reboots with Linux os installed on hard drive

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like you should be able to do this tbh.

    I can basically do this from Linux. I could build a disk image and extract it right onto my disk and reboot and be in that new system. It would take some work to get right, but it's basically how the rpi images work.

    I think your biggest issue is making sure enough utilities were loaded in ram that you could finish the extraction before the system crashes cause you've deleted some important utilities.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The answer is no, because you'd need windows to allow your Linux installer to take over top runtime privilege and modify live partitions while mounted and in use. While i guess it's technically possible, it's so much of a hassle i wouldn't even want to start considering it.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think you are right. A little bit of research seems to show that windows doesnt allow such things.

    On Linux you could make a ramdisk with like BusyBox and your new image (or new image on some other drive) pivot_root then overwrite the entire boot disk to some other disk image.

    It would be a bit hairy, but could be done

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Theoretically it could be done. Microsoft SCCM has allowed in-place full reimaging for a long time. It downloads a WinPE boot image (which loads everything into a RAM disk), reboots into that, and launches all of the rest from there. Even wiping and repartitioning the drive.

    I don't see why that WinPE image couldn't be replaced by a small Linux image, or that you could install Linux from WinPE. I've just never seen it.

    That said, no browser should ever have that level of permissions, ever, under any circumstances. The security problems would be staggering.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Well this way you're writing a boot image to the bootloader right? I mean you're replacing the usb stick with extra steps but it's not like you're running from the installed windows. You are rebooting into something else.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What's your use case? If you want to replace Windows on your device then the answer is not really, however, if you just want a Linux shell then you can pretty much one click install a Linux distro inside of Windows with WSL2

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Currently my windows 10 is running on 4gb ram. At least MX Linux would be better in this case ??

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    TFTP is fine for LAN, but very inefficient for sending bulk data over the Internet.

    To keep things as simple as possible, TFTP sends one packet at a time, waiting for a response before sending the next packet. If your ping is 50 ms, the that's 20 whole packets per second. (That's assuming zero packet loss, otherwise it will be even slower.)

    For historical reasons, the packet size is locked to 512 useful bytes. That puts the transfer speed at 10 kB/s (80 kbps), which is faster than dialup but not by much.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    You can download a Linux distribution from the Internet, but you must use a tool like Balena-Etcher or Ventoy to "mount" that distribution (typically in the form of a .iso file) to an external media, like a USB flash drive. Then, you'd boot your system into that USB to install the Linux distribution to your machine.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think there is, the closest would be a net install release but MX doesn't appear to offer that.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think - and believe me, it wouldn’t be the first time I encounter this - that OP assumes Linux is like an app in Windows or Mac. Ao, grossly oversimplifying, Windows, MacOS and Linux are today’s most popular operating systems. An Operating System or OS is software that sits all alone directly on top of the hardware; therefore, a computer has only 1 OS. These are not interchangeable either, ie you cannot run Linux as an app in Windows or vice versa. Now, what you can do is download an image of any OS online. An image is in the end just a storage device copied into a zip file with a bit of extra data, that you can “unpack” back onto a storage device that can be used to boot your computer, just like windows.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Which would be the most convenient way to install MX Linux ?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Make a bootable USB with your distro of choice. To do that download the .iso file and use a tool like balena etcher to write that iso to a flash drive (4 GB is usually enough for this). Be aware doing this wipes everything off the flash drive so back up anything important. Reboot the computer and mash esc, f1, f2, f11, f12 (those are the most common ones I've noticed). You should either pop up into the bios or into a boot selection process. If you're in the bios just tell it to go to a boot menu, if you're in the boot menu pick your flash drive and run through the steps there.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    I would start trying it out. Download the image, get an empty usb stick of serious size (32GB or more, up from 8 should be no problem though if you can find it) and use eg Rufus Disk Imagerto install it on the usb stick. When done, restart the computer i to the bios or boot menu (look at the message when starting, f1 f2 del or enter should drop you into bios, f12 on some computers drops you straight into a boot menu).
    Feom bios go to boot menu, from boot menu to usb stick and select the option “boot from usb stick”.
    Note the login and password should be in the documentation close to the image.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    I think this really highlights a gap in Linux adoption. This makes me wonder how many people would install Linux if they could just click one button in their web browser to guide them through the process of replacing Windows.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Ubuntu used to offer a tool that was only a bit more involves than that

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    the wubi installer. i remember that. installed ubuntu inside a container file and added boot entry so could choose at boot time. yea, that was never really supported when it was offered but it mostly worked.

    endless os does have that option yet today. and it does work--with some caveats: it's slow af with a hdd. well, immutable distros in general are, but this install method just makes it worse. and your windows c: cannot be encrypted (e.g. bitlocker). also be aware that the next version (endless 7) that's in development will change pretty much everything 'under the hood' that makes endless what it is, as they're moving from their customized gnome and in-house immutable debian base to an immutable based on gnome os itself.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm going to guess that users lost their files and complained, so Canonical stopped trying to make it easy enough for those users to try.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    probably lack of volunteers to make it uefi compatible, and not worth putting paid talent on an optional feature used by a really, really small number of people. bitlocker-as-default would have broke it for good anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    There used to be a thing called Wubi. Allowed you to install Ubuntu basically like a program/app. It's how I first got into it. I'd tried a little before, but Wubi allowed me to turn my little netbook it's a Linux machine because it didn't have a CD drive. It was great. I've never really understood why that couldn't be done again. Lowered to bar to entry a great deal.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    The issue here is if you can't be unassed to learn how to install Linux what are you going to do when you have problems. There's a web installer for GrapheneOS it could probably be used as an entry point for someone to create the same for a.distro.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No, the point is that we should ensure that people can use Linux without needing deep technical support.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Who's we, you got a mouse in your pocket?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sometimes. But I felt that I could talk for more than just myself.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think it could work if it was a paid or had a service contract that insures support from creator so the person can have someone to help diagnose and correct things for a few months after install. Like I said in my initial comment GrapheneOS made it work but they only support a few generations of Pixel hardware desktop Linux supports most hardware going back 30 odd years it would be a nightmare.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yep similar to steam os / steam deck. It's really good user experience, ticks all the boxes of what a lot of linux evangelists claim the windows will all want to switch to . It's even surprisingly usable in desktop mode (with mouse and keyboard).

    That's what you can do with linux on defined hardware and with a dedicated team paid by a fairly large corpo making cash out of the users.

    But the linux user base is way more diverse than that - not everyone is going to want graphene , or steamOS type thing. especially not just to pander to windozers.

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    if i remember correctly, if you use balena etcher, you can flash an usb stick without first downloading the ISO, using the url

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Adding to the already excellent answers: there is such a thing as WebFAI: https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-WebFAI.tuxedo . In short, it is a web-based tool to pick and install your distro of choice.

    I do not think that it will be helpful for OP, as MX is apparently not being offered. You may need a Tuxedo laptop for it as well. Hopefully other readersl will have a TIL moment though.

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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Yes, what you're looking for is called netboot. It is primarily meant for LAN use, but it is possible to grab an iso from the internet and boot it without leaving the UEFI environment.

    https://netboot.xyz/ makes it kinda easy and nice

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    in most cases, still 'downloading' something to boot to initially. might as well just make a usb installer. i also had zero luck with any usb keyboards working with netboot.xyz when i tried using it on a 7th gen optiplex, had to steal borrow a ps/2 one.

    debian has a great netinst image that has most the drivers and firmwares needed to install debian over the network on pretty much anything. debian's installers were also the only installers (of a dozen or more i tried at one time) that worked 'out of the box' with my particular usb wifi for a net install.

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