Regretful cities aren't sure how to cancel their surveillance contracts, so they are literally covering their cameras.

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[–] 181 points 5 months ago (15 children)

I 100% guarantee that "deactivated" cameras are still operational. It's just not the City getting the data.

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  • [+] 76 points 5 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Really though, don't do the precious metals part, cuz that's what will get you caught. Carefully destroying them? Very doable, I strongly suspect.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The precious metals content realistically isn't interesting at all unfortunately. You could make a bit reselling the internal components (like probably not even 3 digits), but the value on the actual copper/etc is negligible. The solar panel is probably the most interesting piece, but the components are cheap as fuck.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    They don't just collect video either. Audio, network traffic, Bluetooth devices, tons of electronic intelligence can still be gotten with covered cameras

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    seems like they should use those metallic ballon type bags.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Don't think they'll do much against the audio, but that seems like it won't be much use by itself. Though that doesn't matter, it's the principle that matters, they shouldn't be allowed to record audio like that no matter how useless it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    figured more for wireless stuff. I was under the impression mylar acted like a faraday cage. also I imagine the crinkled reflection would be that much more annoying for the camera. I bet it would crinkle a bit to distorting noise stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I don't know how, but I bet there's an enterprising way to make a nice cheap battery powered Bluetooth scrambler that can be stuck right on one of those poles with a magnet and just absolutely ruin their signals.

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  • [–] 110 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Fun fact the panel, inverter, and battery set up in these do not have any tracking features, that's all in the internals for the camera controller. It's enough to charge any smart phone or tablet if someone you know is living outside and should have a need of that. You do not need anything more than a Philips head screwdriver for most versions, and a security bit for others, both of which you can have for pennies at any hardware store.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If you cut the solar panel wire at night, no one will know when it happened.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Charge controllers detect open circuit connections, so it will very likely be in a log when suddenly the controller has an open circuit on the input terminals.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They also include SIM cards that come with a Flock-funded data plan.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Bring an all metal tool box to put the camera in it. Instant faraday cage.

    Best to open it somewhere that is not frequented by you though, then you can remove the battery and other useful stuff for recycling.

    Or just throw the whole thing in the nearest dumpster and let the garbage company take care of it.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago

    Makes them more easily identifiable so they can be properly disposed of.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    One step away from being relocated to their actual destination: the bin.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    honestly idk why they bothered covering them. just disconnect them... as long as they aren't damaged I doubt flock could seek anything on it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    They have solar panels and batteries, they aren't connected to anything.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    This is why you don't sign contracts without an obvious out.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You can 100% remove them with a baseball bat.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (15 children)

    Why aren't they just... Removing them?

    Oh. Its probably because removing them is unnecessarily complicated so they need the company to come do it for them.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You don't have to worry about a complicated removal if you have an angle grinder.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    on a totally unrelated topic, but harbor freight is a great place to get affordable tools.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    If you had read the article you'd know that the cities aren't sure if they can remove them under the terms of their contracts with flock. So they're covering them while working that out.

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    I've heard the excuse that they're private property so they can't. They're not hard to remove though. They're usually just attached to poles with pipe clamps.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm not so sure about that because even if they are privately owned, that doesn't mean they have the inherent right to be mounted on a city pole. The property isnt harmed by removing them from the pole and storing them in a deep underground bunker infested with Hanta Virus rats, black widows, and alligators.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Do also the other thing, where you brake it apart. Same thing, but it's permanently.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    I read the beginning of the title as "Cities are Cowering" and now I think it could easily be a part of an alternate title.

    Like your the damn government... Just remove the devices, tell Flock where they can pick them up in the next two weeks otherwise they will be sold as is on open market and pay the termination fee or potential lawsuit. Cities get sued like all the time and I am confident even a moderately competent lawyer could find a cheap way out.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    the city was sharing Flock camera data for immigration enforcement

    Ah, these are in American cities.

    apparently on accident,

    Oh yes, definitely American.

    (Yes I know I skipped over the part about Ohio)

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    This is an better idea. I was going to shoot them with a paintball gun.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    iirc, paintball marker is slightly translucent, right? So maybe like...a sticker?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Some of the cameras by me are a little high up, which is why initially I thought paintball.

    I bet I could fly a drone with a trash bag over it though.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Good. That’s where they belong.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Cool Hand Luke has a tutorial

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'd like to think that the bag is step 1. Step 2 is to balance an old car tire on top, and set it on fire.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I love the theatrics of it, but surely something less polluting can achieve the same results

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*
    1. City installs trash bags because they're contractually obligated to keep the devices installed and powered on
    2. Someone hosts an impromptu Office Space fan meetup, with a fun reenactment of the printer scene
    3. City sees this, responds with an obvious but legally non-actionable tweet response suggesting it continue (e.g. "Fartsburg loves Mike Judge films, too! So nice to see our citizens enjoying the various forms of recreation and socialization ths city has to offer."), along with some conspicuously-placed garbage cans near all of the cameras' installed locations.
    4. ???
    5. (No) Profit. (for Flock)
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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Trash bags just do that sometimes...

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Isn't this a problem that a can of spray paint can solve?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Use spray on flex seal instead, and go with the black one. It sticks better, and it can only be noticed by the lack of reflection from the lens. The police are unlikely to notice, because they rarely use flock by checking a specific camera (they typically just search the whole system for specific vehicles, from a map view), and if no one reports it it can go unfixed indefinitely

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Or

    Put a fucking bullet in it. Or ~100. Birdshot should do nicely.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Sure, but then it's a lot easier to notice it's broken. It also makes a lot of noise, shooting a gun; a spray can is near silent.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It also can't be cleaned off as fast as paint, and costs more to replace.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Article reminded me that some people say "by accident" (me) and some say "on accident" (my cousins).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I'm surprised Dayton is doing even that. It's a low bar, sure, but it's also Dayton.

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    Dayton represent.

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    I wonder how safe the poles are, compared to well tested road signs that are up. Those easily break off when hit. Will you end up with a solar panel through your windshield in an accident? I feel like one good lawsuit could make Flock have to replace every one of them if a lawyer can convince 12 people that they are a physical danger.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Just read the headline. Good

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    News to me. I wonder when, if ever, I will see this in real life.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    You don't have any trash bags?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I've never seen anyone covering Flock cameras nor have I ever seen an average person break a minor law without severe live-ruining repercussions. I have only ever heard of rich people breaking major laws without repercussions.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You don't hear about it because they haven't been caught. Then again, we're talking about covering up a camera... 🤔

    Wear a mask and clothing you have never been seen in before that you can dispose of afterward. Maybe use stilts so they'll be looking for a really tall fucker.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago

    If it’s already paid for might as well use them, what a waste of tax dollars. Or at least hit them with a bat and break them if you actually plan on not using them anymore. Covering them with plastic bags allows them to walk it back whenever they feel like it.

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    So tired of local officials that are so disdainful of protests against their corrupt actions that they’ve willingly and gleefully gone into the ridiculously cartoonish fascism part of capitalism that all the books warned us about. Sorry you don’t like the people who show up to your town halls and city planning meetings, but your job is to listen and if you don’t like it, go be corrupt somewhere else, there’s obviously plenty of options.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So I'm going to guess you didn't read the article....but in this ONE specific case it's actually the police and city covering the cameras until they're removed. The residences were pissed about data to ice...

    Fuck flock fuck Ice and fuck anyone supporting these Nazis

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I actually did read it and I was specifically saying this is about how they were warned BEFORE signing those contracts for the cameras and went ahead anyway, and eventually came to the same conclusions as the concerned citizens that warned them in advance.

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