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[–] 68 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Love it.

Just kinda sucks that your rights are dependent on your zip code here in the US.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Minorities have had to deal with this since about the 1500s.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know, I don't think we had zip codes in the 1500s...?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, personally I'm glad I at least have rights in my state rather than being stuck with the lowest common denominator of bigoted shitbag decision making.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm glad for you.

    Still shitty that so many in this country don't.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Thankfully we can at least provide somewhere to go for many of them, and we will continue to serve as a rallying point for developing better policy at the national level when the opportunity arises.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    family/neighborhood/city/state/country/empire/hemisphere/world. Always weird to me where people draw the line. Bigger means more folks get to say what your rights are. Smaller means less people get the widely agreed rights.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Well, if every state had the same laws we wouldn't have a fallback position. We thankfully have the option of pushing to change federal law when the opportunity arises, but as we've seen since the election there's a degree of flimsiness there. Having strong state-level legislation in places where it isn't too controversial preserves better policy through bad administrations. We can continue to serve as an example and build support, and it gives people somewhere to go if they need to get out of their own states.

    Without more atomic and variable state laws, it would be much harder to make real progress at a national level. The EU's model of smaller nations banding together lends itself to a similar strategy. It means you can build consensus at the local level, show that what you want works, and build out from there.

    I'd love to see more of the policies we have locally applied to a national level, but they certainly wouldn't get there if we didn't have a more isolated arena in which to develop them. Conservatives can take advantage of localized political development too, but they lack the benefit of not being evil.

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  • [–] [S] 161 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (35 children)

    The power to create and limit corporations has been the exclusive power of States for 200 years and upheld multiple times in SCOTUS.

    Lets fuckin GO!

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  • [–] 73 points 5 months ago (34 children)

    Devils advocate:

    You're also sure it will be upheld under this SCOTUS?

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    SCOTUS will not have time for this before the midterms. So still a win for now.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    The "Shadow docket" says hi.

    In this instance it isn't law yet so I doubt there will be a rush to get to the SCOTUS yet, but the shadow docket is their favorite go-to with this administration to rush through whatever ruling they deem will help Republicans important.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (29 children)

    Obviously not but wtf are they gonna do about it? They can't reign in a senile clown. As if they're gonna do anything California or New York gives a fuck about at this point.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (28 children)

    What are they going to do?

    "Corporations are people as per already established rulings."

    "Political contributions are considered speech as per already established rulings."

    "Hawaii is taking away poor poor corporations right to free speech under the first amendment, therefore it's unconstitutional and will be made null and void. Have fun shoveling money at your chosen candidates corporations! Don't forget my paycheck!"

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (27 children)
  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    Not sure what the downvotes are for unless they just don't like having a video as a response.

    I'm a bit confused on the language because he says the state the corporation was created in give them their rights, so wouldn't any corporation not from that state be able to spend anyway?

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (22 children)
  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    I’m not a defeatist. I called you out for spamming, which you were, cause a mod deleted your spam and the comments where you were insulting me and others.

    Your modlog is public. If you lie about it, everyone can see that you lied.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 5 months ago* (21 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, there’s only like three hundred people here and we all know each other.

    It’s why I like this place, it’s small and tight-knit, which means people are usually incentivized to be nice to each other.

    Usually.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Right there with you, I can be harsh and was to them, but that’s only after I think it’s been demonstrated they don’t care about anything than jamming their singular point down everyone’s throat just like that library full of books that ain’t been colored yet upthread

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Even now, I’m showing them patience and grace. I wish they’d let me alone though.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I’m fucking watching you dude, a far more patient person than I and I laud you for it

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I am the tiredest of all the ladies.

    And I’m telling tech support while trying to keep this guy from being outright banned.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Far from me to tell you what to do, but you do owe yourself some grace and you’ve done far more than your fair share here. If they are determined to act the way they do and won’t listen to anyone they probably should be banned for the community

    Edit: but to be clear I respect the fuck out of your grit

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 5 months ago* (12 children)
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Yeah, I didn’t follow you around. Lemmy is just small.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 5 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Hi, this is who you’re talking to. I’m actually quite concerned with why you’re being so mean to me.

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  • [+] [S] -5 points 5 months ago* (10 children)
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Look, your head is small and there’s not enough room in here for me and all my things. I know there’s no rent and such, but I hope it’s okay if I move out. Living in your head rent-free just isn’t fun.

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  • [+] [S] -5 points 5 months ago* (9 children)
  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

    You’re not going to save American democracy by calling other leftists assholes.

    Look, I haven’t blocked anybody on Lemmy and I’m not about to start now.

    Just, be good, please? Just follow the rules, be civil, and participate with a good heart in this space the same as the rest of us?

    I’ve said not one mean thing about you, never called you a swear and never said anything with an ill intent. None of my comments were removed cause they followed the rules. Meanwhile, the mods in /c/politics are quite frustrated with you, because you kept on breaking rule three, which is to be kind and civil. It’s all in your modlog.

    I get that you’re in Canada, judging by your username and your instance, but I’m not sure you get how truly bad it is down here. The last thing we need is for someone swearing at us and saying mean things. We’re trying to survive, we’re trying to thrive, and we’re doing our best with the limited resources and power we’ve got.

    Stop calling people like me assholes, simply because we point out that you’re breaking community rules.

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  • [+] [S] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Canconda said, before deleting their comment:

    America is cooked.

    This is true.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yup. I accidentally hit enter and knew you would accuse me of a ninja edit if I finished the comment.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You said something true and you said it without lashing out and you only said it once.

    Keep doing that.

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  • [+] [S] -5 points 5 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    One day, you might meet me. When that day comes, if that day comes, I hope you are nicer in real life than you are online.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    IRL I would ignore you and walk away. You're antagonizing me and a shitty person for doing so.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    If me being polite to you is causing you to be mean to me, that’s not my problem.

    Just put the personal attacks away on the internet, yeah?

    I’m not gonna be able to reply to this cause I have a gig tonight, between the driving, the setup, the stage time, and the collapsing in a heap afterward.

    Be good. You can do it.

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  • [+] [S] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Look, if taking the blame for this will get you to shape up and stop dealing insults and anger and such, I will gladly enter a guilty plea, but I do worry about you.

    Please be good.

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  • [+] [S] -5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)
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  • [–] 55 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Meanwhile, Delaware is making it so corporations can vote there.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That just means they're desperate for votes ;)

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of companies are Delaware companies despite not being in Delaware.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 5 months ago

    Likely due to state corporate taxes.

    These state restrictions/etc on corporate powers are for all corporations who operate in the state regardless of what state they were originally incorporated in.

    So AFACT any corporation can vote in delaware, not just delaware based ones.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Absolutely based. Great job Hawaii!

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    It is in conference committee now, one step away from Gov. Josh Green’s (D) desk.

    Note that the bill is out of conference committee now (with these changes) and was signed on 14 May.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who doesn’t speak legalese, are the changes significative? Does everything written in the article still apply?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I think so. There's just one significant change that I don't think affects the main goal.

    The law said that corporations had artificial-person rights, "the same powers as an individual to do all things necessary or convenient to carry out its business and affairs", including (but not limited to) those in a list. _Citizens United _ basically tacked electoral spending onto that list. The original bill would make the law say "[corporations will only have these rights that we say and nothing else]" followed by the original list. The version that was signed is much more like the original law; it said corporations had artificial-person rights other than electoral spending including (but not limited to) those in the original list.

    There was also a later amendment that changed the effective date from 1 January to 1 July.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    …being honest I didn’t really understand what the change entails but thanks anyway, I’m sure someone else with more knowledge in US law will find the answer useful!

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago

    Shit's getting wild.

    Delaware says corporations can vote.

    Hawaii says corporations can go fuck themselves lol

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    How very ridiculous, now watch how the feds will bend over backwards to keep Citizens United and corporate cash; it's been a windfall for our poor beleaguered representatives who just need money even though they already make more than the vast majority of their constituents.

    Good job, Hawaii, thank you! (will the governor even sign? let's watch)

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    (will the governor even sign? let's watch)

    Hard to say. A brief look at Josh Green indicates to me he's a true public servant being Democrat and having spent 2 decades as a physician.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    will the governor even sign?

    And, how long till the corporations filthy lawyers find 20 loop holes to get around it?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Couple things.

    When a corporation acts beyond the powers its state has granted, the act is ultra vires: outside the entity’s authority and void as a matter of law. The doctrine is older than the country.

    So basically loopholes aren't a free pass if the effective outcome is ultra vires than the action will be void by law.

    The ones that do work would effectively be zero day exploits that the state legislature could patch. I would also expect state legislatures to uncover some of these loopholes during the process and preemptively amend their bills to prevent them.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Loopholes are a free pass when the judicial branch won't enforce the laws that stop it. All of that is great when everyone is acting in good faith, except the government doesn't act in good faith anymore.

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