Love it.
Just kinda sucks that your rights are dependent on your zip code here in the US.
Love it.
Just kinda sucks that your rights are dependent on your zip code here in the US.
The power to create and limit corporations has been the exclusive power of States for 200 years and upheld multiple times in SCOTUS.
Devils advocate:
You're also sure it will be upheld under this SCOTUS?
SCOTUS will not have time for this before the midterms. So still a win for now.
The "Shadow docket" says hi.
In this instance it isn't law yet so I doubt there will be a rush to get to the SCOTUS yet, but the shadow docket is their favorite go-to with this administration to rush through whatever ruling they deem will help Republicans important.
Obviously not but wtf are they gonna do about it? They can't reign in a senile clown. As if they're gonna do anything California or New York gives a fuck about at this point.
What are they going to do?
"Corporations are people as per already established rulings."
"Political contributions are considered speech as per already established rulings."
"Hawaii is taking away poor poor corporations right to free speech under the first amendment, therefore it's unconstitutional and will be made null and void. Have fun shoveling money at your chosen candidates corporations! Don't forget my paycheck!"
Not sure what the downvotes are for unless they just don't like having a video as a response.
I'm a bit confused on the language because he says the state the corporation was created in give them their rights, so wouldn't any corporation not from that state be able to spend anyway?
My thinking is that any major corporation isn’t willing to give up business in an entire state but that’s a great question and if someone has a more definitive answer I’d love to hear it.
so wouldn't any corporation not from that state be able to spend anyway?
I believe you are correct. This is why as many states as possible need to follow suit.
I’m not a defeatist. I called you out for spamming, which you were, cause a mod deleted your spam and the comments where you were insulting me and others.
Your modlog is public. If you lie about it, everyone can see that you lied.
Oh! I’m not blocked!
Yeah, there’s only like three hundred people here and we all know each other.
It’s why I like this place, it’s small and tight-knit, which means people are usually incentivized to be nice to each other.
Usually.
Right there with you, I can be harsh and was to them, but that’s only after I think it’s been demonstrated they don’t care about anything than jamming their singular point down everyone’s throat just like that library full of books that ain’t been colored yet upthread
Even now, I’m showing them patience and grace. I wish they’d let me alone though.
I’m fucking watching you dude, a far more patient person than I and I laud you for it
I am the tiredest of all the ladies.
And I’m telling tech support while trying to keep this guy from being outright banned.
Far from me to tell you what to do, but you do owe yourself some grace and you’ve done far more than your fair share here. If they are determined to act the way they do and won’t listen to anyone they probably should be banned for the community
Edit: but to be clear I respect the fuck out of your grit
Yeah, I didn’t follow you around. Lemmy is just small.

Hi, this is who you’re talking to. I’m actually quite concerned with why you’re being so mean to me.
Look, your head is small and there’s not enough room in here for me and all my things. I know there’s no rent and such, but I hope it’s okay if I move out. Living in your head rent-free just isn’t fun.
You’re not going to save American democracy by calling other leftists assholes.
Look, I haven’t blocked anybody on Lemmy and I’m not about to start now.
Just, be good, please? Just follow the rules, be civil, and participate with a good heart in this space the same as the rest of us?
I’ve said not one mean thing about you, never called you a swear and never said anything with an ill intent. None of my comments were removed cause they followed the rules. Meanwhile, the mods in /c/politics are quite frustrated with you, because you kept on breaking rule three, which is to be kind and civil. It’s all in your modlog.
I get that you’re in Canada, judging by your username and your instance, but I’m not sure you get how truly bad it is down here. The last thing we need is for someone swearing at us and saying mean things. We’re trying to survive, we’re trying to thrive, and we’re doing our best with the limited resources and power we’ve got.
Stop calling people like me assholes, simply because we point out that you’re breaking community rules.
Canconda said, before deleting their comment:
America is cooked.
This is true.
Yup. I accidentally hit enter and knew you would accuse me of a ninja edit if I finished the comment.
You said something true and you said it without lashing out and you only said it once.
Keep doing that.
One day, you might meet me. When that day comes, if that day comes, I hope you are nicer in real life than you are online.
IRL I would ignore you and walk away. You're antagonizing me and a shitty person for doing so.
If me being polite to you is causing you to be mean to me, that’s not my problem.
Just put the personal attacks away on the internet, yeah?
I’m not gonna be able to reply to this cause I have a gig tonight, between the driving, the setup, the stage time, and the collapsing in a heap afterward.
Be good. You can do it.
Look, if taking the blame for this will get you to shape up and stop dealing insults and anger and such, I will gladly enter a guilty plea, but I do worry about you.
Please be good.
Your reply in "Hawaii just entirely removed corporations' power to spend money in politics. This could be a game changer for US democracy." was removed as personal attacks (rule d)2). Please don't chase such ego-matching lines of conversation under upliftingnews.
Meanwhile, Delaware is making it so corporations can vote there.
Jesus, no way? I can't look that one up, my brain can't handle it right now. Logging off the internet for the night...
That just means they're desperate for votes ;)
A lot of companies are Delaware companies despite not being in Delaware.
Likely due to state corporate taxes.
These state restrictions/etc on corporate powers are for all corporations who operate in the state regardless of what state they were originally incorporated in.
So AFACT any corporation can vote in delaware, not just delaware based ones.
Absolutely based. Great job Hawaii!
It is in conference committee now, one step away from Gov. Josh Green’s (D) desk.
Note that the bill is out of conference committee now (with these changes) and was signed on 14 May.
As someone who doesn’t speak legalese, are the changes significative? Does everything written in the article still apply?
I think so. There's just one significant change that I don't think affects the main goal.
The law said that corporations had artificial-person rights, "the same powers as an individual to do all things necessary or convenient to carry out its business and affairs", including (but not limited to) those in a list. _Citizens United _ basically tacked electoral spending onto that list. The original bill would make the law say "[corporations will only have these rights that we say and nothing else]" followed by the original list. The version that was signed is much more like the original law; it said corporations had artificial-person rights other than electoral spending including (but not limited to) those in the original list.
There was also a later amendment that changed the effective date from 1 January to 1 July.
Shit's getting wild.
Delaware says corporations can vote.
Hawaii says corporations can go fuck themselves lol
How very ridiculous, now watch how the feds will bend over backwards to keep Citizens United and corporate cash; it's been a windfall for our poor beleaguered representatives who just need money even though they already make more than the vast majority of their constituents.
Good job, Hawaii, thank you! (will the governor even sign? let's watch)
Citizens united was one of the worst things to happen to U.S. citizens.
In Hawaii's two houses, only one rep. voted against it.
(will the governor even sign? let's watch)
Hard to say. A brief look at Josh Green indicates to me he's a true public servant being Democrat and having spent 2 decades as a physician.
will the governor even sign?
And, how long till the corporations filthy lawyers find 20 loop holes to get around it?
Couple things.
When a corporation acts beyond the powers its state has granted, the act is ultra vires: outside the entity’s authority and void as a matter of law. The doctrine is older than the country.
So basically loopholes aren't a free pass if the effective outcome is ultra vires than the action will be void by law.
The ones that do work would effectively be zero day exploits that the state legislature could patch. I would also expect state legislatures to uncover some of these loopholes during the process and preemptively amend their bills to prevent them.
Loopholes are a free pass when the judicial branch won't enforce the laws that stop it. All of that is great when everyone is acting in good faith, except the government doesn't act in good faith anymore.
not you too ignoring that the video you posted says he signed on 14 may 😭
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