Plex has announced a massive price increase on the service's Lifetime Plex Pass. On July 1, the lifetime subscription option will go from $249.99 to $749.99, an increase of 200%. The price hike will only apply to new subscribers, with no changes to monthly or annual subscription pricing.

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[–] 49 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I've gotten my money's worth out of the $74.99 I paid for Plex Pass Lifetime several years ago. If they ever get rid of my Plex Pass and try to say "Lifetime didn't actually mean Lifetime", I'll be gone.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    We've seen other companies pull this move by saying "lifetime" only applies to X version.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I know that whales exist, but seriously... Who is into self hosting but also into dropping $750 on a service that can end on a whim?

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They dont want you to buy lifetime they want you to pay month to month.

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  • [–] 156 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    A gentle reminder that Jellyfin exists to those thinking of alternatives.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    For free (FOSS), and is way better than Plex

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If you use it weekly it shouldn't be free to you, certainly if you use it more frequently than that. Give money to the projects you depend on or they will disappear.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    You find a place on jellyfin.org where they take donations? I was looking last night and only found a link where you could contribute your time.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    A gentle reminder that Jellyin more or less requires you to set up a reverse proxy and a secure VPN to use it outside of your home.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why would you not do that anyway?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    Because if I'm watching locally I dont need them, and if I'm watching remotely Plex already offers secure remote viewing 'out of the box`. They give every user an SSL certificate and a public accessible URL at app.plex.tv. They also handle secure user authentication. The new price is stupid, but Jellyfin is not a 1:1 replacement.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Never used Plex. Jellyfin has always met my needs, so I never bothered to try it.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Plex has been around quite a while longer than JF. Before JF, the only way to really have a "self-hosted Netflix" was with Plex, so there are a lot of us who built our long-standing media setups around that.

    That said, I have a JF instance running and matched almost 1:1 with Plex specifically for this situation, so I'm going to start pivoting everyone to that as I wind Plex down.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The company's blog post also described a number of improvements they plan to make

    After you pay: "oops, we won't"

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    As a lifetime owner, the number of features they've deprecated is probably the worst part.

    • Photo support (luckily Immich came along)
    • Tidal integration (no idea if that was Plex or Tidal's decision)
    • Plugins (god forbid anyone add the functionality they keep removing)

    It's close between that and the last app overhaul that removed a bunch of functionality.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Watch Together isn't removed, but it's been deprecated and has stopped working on at least one platform (Chromecast).

    Really shitty move to be removing/deprecating functionality and then asking for more money.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    there are a lot of us still on Plex that hadn't reached the threshold of issues vs effort that would motivate us to migrate to something like jellyfin.

    looks like we've arrived.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I already have a lifetime Plex pass so this isn't an issue for me. 6 months from now when Plex decides my lifetime pass has a new expiry, then I'll be motivated.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I have the lifetime pass, bought it for like $80 many moons ago.

    looks like we’ve arrived.

    Agreed, this is the tipping point. This is where we will see Plex start to abandon the lifetime pass in favor of "imaginary money line go up forever" subscriptions.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I haven't. I bought lifetime Plex Pass something like 15 years ago. A price change doesn't effect me. It's all their shitty updates and removing of features that makes me keep an eye on Jellyfin. I already have a sync setup for my watch status and a couple of my main users. Jellyfins apps are still worse.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I got this on Black Friday many years ago for ~70 and despite the pass I am slowly moving over to Jellyfin. I really don't see how they came up with this valuation, seems like a last money squeeze before abandoning ship.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Everything changed when they signed that A24 deal, and its not even the good movies, its the shitty also-rans. They want revenue now.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I wish them luck, but it seems despite all the data collection they failed to understand who their customers are. Idgaf about their content, I block and remove it where I can. Instead now we have content that will not convince anyone to cancel their Netflix or HBO to move to them and I have a home server that barely runs anymore because the software is so bloated.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    From a purely profit-oriented perspective, no. They're setting up a pretext to eliminate the lifetime license plan due to a lack of interest. No sane person would pay that kind of lump sum for the service (and the insane ones will bring in triple the revenue), so they'll claim that there is no market for it. After that, they're free to crank up the periodic subscription prices.

    Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by profiteering opportunism.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    it's their own product, who are they pretending to fool?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Stakeholders. Journalists. The market. The ignorant public. They're constructing a narrative to shield themselves and minimize the hit to their reputation when they stop offering lifetime license plans. The announcement won't look nearly as damning if it contains a reference to the falling number of new lifetime customers, even if it omits the context of why that number has been falling.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So they are "shielding" themselves from a reputation drop by making an incredibly naked attempt and pushing the price to the roof so nobody wants it?

    I mean, come on... if they had increased it $20 by $20 until nobody wants it, I would buy your hypothesis, but this is like pooping on my Director's desk while he is in the office to get fired

    How is this less blatant than just announcing they are cancelling life time subscriptions? or even better, just removing the option without any announcement?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    They wanna gentle into it somewhat because they know there are many server managing people on the line already, doubting going jellyfin but scared of the hassle of transferring users, incompatibility (or too difficult for user) with some users devices.

    They wanna move fast because money line needs to go up, boss said.

    So currently, tripling lifetime prices seems to be the middle way for them. After a while monthly and yearly prices will rise too (but slower than tripling).

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not really. Their plan for a while now is to convert all to subscriptions and this is just their latest salvo. Next up is getting rid of it completely due to "no demand" and then kicking existing lifetime accounts to some static version that won't be supported.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (24 children)

    Just out of interest as someone who has recently set up a Jellyfin server - what's the main "value add" of using Plex compared to Jellyfin?

    It seems to do everything I want, so I'm not sure why people would pay for Plex over the FOSS version.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Are you accessing your media from outside of your network?

    I have heard that you need to set up a VPN for Jellyfin to securely use your media library remotely. Plex handles all of that for me so that I don't need to deal with it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    I have a jellyfin server set up that you access like this:

    https://my.servername/jellyfin

    Username and password is all you need aside from that. Apps for most platforms or access in a web browser.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    You do know that there are security issues with that, right? For example, if someone can guess your media files they can watch them https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Some of those aren't great, but I don't consider any of them critical in terms of risk. I understand that others may feel differently.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for this. There is a lot of apologia in the FOSS community, and Jellyfin fans are some of the worst. I have 100% seen comments along the lines of “lol I’ve had my Jellyfin port forwarded for years and I’ve been fine” as if it’s a valid security audit. The unfortunate fact is that Jellyfin is not secure, and the devs have openly stated that they have no intention of ever fixing these vulnerabilities. Because fixing them would require completely divesting from the Emby fork that the entire project was originally built on.

    Jellyfin should never be available externally. And that means anything incapable of running a VPN will be incapable of connecting.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yup, but all that being said I still run Jellyfin and have no intention of switching to Plex. And while I would like to see them fix these issues, I understand (in part) why they won't and I'm okay with my tail scale setup. Also the vast majority of issues are very minor, but the ability to watch any media without login is so major that I think it's worth bringing up every time someone mentions exposing Jellyfin online.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Username and password is all you need aside from that.

    The sad reality is that Jellyfin’s authentication system is insecure, and there are “anyone can view your content without a valid login” exploits that are not going to be patched. The only way to stop someone would be to include a secondary username+password on your reverse proxy, to prevent attackers from even reaching your Jellyfin login page. Because if you can reach Jellyfin’s login page, you can exploit it without logging in. But that would break basically everything except for web browsers, because none of the various apps have support for more than Jellyfin’s authentication.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, that's not great, but it's also not very concerning to me. Like the risk of someone doing that, and the potential harm resulting seems minimal to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The problem is that every single person uses the Trash Guide to set up their system. And the guide includes instructions on how to set up your file names.

    You’re correct that in isolation the risk is minimal. But nearly every setup is using the trash guide’s suggested naming scheme, which makes guessing it dead simple.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not familiar with the trash guide. I set mine up with swizzin community edition.

    Edit: either way though, what is the real risk? Someone streams your media without your permission?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    either way though, what is the real risk? Someone streams your media without your permission?

    I am outraged that someone would commit piracy on my pirated content!

    Honestly, if someone is going through all that trouble then they've earned it... and it saves me the effort of needing to create them an account.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I do not, and don't plan to. Probably wouldn't be that hard to set up though as someone familiar with nginx.

    I guess Plex uses their own VPN under the hood then to make it more convenient?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yep, and it generally has fewer sharp corners. Like last time I checked, in order to set up quick sync, you have to manually check each codec you want to offload to hardware. And if you select one that isn't supported by your hardware, you find out when you try to play that. So it means carefully cross-referencing with the Wikipedia page for your quick sync version. Plex just has an enable hardware transcoding check box and it figures it out for you.

    There's also some features like smart playlists that I remember needing to set up plugins for whereas Plex supports it out of the box.

    Of course ther are other things where jellyfin comes out ahead, like surround to stereo down mixing - I could never get the center channel (dialog) to be at a good volume when down mixed to stereo on my TV, but it just works and produces the correct volume in jellyfin.

    But ultimately I think what causes all my users to prefer Plex is that the official app is polished and consistent across all platforms. The official jellyfin one looks like a programmer put it together with bootstrap components, and my favorite alternatives (like findroid) are in active development (I do donate on a reoccurring basis though in hopes that it reaches a level of polish matching Plex)

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think transcoding is that difficult if you've already set up your own server. Like, that's only a thing the admin would have to figure out and it's a quick lookup.

    I do agree with the client UI issue tho, and would like to add that the lack of a per-user watchlist is a pretty baffling decision given that it's been widely requested for years and years and it would make it enormously more comfortable.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, Jellyfin doesn't have per user watch lists? Forget making it externally available to other people, this is something I need within my own household. I haven't installed Jellyfin yet, but I had not anticipated this feature being absent. How do you work around it?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    It's not, and I didn't say it was hard. Just that it's a sharp corner that jellyfin should fix if they want to make it as one click as Plex is. It's another part of the setup where you have to pay attention and get every check box right or it'll not work as intended. I found it annoying to have to look it up and I've been in software for 15 years. I don't doubt that any newb would find it frustrating. I remember seeing that it was planned to have hardware transcoding codec support auto detected but IDK if that has happened yet.

    It's especially annoying because jellyfin doesn't just copy the support matrix into their docs, and the one on Wikipedia is by processor generation codename, so you have to look up your processor and get the codename, then reference the Wikipedia table and go down each codec and not make a mistake. Even though it's "not hard" I still go back to that section because I second guess that I checked everything right thinking that I've caused some issues with a mistake. It's additional cognitive load that isn't worth defending if you want jellyfin to be good.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    For me, the killer app for Plex is Plexamp, the music client. It's superb, and AFAIK Jellyfin doesn't really have an equivalent (there are 3P options, but they're lacking).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    For me (Android) I have used these:

    • Finamp
    • Default Jellyfin App
    • Symfonium

    And Symfonium can do many sources and is the moat powerful.
    Finamp is neat but couldnt do casting to my soundbar via google cast

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Realistically the only advantage of Plex is being able to watch it over the internet without a VPN. Which means it makes it easier to get friends and family access to your server or to access it yourself from random smart tvs outside your house.

    If you only watch at home or have a fire stick that you take with you to watch abroad or your friends/family members have one and can setup a VPN on it it's not needed.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    they must be tired of running that company.

    Is the whole world right now like me at the very end of a SimCity 3000 game, when it's time to just turn on all the catastrophies?

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    I never thought those leopards would eat MY face.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Jellyfin isn't great, but it sure doesn't have this problem.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I wish jellyfin and the apps could ship with something like wireguard setup by default so people that use the jellyfin apps could instantly watch media outside their house without learning what wireguard/tailscale is

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The fact that's needed at all is the problem. Developers need to stop making monolithic structures that have access to everything ever and putting it on the user to maintain to maintain a VPN network for security.

    There's no reason I should not be able to just use an nginx reverse proxy for remote access to my jellyfin and have that be safe. It should at worst give people a copy of my media if there's a security issue.

    Personally I went out of my way to make this be the case, i have my instance locked into an unprivileged lxc whitelist only on syscalls which took a while to figure out the minimum needed for function but I got there. The host System is using the hardened kernel from Upstream and a series of sysctl lockdowns for example P Trace is not allowed even if you are the root user.

    So I do indeed just nginx reverse proxy my instant because the worst case scenario even if they got complete shell access to the system they would be locked into an unprivileged container that had no access to any files other than my media files but the fact that I have to go to this level is already ridiculous

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    It should at worst give people a copy of my media if there's a security issue.

    that's not the worst possibility. the worst possibility is an RCE into your server.

    Personally I went out of my way to make this be the case, i have my instance locked into an unprivileged lxc whitelist only on syscalls which took a while to figure out the minimum needed for function but

    that's a pretty exotic setup. Exciting, but for most people learning to manage a VPN is easier

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    With the original price as $250, a 100% increase would be adding the entire value to itself once (i.e doubling) taking us to $500.

    A 200% increase is adding the $250 to the original two times for a total of $750.

    So calling it a "200% increase" is correct.

    It is true to say that "$750 is 300% of $250" or that "The price has tripled" - both correct, but the increase is only 200% because increase doesn't include the original as part of the value.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just to say: MythTv is still a thing...

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Seems funny that they continue to increase the price as that value sharply declines with the limited life left in it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I think it’s important to recognize what Plex is saying with this announcement: their current business model isn’t sustainable. That means those who already have lifetime passes are vulnerable to Plex going away. If/when that happens, what will those users do then? That’s the conversation worth having now.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    My old kodi setup just works, year after year, and will work 10 years from now too...

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Enshittification in action.

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    Probably going to get hate for this. But I have easily gotten 750 dollars worth of value out of my lifetime subscription. I'm sure they are doing this to drive down lifetime subscriptions and increase month to month. But I legit think 750 over 20 years it's still a legit price.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago*

    About $3/mo. But for a lifetime deal you're also buying the risk. If they go bankrupt, stop honoring the lifetime deal, or any variation thereof tomorrow, you're out $750 - lifetime deals, where they exist are often heavily discounted compared to normal rates due to this. 20 years is though quite a long time. Plex is only 16 years old.

    In a perfect world a company would limit the amount of lifetime deals available and only have them in the beginning to get some quick cash allowing them to scale. I don't think Plex is running a very good business, which also devalues the lifetime deal.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    It;'s probably about 800 euro, but that is still 800 euro more than Emby/Kodi/Jellyfin or whatever other altnerative. I had a lot of issues with Plex due to them requiring that proof of ownership thing which didn't really work on TrueNas core I think it was?

    Jellyfin is way easier imo

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