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[–] 167 points 6 months ago (20 children)

"Secret" just like those emails I get from HR asking my opinions about management that are completely anonymous, but don't forward this email or share the link with anyone else because it's just for me....

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  • [+] 75 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago*

    I've sat in mid and upper level executive meetings about this stuff.

    They 100% know exactly who did what review, it's not secret no matter how much they swear up and down it is, if you're high enough in the chain.

    Lower middle management won't be told who it was generally, especially if their report size is a handful. They still know exactly what was inputted though because they see the responses and can generally tell who it was based on that alone due to context hints.

    Always creates a fun bit of drama, but they really don't like that their dirty laundry gets aired.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Who is this complaint about?
    Them

    What is this complaint regarding?
    Ugly

    When did this incident occur?
    Always

    Did you try finding a solution?
    No too ugly

    What action do you suggest could help resolve this conflict?
    Shut up

    Your concerns are always anonymous, but would you like to leave your name in case someone needs to follow up with you?
    Your ugly mom

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    We had a system like that when I was a manager. It was anonymous but I could usually still tell who it was based off the writing style on the comments or the fact that they were complaining about things that they had already brought up to me. I didn't retaliate against anyone though. Usually I agreed with them and they were complaining about things I had no control over

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I can confirm these are definitely confidential. In so far as your name isn't on it. My place shows us the best and the worst comments

    However we can usually tell who said what and me and my manager play a game of who said what each time it comes around.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    me and my manager play a game of who said what each

    Definitely easier than taking action, right?

    You're on the wrong side of the meme.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If it were something I can fix it do take action but at my level its trivial shit such as ensuring enough time is allocated to training. The stuff they really complain about is all the stuff the c suite asshats do. You know the ones that dont know us mear mortals beyond can we replace them with ai

    But go ahead dont let that get in the way a good narrative you have built up in your head

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You got really emotional there and revealed way more than anything I had in my head.

    I've been on the other side of the meme at times but I've never made a game out of subordinate feedback.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Then you will know at low level it sucks. You get all the flack with no way to fix anything that's important.

    The sad part is I agree with the shitty feedback almost 100% of the time.

    The rest where its most useful for the game is it helps to find out who is really really unhappy and try find a way to help them.

    I wouldn't call my reaction emotional. But then I just found out tomorrow they are pushing out another one of these stupid surveys. Where I have to spend the next 2 weeks badgering the guys into filling it out when they could be doing something way more useful.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Brother, HR is there to protect the company

    If a comment comes in that's in the companies best interest to remediate, especially potential legal issues, then they do something

    These surveys are not there to make workers live better above the minimum legally required

    They do not care about us

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    If some has those types of concerns, they are better protected going directly up the chain with them. Anonymous feedback means management can more easily get away with retaliation by claiming ignorance.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I love these, keeps the toxic people out of management in my company. We have a yearly employee survey and the toxic people always complain about everything and everyone. They think it's anonymous even though you have to click a link that's emailed to you then login to the survey with your employee ID and password. Yeah dipshit it's anonymous even though you just gave them your ID to be able to take the survey.

    Me, 5 stars across the board and no additional comments. Any issues I have I take up with my manager directly and he can handle it from there with the right people.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You see, I'm the guy who gives his opinion in those. The trick is to be actionable. Don't complain about things you can't give direct advice on how to correct. Be kind in how you communicate and give the benefit of the doubt in all of the language.

    Don't: Your management style is shit

    Do: It is difficult to complete my work with the lack of understanding on the business direction. I would like this communication to come from my direct manager.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    This is the way. The main reason I don't do something like that is results are open to everyone in management and since I know I can work with my manager I prefer to handle issues one on one.

    If my manager refused to work with me, or the issue was a company wide thing, then I would give an actionable response.

    I write proposals for improvements and they've been so well received because I present each one with an issue statement, explanation, and actionable steps to resolve the issue. Now I'm helping coworkers with ideas on how to improve and that's something I try to reinforce, explain the issue and how it affects the company and employees, then give a way to correct the issue. If you just say here's a problem, now fix it, you'll get no where.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Depends on the system! Even for anonymous polls, you still need to have unique links to ensure that people don't take it multiple times and bias the results. Even if it can track who has (not) answered the poll, it doesn't mean that the answers are traced back to you!

    If they want they still can track you though, so this is why we need tools that we can verify how they work, e.g. open source services, maybe hosted on a external trusted provider etc

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    This is only tangentially related (email links encoded with trackers) but when I ran the technology for a school, our district network security officers ran a web security literacy audit by sending out a fake phishing email. Obviously, I was supposed to tell my staff to not click on anything in the email, and then forward it to me, or the district network security officers.

    So, I sent an email to my campus, telling them to not click their link, and simply forward their emails to me. I pretty quickly suspected that the email was part of an internal audit, which was all but confirmed by the fact that they used a Google ad campaign generator that was hosted on our district domain. I also confirmed that every email link had unique identifiers in them, including the recipient's employee ID, which I found extra funny.

    So, I then got to work clicking on everyone's links. It went to a suspicious-looking login screen, similar to our portal, that then took us to a video about network security that was embedded on our district website, and then that forwarded to a Google Form in which we were supposed to fill out our names, and answer some questions based on the video. For the login screen, I rotated through the network security officers' employee IDs, and used passwords such as "OopsiePoopsieSuchARiskyClicky1!"

    When I saw the Google Form, I then created a Google Sheet with everyone's links, and then split the users into a separate column that had a randomized order so that the user info was unlikely to align with the link. Then, I used that to submit incorrect user info on each form so that it wouldn't match my collected email address, and the reported email tracker ID. I also used the sheet to match tracker IDs with incorrect employee IDs, and clicked all of those links. I did this from my phone, my Chromebook, and my MacBook. I also was traveling to NJ that weekend, so I did the same thing, only from my phone, a few times in NJ, and wherever my layover was.

    I had such a hard time containing my laughter when I got a call on Monday from the lead network security officer. He explained how they were at first concerned that my campus was the only one where 100% of the recipients failed the security test. Not only did everyone seem to click their link, they did it multiple times. The security officers then checked if the page was loading properly, because they couldn't figure out why people would keep following a phishing link. Then the security officers were really concerned that something went wrong with their collection methods, because every click came from the same few IP and MAC addresses; even worse, the user info from the Google forms didn't align with the tracker IDs on their source Google Sheet. After that, they were really confused that everyone kept clicking their email links over the weekend, and that some of the recorded IP addresses were from out of state, but didn't appear to be associated with a VPN. Finally, they looked at all the form submissions, and saw that over 98% of the form submissions all recorded the same logged in email address: mine.

    So, they called my manager to ask why I would do such a thing, and my manager said, "that's just what TheFartographer does." So they called my department's assistant director, who also explained, "that's just what TheFartographer does." Then, my department supervisor proactively called them to explain "that's just what TheFartographer does." During my call, I found out that I accounted for nearly 2000 submissions, which impressed me because we only had around 100-150 employees at my campus. We have around 30,000 employees throughout our district, so the network security team thought that around 7% of our users failed the security audit, but then found out that the number was closer to 1%. I was told that they eventually all had a good laugh about it, but then asked me to please never do that again.

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  • [–] 71 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    I like to think Youtube removed the dislike count because their youtube year in review videos were getting slammed with dislikes

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  • [–] 75 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Users up voting and down voting controls what's get popular, by not being transparent about it YouTube can promote crap no one wants to see.

    It is just another form of enshitification.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    How many people checked the like/dislike ratio before opening a video?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Somewhere between two and three billion

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    I’d just check the title and length to see if it was going to answer whatever query I had.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You asked a question no one can answer.

    Instead of asking impossible questions, I suggest just using a bit of logic. Officially, YouTube removed the like/dislike because they felt people were prejudging videos before viewing them themselves. Unofficially, people speculate they did it to have greater control of what people watch. But in either case, such a change would only make sense if plenty of people were checking the ratio prior to viewing. If no one ever paid attention to it, then there wouldn't be anything to be gained by tampering with it.

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Gotta love the reddit watermark

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    There's an extension that adds the dislike count back.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    It estimates dislike amount. I might be wrong but the way it works is that it puts likes from everyone, dislikes from ones who has this extension and an overall view count, mixes this data up in a formula and gives an output of approximate dislike count. Factual count is only known to creators.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    It's unreliable from what I have read

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Of course it is, because YouTube doesn't provide the data so it is forced to derive the rating only from people who use that extension.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Oh no! I thought it accessed some YouTube API that exposed the dislike data, but of course even if it did that, that data wouldn’t have dislikes from people that don’t have the extension!

    The point is I’m now even more heartbroken about the loss of the Neutral video’s balance.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Well, I wouldn't say unreliable. It does not match the real dislike count, because it only knows about the people using the extension. It's like the difference between the official rating of an app on the google play store and some third party user review site. It's not that one is more reliable than other, just different people contribute.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago

    But they did this for one reason and one reason only to appease the companies they advertise for.

    That is all. Marketers like safe mundane non-volatile markets. Having a lot of dislikes on a video creates a connotation to the advertisement being played on it.

    This is nothing more than marketing.

    And don't forget marketing is one of the most evil institutions ever created by humanity.

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  • [+] 16 points 6 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 60 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Here's what a video page looked like back in 2003:

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have my doubts a video could've had 14M views in 2003.

    Especially since it was launched in 2005.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    They used to, and they currently do too, but the current one isn't meant to be an alternative to the like/dislike button like this portrays.

    It's most often in your feed, where occasionally it'll show a video to you, then give you a tiny light blue box beneath it saying "how good of a recommendation is this" or something along those lines, then you rate it so they can both make the algorithm better overall, and fine-tune yours even if you don't want to watch the video. (e.g. I might say "5 stars, this is a good recommendation," but never watch it just because I don't have the time. YouTube knows I like that topic now, just that I might not watch videos that are that long.)

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I use the super secret system of telling my favorite YouTubers how disappointed I am that they're not gay when they announce that they're having a baby

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  • [–] 78 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Five star rating system was dumb because almost every rating was 1 or 5 stars. It was right to replace with a thumbs up/thumbs down system.

    They stopped showing the number of thumbs down. They did not take away the thumbs down button.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They stopped showing the number of thumbs down. They did not take away the thumbs down button.

    While true, what's the difference? Do we know that they use thumbs down in anything anymore?

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  • [+] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Because blocking user is the actual down vote. The way Facebook is designed any other interaction (comments or reaction emoji) actually promotes their content. I heard that putting angry reaction gives even more boost than any other one.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Five star rating system was dumb because almost every rating was 1 or 5 stars. It was right to replace with a thumbs up/thumbs down system.

    That assumes that the only use for ratings is for averaging the aggregate votes across all users. Nope. Sometimes for a specific user they like to be able to see the granularity of their own ratings for their own use. And even if it is a public aggregated thing the rating service can still treat all 1-2 stars as downvotes and 4-5 stars as upvotes while it's easier to use the simpler algorithms, but to still store the more precise data for analyzing correlations at greater detail.

    Big tech covered the world in trillion-parameter AI models and couldn't even figure out what to do with 5-star ratings differently from upvotes/downvotes? It's ridiculous.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Can confirm this. I created a 5 Star system for my recipe app. Had the feature for a year, I didn't use it once. I just couldn't justify the difference between a 4 or 5 Star. Or 2 and 3 Star.

    Switched to dislike, like, love buttons. Nice and discrete. Been using it for weeks now.

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    [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Every step:

    "Let's make it more difficult for people to realize the video they're about to watch is hated (so people keep coming back for more and advertisers keep paying us more), but not in a way that is blatant so we lose a significant portion of our userbase."

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Im confused. There's still a dislike button on YouTube right now.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    sure, and it does a whole lot of nothing

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Unless you have the extension

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Which only shows an estimate based on other people who have the extension. So basically worthless.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Users who know enough to install it have much more valuable feedback than average YouTuber IMO.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I do not need other user's feedback to know that video is shit. Average YT user would not even check dislike count. They are still watching MrBeast, Paul brothers, Tate, Sniperwolf and all that other taint that spits videos on the platform.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I don't mind everything except the last one.

    People brigade content. It's just better to use other metrics, like how long did someone engage with the content.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    People do brigade content too. But that isn't a reason to hide the data. It is the viewer's responsibility to ponder the rating. People talk about critical thinking, but hiding the tools to practice it doesn't actually help people to get better at it.

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