"Secret" just like those emails I get from HR asking my opinions about management that are completely anonymous, but don't forward this email or share the link with anyone else because it's just for me....
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I like to think Youtube removed the dislike count because their youtube year in review videos were getting slammed with dislikes
Users up voting and down voting controls what's get popular, by not being transparent about it YouTube can promote crap no one wants to see.
It is just another form of enshitification.
How many people checked the like/dislike ratio before opening a video?
Practically everyone.
If you were searching for a tutorial, it was a fantastic time saver.
Somewhere between two and three billion
I’d just check the title and length to see if it was going to answer whatever query I had.
"Does this video have boobies?"
"No. It's youtube."
There were even extensions for showing a bar display of the ratio under the thumbnail. So my guess is the answer would be "enough"
You asked a question no one can answer.
Instead of asking impossible questions, I suggest just using a bit of logic. Officially, YouTube removed the like/dislike because they felt people were prejudging videos before viewing them themselves. Unofficially, people speculate they did it to have greater control of what people watch. But in either case, such a change would only make sense if plenty of people were checking the ratio prior to viewing. If no one ever paid attention to it, then there wouldn't be anything to be gained by tampering with it.
Gotta love the reddit watermark
There's an extension that adds the dislike count back.
It estimates dislike amount. I might be wrong but the way it works is that it puts likes from everyone, dislikes from ones who has this extension and an overall view count, mixes this data up in a formula and gives an output of approximate dislike count. Factual count is only known to creators.
It's unreliable from what I have read
Of course it is, because YouTube doesn't provide the data so it is forced to derive the rating only from people who use that extension.
Oh no! I thought it accessed some YouTube API that exposed the dislike data, but of course even if it did that, that data wouldn’t have dislikes from people that don’t have the extension!
The point is I’m now even more heartbroken about the loss of the Neutral video’s balance.
My understanding is that It works by storing number of likes and dislikes and computes a ratio then extrapolates it using the number of likes provided by YouTube API.
Here what their site says:
Well, I wouldn't say unreliable. It does not match the real dislike count, because it only knows about the people using the extension. It's like the difference between the official rating of an app on the google play store and some third party user review site. It's not that one is more reliable than other, just different people contribute.
But they did this for one reason and one reason only to appease the companies they advertise for.
That is all. Marketers like safe mundane non-volatile markets. Having a lot of dislikes on a video creates a connotation to the advertisement being played on it.
This is nothing more than marketing.
And don't forget marketing is one of the most evil institutions ever created by humanity.
Here's what a video page looked like back in 2003:

I have my doubts a video could've had 14M views in 2003.
Especially since it was launched in 2005.
The old YT player was perfect and nobody will convince me otherwise.
I think that 2026 is doing okay.
https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/d7886499-5a38-4fc6-bf28-d350d836e6d5.png

Early on yeah, they replaced it with the thumbs up/down system since most star ratings were 1 or 5.
Eons ago, yes. It initially bothered me when they replaced it with thumbs up/down since I couldn't rank things with nuance.
They used to, and they currently do too, but the current one isn't meant to be an alternative to the like/dislike button like this portrays.
It's most often in your feed, where occasionally it'll show a video to you, then give you a tiny light blue box beneath it saying "how good of a recommendation is this" or something along those lines, then you rate it so they can both make the algorithm better overall, and fine-tune yours even if you don't want to watch the video. (e.g. I might say "5 stars, this is a good recommendation," but never watch it just because I don't have the time. YouTube knows I like that topic now, just that I might not watch videos that are that long.)
I use the super secret system of telling my favorite YouTubers how disappointed I am that they're not gay when they announce that they're having a baby
Five star rating system was dumb because almost every rating was 1 or 5 stars. It was right to replace with a thumbs up/thumbs down system.
They stopped showing the number of thumbs down. They did not take away the thumbs down button.
They stopped showing the number of thumbs down. They did not take away the thumbs down button.
While true, what's the difference? Do we know that they use thumbs down in anything anymore?
Of course not. We also don’t know if the thumbs up numbers aren’t completely fake.
Five star rating system was dumb because almost every rating was 1 or 5 stars. It was right to replace with a thumbs up/thumbs down system.
That assumes that the only use for ratings is for averaging the aggregate votes across all users. Nope. Sometimes for a specific user they like to be able to see the granularity of their own ratings for their own use. And even if it is a public aggregated thing the rating service can still treat all 1-2 stars as downvotes and 4-5 stars as upvotes while it's easier to use the simpler algorithms, but to still store the more precise data for analyzing correlations at greater detail.
Big tech covered the world in trillion-parameter AI models and couldn't even figure out what to do with 5-star ratings differently from upvotes/downvotes? It's ridiculous.
Can confirm this. I created a 5 Star system for my recipe app. Had the feature for a year, I didn't use it once. I just couldn't justify the difference between a 4 or 5 Star. Or 2 and 3 Star.
Switched to dislike, like, love buttons. Nice and discrete. Been using it for weeks now.
Every step:
"Let's make it more difficult for people to realize the video they're about to watch is hated (so people keep coming back for more and advertisers keep paying us more), but not in a way that is blatant so we lose a significant portion of our userbase."
Im confused. There's still a dislike button on YouTube right now.
sure, and it does a whole lot of nothing
Unless you have the extension
Also, AFAIK the creators see it. And it influences the algorithm I think
Which only shows an estimate based on other people who have the extension. So basically worthless.
Users who know enough to install it have much more valuable feedback than average YouTuber IMO.
I do not need other user's feedback to know that video is shit. Average YT user would not even check dislike count. They are still watching MrBeast, Paul brothers, Tate, Sniperwolf and all that other taint that spits videos on the platform.
I don't mind everything except the last one.
People brigade content. It's just better to use other metrics, like how long did someone engage with the content.
People do brigade content too. But that isn't a reason to hide the data. It is the viewer's responsibility to ponder the rating. People talk about critical thinking, but hiding the tools to practice it doesn't actually help people to get better at it.
A highly engaging video that's entirely BS is not a good video for anyone but advertisers.

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