I've forgotten the name but this thing I found at goodwill has been great for my hips/lower back while working!!

I've forgotten the name but this thing I found at goodwill has been great for my hips/lower back while working!!

Those aren't sandwiches.
They want you to send them sandwiches.
They might be threatening you with aliens, too.
So it looks like you got your current ID swapped out for your defunct one, over at OOCC? So that you can help make sure the rules are followed there..?
Yeah we're good over there now
You seem to have cleaned up some stuff, and that's awesome to me. <3
At the same time, there's a certain quandary still present:
https://piefed.social/c/outofcontextcomics@lemmy.world/p/2004583/4th-wall-breaking-omniscience
A post like the above gets loads of likes, yet clearly breaks rule #3 pretty hard.
Now what?
I disagree
Garfield is not funny
Garfield is almost never funny, but that example is clearly aiming / achieving 'funniness,' so not appropriate.
Again, clearly breaking rule #3.
As someone who's probably posted three-dozen of my best efforts on OOCC over the years, can you please just do your job?
Report the posts you think are breaking the rules.
If they break the rules but are inordinately popular (like hundred or more upvotes), what would you do?
Popularity doesn't matter.
If you're really so stressed about it please, use the report button. Thanks
I'm not "stressed" about it in the slightest, moreso what I clearly explained earlier-- i.e. that it wasn't worth keeping up my regular efforts there as long as the rules were regularly broken.
Sorry for bothering you to this extent, and I have my plain answers, now. Thanks!
Exercise balls. After my boss bought a dozen for the workplace, I realized how much less my lower back was hurting. If I make an effort to also move my hip in various ways, it hurts even less. I decided to buy one myself to use when gaming on my PC. Works like a charm. Does my back still hurt? Yes. Has the exercise ball worked better and been more cost-effective than any other option thus far? Yes.
My problem is some kind of hypertension after overdoing cycling about six years ago. At least that's what they think. After having seen several specialists and doctors, they still don't know.
I have exercise-induced hypertension too and the docs can't figure that one either. It started around Covid. So did yours.
Covid killed everything. Nothing has been the same since.
People are... different too, and not in a good way either. I think we all died and this is purgatory or some shit.
like alot of other infections, covid seem to trigger peoples varicella, to become shingles as of late. if i had shingles now and not almost 2 decades ago, i think it wouldve been more "intense". seems more severe for 30-40+yo . i suspected i close to getting meningitis from it, but it dint have neurolgical signs though, just a very STIFF back, with back pain.
And they're getting worse every time they catch it. Meanwhile, the UK government has found a solution! Tell doctors not to write sick notes π.
That thought never occurred to me. What the... Have you seen or heard or read any articles that talk about back pain among those that have been infected by covid or that have been vaccinated?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8582844/
https://www.medbridge.com/blog/back-pain-a-lingering-effect-of-covid-19
i had the razor blade sore throat covid last sept, and i believed it triggered an early flareup of atopic dermatitis(combined with other triggers like mouth wash or windex spray), usually it begins around this time of year, but OCTober, i was so unprepared for the severe flare up.
My problem is some kind of hypertension after overdoing cycling about six years ago. At least thatβs what they think. After having seen several specialists and doctors, they still donβt know.
Damn, that's confusing.
So when you scale back with that specific exercise and test your blood pressure with a home kit, does it seem better..?
Exercise balls
In the States, we used to have those as "Hobby-Horses" for us little kids to ride. I wouldn't even know how to choose one nowadays, nor what to do with one of those now, honestly.
i bought an exercise ball as a temporary measure until i could afford a decent chair but found it so comfortable i never bothered replacing it, until after about five years it lost its shape and became a big egg with an arse print in it. the problem with that is when it's warm you quickly get a sweaty undercarriage. so i bought a less complicated version of the kneeling chair in your fourth image like this one:

you can pay a fortune for a varier one or get one for a song from aliexpress etc. it has most advantages of a ball plus you can switch positions to have your feet on the floor, on the rails, on the pads, or some combination. i was worried i'd roll over my toe but it hasn't happened yet
I have a rocking kneeling chair from Sleekform, which I found a nice middle ground price and quality wise. I'm hyper mobile and have ADHD, so I appreciate being able to sit in a variety of ways on it. I tend to perch with my feet on the knee rests, tbh (I wear slippers in my office). I also rock in it when I need to fidget.
A lot of gyms and physical therapists have them, sometimes they're called "yoga balls" if you want to try one out. Just make sure you have something/someone to hold on to while you're trying it.
Some are advertised as "anti-burst" meaning if it breaks it's more likely to slowly deflate rather than pop - iirc bc it's made of thicker material. I had one of those and used it to sit on sometimes - it was fun but I ended up going with another chair.
The last one in your image is terrible. I have one and it just made my knees and lower back hurt worse. HermanMiller is really the only way to go. My wife and I both have the embody. I can sit for an entire day and my back feels the same as it did at the start. Thereβs a reason people gush about those chairs.
I have one of those chairs as well. I like to tell people that it's not the most comfortable chair I've ever sat in but I'm never uncomfortable no matter how long.
Herniated L3/L4. No chair has helped me. Only things that have are
Not medical advice in any way. These are just the things that have helped me immensely. If you take any lifting advice off the Internet, get a coach.
I know if my back starts to hurt itβs because Iβm not doing one or all of them enough.
L6/L7? Lumbar ends with L5 and joints with S1. Bro got that spine DLC. Lol
I gave up trying to sit for 15+ minute sessions. I have a standing desk and two barstool-height chairs of very different designs, cycling between the three options throughout my workday.
Great that I can work from home. In the office I would look like a fidgety child.
I have a talent. I'm able to slouch on any chair or equivalent that is presented to me.
If I remember to correct my posture I just put the pillow for my lower back, slide to the edge of my seat or do both.
100% this! When I was around 35, I got a herniated L5/S1; it was debilitating. I have a desk job, and years of bad posture and zero core strength caught up to me. I would get shooting pains where I had to grab something to steady myself to stand.
My doctor prescribed Dilaudid, a pretty powerful hydromorphone. I have addiction issues in my family and did not take anyβand I'm really glad I didn't. I've seen friends have to go to rehab for similar 'doctor-prescribed' opiates.
What helped me was exercise. First, just holding a doorway and kicking my legs backward to loosen up the area. Then leg lifts while lying downβone at a time at first, then both at the same time. Then pushups and situps. Then a gym routine of lifting heavy weights and cardio on a reclined bike where I also incorporate lighter 15 lb barbells.
I'm 47 now, in the best shape of my life with no back pain. Treat the root cause, not the symptoms!
Swapped between normal and kneeling chair for a while as budget solution to back pains. Switched to sit/stand lifting desk + normal chair, stand pad (do not cheap out on the stand pad, get a nice thick one) and balance board when I upgraded my desk.
Kneeling chair was great, but shouldn't be used for long periods of time (2+ hours) according to lots of easily corroborated medical advice easily found even on the kneeling chair supplier websites.
Sit/stand desk is the best investment I've ever made, felt the improvements after 3 weeks of casual use. Balance board is awesome bonus but requires a solid hard surface. Had to buy a wooden panel to put over my plastic carpet protector cuz my place has fairly deep carpet.
SteelCase Leap was my favorite chair ever. I currently have a SteelCase Think. But honestly the thing more impactful than the chair, to me, is an adjustable height desk with an adjustable height monitor stand.
In the office, I have a regular office chair, a wobble stool, and a height-adjustable desk riser if I want to stand. Constantly switching between them makes the biggest difference for my back. Sometimes I use one setting all day long, sometimes I switch several times a day, however I feel
wobble stool
Wow... oO
That seems a bit of alright, there!
Instead of sitting or standing, without knowing your particular type of pain/injury, I suggest gently moving.
Walking pad/treadmill is an option, but if so go reallly slow so you take smaller steps, as walking "incorrectly" can also strain your lower back.
Perhaps a better fit would be to look for vertical motion than forward or static... standing on pedals similar to on a bike or on a stair machine or even just with one foot on a stepping board and switching whichever leg is on it frequently. Still when peddalinf, stepping or climbing stair steps: go slowly, we're not trying to break a sweat.
But probably the absolute best chioce is to ask a physician or physiotherapist that are knowledgeable about your specific kind of back issues how to sit, move, train and rest.
Good luck!
Aeron was helpful for my bulging disc. Steelcase Leap is also a great chair, as is the Gesture. Steelcase is less prescriptive about how it supports you compared to Aeron. Headrest is a big plus. Typically, in a desk work ergonomic scenario, you do not want any tension from holding yourself in position (which rules out exercise balls, saddle chairs, etc.) It also rules out βperfectly uprightβ chairs. Yes, itβs bad to sit that long, but holding a position for 4 hours is worse.
I'll have to circle back to this one, as there are some things I don't understand, at present. Later...
do you have a headrest attachment for the Aeron you'd recommend? I'm not sure if i need a headrest but maybe I don't know what I'm missing out on?
Thereβs only one Iβve come across and itβs too expensive for my taste, but maybe one day. My back is healed so I donβt need it. Atlas Headrest
I messed up my back years ago. Sometimes I work sitting down for hours. Hereβs how Iβve managed:
Hope this helps! And best of luck with your back
I do need more PT, thank you!
Watching and following Olivier Girard videos. His approach requires naturally using certain muscles while sitting
Can you explain a little more upon how that works?
Sure. Iβll tell you what I understand, but Iβd suggest checking what I say against Girardβs videos themselves.
Anyway, his approach involves supporting your lower back. In a way, itβs almost as if your chairβs back is exclusively there to support your lower back.
Notice that, in this approach, your upper back is not supported by your chair. That means that you have to engage your core and back muscles to support your upper back and your shoulders and head. That is why sitting for long can get tiring and at some point is simply impossible.
Depending on your chair, you might be able to easily lay back, almost as if your chair was a bed. This is fine if you are not typing or using your desk. But I think Girard generally favors the sitting up straight and using your muscles.
What helped me with back pain the most was learning how to properly sit in a chair.
Basically, you want to sit down on your taint.
What you do is place your feet under the chair, stick your ass out like you're twerking it, and proceed to sit down so that your taint is the point of contact between you and the chair. Make sure your hips are pushed all the way to the back of the chair and your feet can rest comfortably on the floor with your knees at a 90 degree angle.
This will align you spine properly, and prevent your spine from being overly stressed. It also relieves pressure on the hips as well.
Not sure if this will help with your condition, but it should help to relieve any stress points and align everything into a position where your body isn't struggling to keep everything in pace. The longer you sit like this, the more benefits you will see.
Standing desk, don't be static, change positions often.
If standing is a problem the saddle stools are pretty good
PT/weight lifting really help.
Also metabolism has a big impact on joint issues and pain. If you have obesity, hypertension, snoring, skin tags, nafld, t2d, etc... they are all indicators your metabolism could use some improvement, and it probably will help your back too.
Those kneeling office chairs really hurt my knees, I'm too tall to use saddle chairs at a regular desk and with exercise balls its hard for me to get the height right. As far as chairs go what helped me was finding a chair with adjustible lumbar support, and adjustible spring tension on reclining. Steelcase used to offer all of these features but it looks like they don't have as much adjustment now. I've heard good things about Herman Miller but I've never tried them. As for lifestyle changes: a heating pad to loosen cramps, free weights to strengthen, and a foam roller to help realign the spine have all helped me. ymmv obv.
Yoga actually.
Bought a used Steelcase Leap chair 9 years ago to deal with pain caused by disc problems. It's built like a tank, amazingly adjustable, and completely alleviated my lower back pain. Still using it.
I have an old, used, steelcase chair. the cushioning is a bit worn out (so not as soft as I'd like), but I play games a lot and I think it helps my posture quit a bit.
Herman miller chairs are also great, but I preferred the steelcase chairs because they're adjustable for more sizes than the Herman millers.
I would definitely recommend getting them used, or buy the steel case refurbished. There's companies that focus on refurbishing steels case chairs for nearly half price.
I use two chairs, a regular office chair and a kneeling chair. I switch between them regularly.
So I was wondering if anyone here with lower back issues has found a chair that helped them sit?
Yes and no.
Sitting is the/my enemy. So, I use an adjustable standing desk with the best standing mat I could afford.
When I can/wan to sit, I sit, while the rest of the time I have the desk at my usual standing height and use the standing mat instead of the chair. The standing mat is key to help reduce fatigue & stress (feet, legs and back). I may also put it at different heights from time to time, depending how... tired my back is.
At least as important, I try to never sit longer than an hour.
I will get up and walk (either going out for a real long walk) or just be standing and walking in my home office. I may even dictate draft notes to a pocket recorder while I'm doing that.
As you can imagine, the chair is not the most important for me in that configuration but I do have one. It is one of those gaming chairs. Just a model for people that are well over my weight (so it's rather firm). It's ugly as hell (and quite large) but it offers all the adjustments I need : height and the ability to lean back as much as I wish (it can almost lay flat). I removed the arm rests that are rather... useless and cumbersome. When I sit, I also use a little cushiony stand thingy, on which I rest my feet at a slight angle. This seem to quite help my back too.
Imho, your doctor should be able to suggest you some better chairs than any random stranger online could... even if it's me ;)
Still, I hope this can help you a little bit: I know too well how our back can be a bitch.
Interesting, thank you!
Do you also do specific exercises for your lower back?
Walk is my main kind of exercise. Daily walks. But I also wear orthopedic soles. As for real exercises I do some my osteopath taught me... The guy I was sent to by another doctor who I told when I sat in front of him: what I know of your practice makes me very doubtful you can achieve anything serious. I was wrong. So wrong.
I do like walking all around!
Unfortunately, people with CFS/ME commonly suffer a severe-payback upon walking 'too much,' so it's like I must carefully walk 'just the right amount each day, and nothing more.' (we commonly get "post-exertional malaise" or P.E.M.)
It's so weird... I can walk around happily, with the best intentions, but then lay myself up for many days in bed afterwards, with some of my worst depression ever... just by walking around too dang much. &^@#$
Right there with you on the chronic fatigue syndrome. I had a big collapse about two years ago and have been rebuilding slowly since then.
Maybe it will be helpful to you if I share my experiences?
I find it's absolutely key to avoid outdoor walking for exercise, and do it instead on a treadmill with a timer and digital speed control. That way I can precisely track and control how long, how intensely, and in what environmental conditions I exercise. Little things like temperature, wind, air quality, social interactions positive and negative, waiting times at intersections, route changes due to obstructions, and sound levels add up fast as variables that change true time spent and overall energy expenditure.
And it gives me a true barometer of how I'm doing -- I can sometimes detect incoming flareups before they start just by realizing I'm reaching my "stop now" level sooner than usual. I stop right away (never push past that feeling).
Then I can adjust my schedule (including skipping the next exercise day) and my commitments, to head it off before it gets worse, to plan for extra rest, and to just not feel so blindsided, guilty, and useless.
Going outside for fun is different -- should still do that -- I've just found that it's too uncontrolled for the critical survival exercise I need to conduct.
This has made a major difference in my quality of life!
Thanks for sharing!
I have a bike trainer at home, and do something roughly along the lines you state, but less in terms of notes and quantifiables, and more in terms of interoception, which seems to work pretty well. Oddly, higher-exertion activities, such as riding that way, or dancing on my wooden floors, seem to be much better for me than walking, maybe because I get more of a heart workout that way.
I had a big collapse about two years ago and have been rebuilding slowly since then.
Damn, that sucks. Mine has pretty much been a constant all my life, in which it distinctly doesn't pay to get older.
Btw, in terms of CFS/ME, this chart kind of gives an idea of possible causes and research paths:
https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1568997226000571-gr1.jpg
From this study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568997226000571
Thank you for the links and for sharing, also! I've always had it too, but have had a few critical episodes in my life where it suddenly became a bigger factor. Once in my early teens, once in my mid twenties, and then now in my forties. But life is again improving so no complaints here π
My best to you, and I hope you have smooth sailing ahead!
Strengthening your core is there key to reducing lower back pain typically.
I've had lumbar pain from bad chairs in the past, but nothing medically diagnosed (so bear that in mind, your situation might be a lot more serious).
For the past years I've been using a Secret Lab chair, and it's been wonderful. I usually tilt it so it allows me to distribute the weight across my back and not on top of my lumbar, probably not really ergonomic but I haven't experienced any problems with it.
That being said if I needed to get a new chair it wouldn't be a secret lab, as much as I like it and I think it's built like a tank and will last me forever, the lack of a way to limit the tilting is very annoying for my use case.
Anthros. https://www.anthros.com/
I work in IT. Have for a long time now. I often spend half my day or more at a desk working on a computer. As my career developed I found myself less active. I was quite active and fit in my youth so I didn't think much of it until I started having serious back pain. Decades of neglect caught up to me and I found myself in immense pain from... Doing nothing.
After a few scary incidents of thankfully temporary disability I was motivated enough to figure out what was wrong and learn how I could fix it. I came across the typical advice of course. Stretch. Train the body to be stronger and more flexible. Be more active. Sit less. All good and necessary. I still had to sit a lot though. Even with a sit/stand desk I'm going to want to sit down sometimes.
I did a lot of reading and almost as much testing before concluding that Anthros is the best office chair currently available. I now have a few years of experience with one and that experience has only reinforced that opinion.
It's designed by folks who developed expertise on ergonomics working in the wheelchair industry. There's a lot of copy on their website about all that and more info given in interviews / podcasts. Marketing aside the point is that it's not just another funky chair following trends. There are evidence-backed reasons for the design.
The pelvic support is what fully convinced me. Pelvic support is to lumbar support what not-getting-stabbed is to a field tourniquet. Sitting with my legs engaged and my pelvis supported for the first time wrinkled my brain in ways similar to the first time I wore prescription lenses. After maybe fifteen minutes of "active sitting" I felt relief in my back instead of pain.
It is genuinely shocking how much of an impact a chair has made in my recovery from sedentary self-induced injury. From spending hours trying to get comfortable in chairs not designed to meaningfully support human bodies. I thought my problem area was my mid-back and core muscles. It was my whole spine. I still sit like an idiot sometimes but doing so in the Anthros is uncomfortable and that prompts me to either stand for a bit or take a walk. When I'm using the tool properly I am comfortable and pain-free.
Now that I've made myself sound like a paid shill here are some things I don't like about the Anthros chair:
That said: if I have my way, until and unless someone develops something better, I will always have an Anthros chair at my desk. If I ever own a business where it makes sense to buy desk chairs for people then I'll only buy Anthros chairs. If I could gift one to everyone I know then I would.
I've done a lot of physical therapy to rehabilitate my back, abdominal core, and pelvis/hips from working at a desk. I'm significantly healthier than I was a few years ago. I attribute some of that progress to the chair. I'm confident I could've made the same progress without it but also confident that progress would've taken longer. Without the chair I'd still have been fighting bad habits I didn't even know I had. I also wouldn't reasonably have been able to change those habits as effectively.
I cannot recommend the Anthros chair strongly enough. Nothing else even comes close.
Switching to standing desk every once in a while. Motorized desks are very affordable these days.
Ergochair from aunomous.ai. Ricking the same chair since 2016.
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