motorola makes great phone. I remember my 1st Android phone, after years on iOS, was the Moto Z Play. That thing can last a week with light usage, or 3 days with medium usage on a single charge. Also remember those moto mods? Motorola had like speaker mod and even a mini projector that you can just snap on the phone.

So what do we do when they start making it harder and harder to install graphene?

I would be so happy if the phone they release with graphene is the Razr, honestly might start work on it myself.

And so do we.

This is the kind of action we need to take. Im proud of you for making the change. Taking the time. Making the effort to say nope fuck you and fuck that.

Out of curiosity, what bank? If you don't mind answering. I'm heavily thinking about Graphine but it didn't occur to me that it would break compatibility with non-Google apps.

I don't know. Graphene seems like a really good option too.

https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/

https://grapheneos.org/

Install GrapheneOS on a used Pixel or an upcoming Moto.

Move. Currently get a phone compatible with Lineage/GrapheneOS (second hand pixel, coz fuck Google). Soonish, Linux phone.

i think a solution would either cone through court or law

Well they are good for security, but they don't have to be bad. Pixels are "locked" until you unlock it and install GrapheneOS and then re-lock it to prevent unauthorized access, that's preferable to both "no lock" and "lock you don't control" imo.

(This only applies to carrier unlocked pixels you buy elsewhere of course, if you buy it from a telcom company they lock it down, which is bad).

So GOS on Pixel is still fine right?

Vanadium on GrapheneOS will probably be what most people go with for website compatibility. Assuming they aren't switching to GrapheneOS for the main aspects but just want to get away from google

Bring back RAZR days! I had so many razrs. Iove them

This deal is getting worse all the time.

Most hardware doesn't support the fundamental security requirements of GrapheneOS, so that will never happen.

Look into things like /e/OS or Nothing Phone on the Android side, and the various Linux options (Jellyfish OS is, I think, the most advanced).

"Unfortunately" they prioritize security and no phones but Pixels and their upcoming Moto have all the necessary hardware.

If you don't care as much about security however and just want to get away from google there's plenty options, like LineageOS or /e/OS.

Personally I wanted both, so one day when it was time to switch phones I bought an unlocked Pixel instead of some Samsung with a fancy camera. Android users could all do that tbf, it's not like phones last forever these days, the question is if they prioritize security and privacy or features (that will probably be different on GrapheneOS anyway, that fancy camera is only so fancy because of the onboard processing done by the phone, your pics won't look as good on Graphene.)

Unfortunately, for the specs and special stylus integration feature, Samsung has cornered the market. You can try any other phone and purchase a simple stylus that is just a rubber tip on a plastic stick, but it won't have the pressure features and quick action button that the S-pen has.

Apple pencil pro on an iPad pro is the only device with commensurate features.

Moto G and the TCL phone are both low buold quality and mid spec devices compared to the Samsung S Ultras

Fully same page. I got a used Z fold cuz I love the design, but now I guess I'm just never updating again until I have time to learn how to install my own OS on it 😵

You should wait for the GrapheneOS Motorola phones next year. The Moto Signature looks like an excellent phone so something like that with GrapheneOS would be the phone of 2027.

It is Google, one of the pillars of evil in the USA.

Its so easy with their web installer, takes like 5 minutes. If you go to their website they have a list of bank apps that work. Mine does and no issues. Ive been using Graphene for a couple years and can never go back.

Barclays: This app only runs in the owner profile and secure app spawning may have to be disabled

https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

The installation is super easy - barely an inconvinience. However you need to set up everything on your phone manually - no easy transfer from stock Android afaik.

It should. My banking apps worked fine. None of them work on a rooted phone but worked absolutely fine on Graphene.

Super easy to install. I don't use any banking app on my phone so can't comment on that.

I did that for my old pixel 7 so my daughter had something to play on. Works great.

super easy and i never had a app not work instantly including bank stuff

If you have location and mobile data on they're generally less likely to fuss if you do ever have an issue.

what's that?

Samsung tried its own implementation of RCS, but Google in their monopolistic shittery straight up blocked out any implementations that aren't literally themselves, open protocol farce

Only if play protect thinks it's a virus

OUR phone