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[–] 190 points 6 months ago (8 children)

NEVER let Republicans pretend to care about "fiscal responsibility" ever again.

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  • [–] 75 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    NEVER argue or give Republicans any benefit of the doubt ever again. If someone says they're Republican you should immediately shut them out of your life.

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  • [+] -61 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    I can't tell if your joking. The average Republican is pretty much the same as the average Democrat. I believe shifting blame onto a stereotype of the other party is some sort of Freudian transferance.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    They are absolutely not, you are either extremely dumb or have been living under a rock your whole life. It's not even a "recent time should have made you realise it", right wing politics have been objectively bad for way longer than anyone alive at the moment (I admit that I don't know the full history of the left/right political climate, so I'm not gonna say that what the general idea of right wing politics is has always been bad, I realised I need to learn more about it and will do so).

    It's literally right wing "we want to control people and hate anyone who is different" vs left wing "we just want everyone, independent on their gender, skin color, where they're from, economical status etc. to be ok". Current American Republicans vs Democrats is not even close to a good scale of "right vs left" and it's not even a good scale and representation of historical American Republicans vs Democrats, it's all so fucked.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    They absolutely are, you are extremely silly

    Look at results of their leadership over decades, don't listen to what they claim.

    Democrats say they are the labor party... yet labor continues to collapse under their leadership for decades.

    Republicans say they are for smaller government... yet the government continues to bloat under their leadership for decades.

    When the RESULTS are the same, they are effectively the same, in spite of your bloviating. Results prove they are bOtH anti-labor and rapidly expansive government.

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  • [–] 125 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    he bankrupted multiple casinos, why not multiple countries?

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  • [–] 111 points 6 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Where are all these stickers at the gas pumps now that donny the diddler fucked things up?

    Also worth noting just how "big brained" he is...if I'm not mistaken this picture is from when we were having a solar eclipse and he looked straight into the sun.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    You should all go and put them back up:

    Vote Donald, low gas prices and no forever wars! (I'll release the Epstein files and resolve the Ukraine war in 24h!!). No old presidents!!

    You should hold him accountable. Not go with the news cycle.

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  • [+] 50 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Doge delayed my dad's cancer screening from being processed and he died.

    He was in the emergency room in early stage four when they called him to say they finally looked at the scans. If he'd received treatment when the cancer was first detected he would have had a pretty good shot at survival.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    He's bankrupting the country like he bankrupted all his other businesses.

    Guys, it'll trickle down any second now.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    The debt is trickling down. Every dollar you give as taxes goes towards that debt and war machine. Since rich don't pay taxes all the debt payment is yours.

    Even if you don't pay income taxes; sales tax, property tax, tariff is a payment towards the debt.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago

    When you're borrowing money to service the debt, things can get spicy

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The debt is high as balls of course, but really there is no specific significance to reaching the level of the GDP of one year. You could just as well say it has reached 400% of the quarterly GDP or 33% of the three year GDP.

    Personally I'm more worried about concrete numbers like the cost of servicing the debt yearly. That has reached 17% of your yearly budget by now.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    A metric a lot of things experts tend to rely on is the debt-to-GDP ratio. The idea being that you can have an insane debt, but if your economic output is also insane, you'll be able to pay it off easier than a lesser economy. The US' is currently at 120%-ish as of earlier this year. Notable examples to pull from seem to be Greece, and how they defaulted from their debt spiral after failing a repayment (ratio: 180%), and Japan, which I believe currently holds the largest Debt-to-GDP ratio (238%-ish).

    Edit: interjecting my thoughts that nobody asked for, is that debt seems like a weird unknown in the economic media I see. Like, growing a significant debt is bad, but it oftentimes is used on infrastructure that you can't just un-build, like what you can with a debt. When a country that did so defaults, I know there's studies into it, but it almost seems terribly underreported on. So much so that I can't say I'd know how things will unfold, especially with an economy of the US' importance.

    Edit: also yeah, I'm saying the included image/article/whatever in the post is wrong. We surpassed that in 2013.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Every American, babies to retire owe like $100.000 (napkin math, IIRC it's even more) if you split up the debt.

    I'd start thinking about that if I were an economist over there. Or a politician. Someone is going to have a huge, huuge, leverage over the usa til you fix that.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    HOW is this Possible? We ELIMINATED all of my VA Benefits, my Child's Education and School Lunch, SNAP Benefits, Healthcare and Infrastructure Funding! SURELY that gives us Enough Money for Billionaire Tax Breaks and Wars?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    All those programs? A drop in the war bucket. We could have spent MORE on those programs healthcare and infrastructure, kept the tax breaks for billionaires and still have a bigger war bucket than the next few countries on the list.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    New Mission Objective: SURVIVE

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I've been relistening to the Dungeon Crawler Carl audiobooks, so you'll have to forgive me...

    "NEW ACHEIVEMENT! Your country's debts now exceeds every single dime of annual production! Not only that, but its government is practically racing towards a full blown fascist dictatorship. Reward... No rewards for broke opressed bitches!"

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Its trumps debt. Every cent of it should come from his accounts

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Did you even say thank you?

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I still think the funniest thing about the Vance edits is that they look more normal than the real thing. Don't know how or why but the fucker lost the phenotype roulette and just looks surreal.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Truth, I actually didn't recognize him in the regular photos that popped up looking for this meme.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think I figured it out, his head or at least face is too babyish. I don't know if it's because he's had work done or if he is just unlucky but his eyes up are normal ish but below his eyes are weirdly rounded. The edits often unify the rounding of his face resulting in him not looking so weird.

    Though his head shape as a whole is kinda off regardless I think it's the weird assymetrical nature of his face that causes the surreal look.

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  • [+] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    Curious to see if it's gonna impact the USA credit ratings

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    "The Art of the Steal" now available in all banks of the US of A.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    How did Biden let this happen?

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Technically correct. We hit 100% debt/GDP ratio in 2012. This headline is intended to manipulate you into thinking something that happened over a decade ago just happened.

    We actually crossed 125% under Trump in 2020.

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  • [+] -18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Shh. Democrats are perfect and anyone who suggests otherwise is a Russian.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    It's simple, really. Trump has foreseen all of the economic mistakes the next democrat president will make and is already fixing them, before they even happen. Some of you should be a little more grateful.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    This is intentional. Crash the economy, then use that as an excuse to shutter every social program and public good. In ride the corporations on their white horse to offer us those same services, for a price. Can't afford the new prices for using the highway, fire protection, your kid's school? No problem, just sign here and your great-grandkids will still be down your debt.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    This is the little asterisk next to "republicans was small government*"

    *cut the government agencies who exist to work within a budget and replace them with private companies who exist solely to generate profit...that they use to pay us.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I was going to make some joke, but instead I’m just going to talk about being heartbroken.

    Because if, by some miracle, we get more anti-establishment elected officials in 2028, their policies would most assuredly destroy the country. Not because those policies are bad, but because the safety nets that would have absorbed the market shock were destroyed by this administration.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I am so sick of the fiscally irresponsible Demonrats running up our national debt. If only they could follow the fiscally conservative Republisaint's example and cut all those pesky welfare programs like Social Security and Medicare.

    Imagine if we took all that wasted money and gave it to wealthy to manage. Trickledown only works if we send a tidal wave of money upwards. So much money that some invariably trickles down to the undeserving poors.

    We just have to switch to a regressive national 10% sales tax (with exceptions for large ticket item purchases that only wealthy people can make of course) we could have our Demonrat debt problem solved within a couple of years.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    The house we bought is more than 3x our annual income, and our budget works ok so I don't think the absolute size of it is the problem, the problem is more that it's not being paid off, and that the money spent went into the pockets of the super-rich, and into bombs and all sorts of other counter-productive purchases.

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    If only The FED would print more money and fix everything! Please save us, Fed, from the money

    p.s. the fed are all bankers who work for private banking, before and after their fed "term".

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The entire notion that an entity which possesses the sole authority to issue the currency in which its budgets and accounts are denominated, can in any way be legitimately in a level of ‘debt’ it in any way could be mistaken as problematic, is fundamentally detached from reality.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The illusion of scarcity needs to be maintained. Dollars are only worth something because the entire world believes they're worth trading for good and services. The only reason the U.S. government collects taxes and "borrows" money is to maintain the illusion.

    If the US Government just conjured up trillions of dollars to pay it's debts, the world economy would collapse. So the Federal Reserve has to do it slowly via Quantitative Easing.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    The status quo only serves to entrench the current power structures. Economics is just as imaginary as any other organised religion, and as an antitheist I’d prefer to live within a system which can legitimately be mapped to reality.

    The US congress already conjures every dollar out of thin air, it’s ‘debt’ is merely a poorly labelled finance construct, and the ‘deficit’ is merely the sum total of private sector account balances.

    Religion is the opiate of the people, economics is their fentanyl.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    *laughs in MMT

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    … so far!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    As long as MAGA continues to run the USA, the failure(s) will grow exponentially.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Hate to brake it to you guys but that threshold was crossed in like 2012. This is work of every single president since 90s. Not just Trump

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    The context being that debt has hit 100% of GDP during major shocks to the system: WWII, GFC, COVID and what?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (10 children)

    It hit 100% in 2012 under Obama after post 2008 spending spree. It went up way more than under Trump COVID spending spree.

    Edit: The only exception since 90s was Clinton administration

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    You’re naming the presidents when these happened, and we can tie that to the crises being addressed — Obama and GFC, Trump and COVID. What about now?

    Also, let’s just say since 2012. Because the 90s don’t count in this; Clinton ran budget surpluses

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Obama and GFC

    Should I remind you who spent 700 BILLION DOLLARS on bailing out banks? Do you know how much money is this? Whole artemis project is like 100 billion so far. For 700B you could send people to mars back and forth and you'd still have a spare change after.

    What about now?

    What about now? There's always some shit going on to justify spending beyond the means.

    I have prognosis: The debt will be ballooning out of control no matter the president democrat or republican until it reaches like 200-300% of GDP in 10-20y and then some random event causes whole thing to implode in global crisis that'll make great depression look like a child's play.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    Should I remind you who spent 700 BILLION DOLLARS on bailing out banks?

    Congress authorized $700 billion for TARP, signed into law by GWB in 2008. In 2010, Obama signed Dodd-Frank, which mainly introduced banking regulation meant to prevent a future crisis but also reduced the amount of money authorized to $475 billion. Four years later, the Treasury sold its last TARP assets, booking a $15.3 billion surplus over the lifetime of the program.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Should I remind you who spent 700 BILLION DOLLARS on bailing out banks? Do you know how much money is this?

    Yes, it's a significant chunk of how much we throw at the military every single year.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Spending spree, and all we got was:

    Economic Recovery (Stimulus): The primary focus was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (2009), which aimed to boost the economy through infrastructure investment, job creation, and tax cuts.

    Healthcare Reform: The passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) (2010) was a signature priority, designed to increase health insurance coverage.

    Energy and Environment: Significant investments were made in clean energy, renewable energy, and energy efficiency programs, including the "smart grid".

    Education: Funding was prioritized for education reforms, including student aid reform and bolstering K-12 education.

    Infrastructure and Manufacturing: Initiatives like the Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery (TIGER) program focused on infrastructure, alongside tax incentives for domestic manufacturing.

    Middle-Class Tax Relief: The administration enacted various tax breaks for small businesses, veterans, and workers to strengthen the middle class.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And the price was the future...

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Absolute nonsense. Government debt has little real-world impact on future outcomes, at any level. The deliberate plundering and rigging, however ...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Absolute nonsense. Government debt has little real-world impact on future outcomes.

    Yeah sure. Tell that to Greeks circa around 2013. Funny how that turned out for them

    "Greece faced a sovereign debt crisis in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. Widely known in the country as The Crisis (Greek: Η Κρίση, romanized: I Krísi), it led to impoverishment and loss of income and property, and forced the government to carry out a series of sudden reforms and austerity measures.[5][6] In all, the Greek economy suffered the longest recession of any advanced mixed economy to date and became the first developed country whose stock market was downgraded to that of an emerging market in 2013"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    But here's the kicker...would the 2012 stuff have happened if....Bush's deregulation policies didn't lead to the collapse of wall street

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