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[–] 253 points 6 months ago (45 children)

“I guess apparently they had made a pledge to the public at large that they would make their club a safe space for all people, and that they would ban anything they deemed transphobic,” Chappelle reacted on his “The Midnight Miracle” podcast at the time. “This is a wild stance for an artistic venue to take, especially one that’s historically a punk rock venue.”

This guy doesn't understand any subculture, does he? The punks are, historically, very anti-fascist, and the ones I know are also some of the strongest queer allies I've ever met. And this guy is surprised that they didn't want his bigotry masquerading as humour.

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    After not having a great time towards the end of highschool, I ended up spending most of my free time.between classes, in classes, and lunch, etc with the punk kids and the potheads. And they were some of the nicest and coolest fucking kids I've ever met. Super glad I had that experience because it definitely broke that propaganda fueled view I had of those two groups, for when i entered adulthood.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Kind of similar for me, except that even the punk people found me too weird/boring/annoying. They were nice about it but definitely not interested in spending time with me, just taking pity on me.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Aww, haha.
    I guess I can't really help, but I appreciate you. :p

    Also, I was looking at your comment history because I was curious what kind of person you were. That guy activating his yugioh trap card and calling you a pedophile because you flippantly said 12-years and not 19 or whatever he wanted is so fucking funny. It didn't even make sense. That was like watching a bird glide into a glass window.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Haha, yep, I got a lot of joy from that, too. Guy must've never heard of when puberty starts and what it's for.

    Thanks for the kind words :) I'm alright now, but that teenager time was definitely quite wild/painful for me. I'm glad to have met so many amazing humans and appreciate people like you, too.

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  • [–] 142 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    And it’s not like you can’t make jokes involving trans people, just don’t make jokes at the expense of trans people.

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  • [–] 78 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Humour doesn't punch down. That's just bullying.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Humor doesn’t HAVE TO punch down. There can be good LGBTQ+ jokes that are inclusive and sensitive, and, yes, actually funny while including the community and everyone in the humor without being hurtful.

    It takes skill and craft to create them, and to deliver them, but, yes, they can exist.

    Edit: a big part of comedy is commenting on things one observes. And there is lots to observe and comment upon with queer culture. The key is to comment and observe without being a bigot. Sooo… with a queer eye, that’s fertile ground, and one can do much with that.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    If he talked to that "trans friend" he definitely has, maybe he could find out what being trans is actually like and incorporate meaningful material about it. But no, he's just another bigoted rich asshole now. All he can see is his own "struggles" and that the world is "out to get him".

    *I was morbidly curious and looked up the transcript of his bit about her ('cause fuck listening to him) and wow, how does he think that is remotely supportive? He says the "magic" words ("trans women are women"), then spends the rest of the bit critiquing how well she passed, comparing her genitals to imitation meat, and lauding her for taking his and other people's abuse "well". Her only value seemed to be what she could provide to him. Also found out she committed suicide two years prior, so he's using a person as a shield/punching bag that can't even speak for herself. What a classless fucking move.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    I think one of Dave’s mistakes is in thinking he didn’t have any “down.” His humor is brilliant and searing when it comes to being black. He’s done skits where he’s a slave. He sees himself as the historical victim of the ages and never imagined that anyone could take what he says as coming from above. Classic privilege blindness, and a great illustration of what that means intersectionally.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    But also, he needs to make jokes period. I saw his last special. If there were any punchlines following his ranting about the mean trans people bullying him online, I totally missed them.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Right? I finished it sincerely wondering if it was intended to be comedy or not. There wasn't a single coherent joke in ninety minutes. Unless I was supposed to laugh that he bought a fire station and turned it into a club?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The best comedians can roast a president right to his face. The best presidents can hear the roast and laugh at it.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I’m still convinced that Obama roasting Trump to his face at the WHCD in 2011 changed the course of history

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I think that is what made Trump decide to highjack the fascist movement in American that had been being cultivated for years. Who knows how ‘16 would’ve gone with Paul Ryan or whoever they trotted out against Hilary

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  • [–] 72 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)

    The punks were are extremely LGBTQ+ acceptant, even as far back as the 60s and 70s

    Queercore

    That’s part of what made makes them so fucking hot… all that leather? Are you kidding me?

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  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    If television viewers were accepting of cooking then why did they have to create a subgenre of cooking shows?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Stop it with your relentless “logic”!

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Hahaha. It was a stretch to be sure. The point is one doesn't need to be exclusive of the other.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Shame on you for not recognizing a famous line from Futurama! 😛

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  • [+] -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ok. Your question also didn't make sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Assuming you are asking genuinely, here's an answer.

    Q wasn't created as a result of V's(or P's) intolerance, it's a specialisation of a larger group, P.

    P and Q aren't mutually exclusive, you can be both.

    V can and do enjoy both P and it's subgenre/offshoot Q.

    If you don't understand in general why larger social groups might sometimes give rise to more specilaised subgroups or offshoots (for reasons other than exclusion) then any answer you receive is not going to make sense to you.

    Incidentally, the same explanation works for the cooking show example, as it's the same basic premise.

    I'm not the person who replied to you but I'm fairly confident that person was mimicking your phrasing with an example they thought was simpler for you to understand, in order for you to see how it sounded incorrect.

    It seems you didn't get the context of that, which is probably why it seemed like an odd reply.

    in contextual translation:

    If television viewers were accepting of cooking then why did they have to create a subgenre of cooking shows?

    becomes

    In the same way that cooking shows exist as a sub-genre of TV shows in general without requiring broadcasters to have first banned cooking on TV , queercore can exist without requiring punk to have first been intolerant of it's LGBTQIA+ members.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Thank you! A friend tried that shit with me. "Why are you so against this, you hang out with racist skinheads!"... Face-palm. Amazing how one movie painted a whole anti racist subculture into boneheads. There are very few racist skinheads, FYI. It's a very working class pro Unity subculture. IT WAS JUST A MOVIE!

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Which movie are you referring to?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm going to assume American History X. Though it's certainly not the only movie to depict the neo-Nazi subculture, it's probably the most well know.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    It is this one. The most popular, and the basis for the rest. Was this stuff happening? did it happen? Sure, but few and far between. Once AHX gained popularity, all of a sudden every skinhead is a nazi skin. When, in reality, it is a small, problematic number in a sea of mostly SHARPS (skinheads against racial prejudice).

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I’m so sick of people trying to hide hate speech behind free speech, behind tolerance, behind pluralism. It’s hate. It’s hate. It doesn’t need to be protected and included. This is very old news. All they do by quibbling about it is broadcast to the world that their intellect is about 100 years behind the rest of us. Fuck you, Dave.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Wrong. Hate speech is deplorable, but it's not up to the state to decide good or bad speech. How long ago was it that queer advocacy would have been seen as bad speech by the government? I would assume that drag shows were not illegal thanks to the protections afforded it by freedom of speech, during times when the government and the people would have been more than willing to ban them. Would a government attempt to flag atheism as hate speech if enough evangelical protestants held office?Speech is speech (hate, good, bad, whatever) and the government should not be able to limit it whatsoever.

    If you dont like dave, dont spend any money with him or anyone/any business that supports him.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I agree the state should not infringe speech. You are free to blow more word count than is actually in the First Amendment on reminding us that it exists, and you did. I get it.

    But we can hold the belief that the state should stay out of it even while we personally shit on assholes spewing hate and crying “free speech” when they get a reaction to it. They have free speech - they cry about it because they want it to be guaranteed bandwidth / freedom from consequences. Fuck them and fuck that.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You are free to blow more word count than is actually in the First Amendment on reminding us that it exists, and you did. I get it.

    Sorry about that. I just assumed you were dumb and irrational because of your take. My bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    As a counterpoint laws around hate speech do and have existed in Canada since 1970 and they are specific. We as a country also are more progressive than the states.

    The way it works interfaces with the idea that some speech can call for violence or genocide against other geoups and can be liable to be charged under law UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.

    1 - It has to be public - ie one is playing to a crowd. This covers things like making speeches over a microphone, or broadcasting propaganda through print or recording. This law does not apply to private speech. Amongst your peers in a social setting you can do or say whatever you like.

    2 - It must regard the call for killing members of an identifiable group (ones outlined in the charter of Rights and Freedoms), or inflicting conditions of life on a group which are calculated to bring about the physical destruction of the group.

    3 - It holds other protections- Laws that cover other rights like religion do allow religious views to be expressed or ones that pretain to a legitimate concern of public welfare. These however require citations from legitimate sources. If you are quoting a true historical event or a scientifically proven fact in your speech that actually happened and is documented by historians or scientists - there are protections. If what you are saying is provably untrue then the law takes into account a certain level of flexibility to sentencing based on a good faith understanding that a certain level of deviance from fact can be present as a matter of someone being ignorant.

    4 - Like all laws it is a sliding scale. Like you can call the police for someone being a public nuisance by yelling their heads off at 3am - Most of the time this doesn't end in so much as a fine. In a non broadcast recording setting the cops basically tell the person to stop and only if they persist can they be arrested and even then they might not be charged. Nobody really has seen prison time under this law. Just fines.

    A recent amendment to the law specifying holocaust denial has seen people sent to prison and even then it has only shut down those doing it persistently online because that specific rhetoric is historically documented as coming from a movement with clear intent to promote genocide.

    The imagining of laws as not being capable of having balance with civil rights activism is a sham and it ultimately hurts minorities. Advocating for better rights or social acceptance cannot be punishable under these laws. Heck advocating for the decriminalization of hate speech is protected speech because there are laws REGARDING protected speech. If someone is calling to kill or inlict utter undeniable misery then they can do it without the benefit of a megaphone. It won't stop all speech, and it shouldn't, but if someone is trying to incite actual violence by documenting themselves advocating for actual demonstatable violence then society can have tools to make the cost of that higher.

    However - Americans have an entirely different situation. Canada does not have private prisons that provide more pressure to incarcerate more people. We do not elect judges and the only way you can become one is to be a lawyer in good standing for over 8 years. Our documents regarding rights and freedoms is in modern language and not archaic text that requires historical scholarship to contextualize and deconstruct. There is no doctrine in Canadian law to protect the anachronistic interests of long dead founders of the country.

    Law in America is much easier to use as tools of oppression. Your paranoia is not unfounded but it is a product of legally speaking coming from a broken home. Laws can be narrow and specific scalpels and not hammers. If they are made in the spirit of protection from violence and narrowed to that purpose they can be good. The rallying cry of "Freedom of speech" is already not absolute and has reasonable limits. It can and does have reasonable limits and those limits are protective of truth and the bodily safety of your fellow citizens who deserve to not be attacked and killed by other citizens radicalized by rhetoric made into weapons.

    Keep your mind open.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I genuinely get how it can be a fine line, but people are at too much risk to allow poisonous words to go too far. We saw how powerful such lies can be in 2025, from people who literally regard the entire trans movement as terrorism.

    Nazis can be allowed to state any thought that falls under basic logical/philosophic debate. That, to their minds, doesn't go very far. Once it becomes any form of grouping by identity, by circumstances of birth, by sexuality, it's just their incessant, generations-old obsession with hatred and is useless for any and all human discussion of progress. There is no grace in protecting it.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    That's the first thing that jumped out to me as well. He doesn't understand punk rock or punks.

    By Chappelle's standard it's perfectly okay to have a former pedophile doing stand-up at this venue. Now, who in the right mind would allow that? Other than you know who lol

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  • [–] 97 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Remember when you prematurely ended your show because of some white guy laughing a little too hard at some of your racial humour in a way that you didn’t like? Well guess what Dave, that’s your fuckin audience now after you quadrupled down on your trans bullshit.

    These are the people who you chose after you were politely asked to lay off the trans thing and you refused.

    Too much of a disconnected rich guy now to give a shit what the poors think I guess.

    Did the Saudi money already run out? You don’t get to cater to these jackals then claim innocence when they run with your jokes.

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  • [–] 161 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    If he did one special about a trans joke and apologized I'd feel different. He did 4 specials bashing trans people. Now this rat fuck is trying to "redeem" himself. He can go fuck himself. Just another rat fleeing the sinking ship. Don't forget he bought out elon musk and everyone booed him.

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  • [–] 94 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And he called his audance poor when they booed Musk.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    He's poor, compared to Musk. If the Sociopathic Oligarchs had their way, he'd survive their purge, but not because he's rich, but because he'd be their dancing monkey. The moment he stopped being funny to them, they'd just send him off to the camps, and keep his paltry fortune.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    If the Sociopathic Oligarchs had their way, he’d survive their purge, but not because he’s rich, but because he’d be their dancing monkey.

    Which is supposedly what he was refusing to be when he quit his show so long ago.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago

    Yeah, I feel like the first special was harmless.

    All he really did was point out that trans people have a longer path toward acceptance than gay people.

    But damn, did he quadruple down. Of course it's the Republicans' fault now that it's time to pay the piper.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Dave chased "controversy" (aka bigotry) to stay relevant. Now he's somehow surprised that it was insincere culture war bullshit used to distract people the whole time? Fuck off.

    The other thing is that his timing on this is opportune as well. He waited for Trump to become extremely unpopular before coming out with statements like this.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago*

    "Hey guys I just realized I allied with a bunch of fascist pedophiles and now the only people who want to associate with me are the same people who unironically called me the N word my entire life.

    Can y'all just conveniently forget I did that and give me more money again?" - Dave Chappelle

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Agreed.

    I always make this comparison with Eddie Murphy.

    The long and short of it is

    Eddie Murphy did some gay jokes in his stand up special Delirious. He then references how gay people were angry at him and his next stand-up special Raw.

    It takes up a minute and a half.

    He never references again and the rest of the special is mostly about men and women, Johnny Carson and his family; with some small jabs at Michael Jackson and Italians watching Rocky.

    And of course a fantastic bit about Bill Cosby. I think it's worth a watch just for that, considering everything that he has done.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Even if that was true, it's not, he'd still be a NIMBY piece of shit.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    NIMBY Chapelle is a new-one for me. Whatchu got?

    Holy fuck, okay, that was easier and shittier than I anticipated by-far. Blocking multi-family housing? Wow

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Hey Dave, what did the five fingers say to the face?

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Let me guess he doesn't like Republicans because of their racism against himself specifically but he's totally down to hating other minorities all the same.

    Newsflash: Queer rights are human rights, smart ass! We're in this together. Well, not you. You can eat shit, Dave.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago

    Ironically, Dave's entire argument has always been an idpol one. You can't criticize him, because as a Black man (even a millionaire) he's more oppressed than any other group.

    And, like always, idpol over intersectionality is used to maintain the existing hierarchy. Guess what Dave, the leopards did eat your face.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Does Dave Chappelle know he is a dick?

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago*

    Desperately rewriting history after not wanting to play conservative crowds anymore. Fuck off Dave. If he apologized and changed I MIGHT hear him out, but all he is doing now is shifting blame.

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    I wish that skit was just comedy sketches. White supremacist (billionaire) propaganda is so effective there really are some terribly racist black people out there.

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  • [–] 114 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    That is absolutely what you were doing, you bigoted fuck bag. Don’t blame Republicans for laughing at your horribly bigoted jokes.

    You engineered them specifically so that your bigoted fans would laugh at them, you piece of shit. Then you played the race card to try to get out of it, and it didn’t work because your bigoted piece of shit fans didn’t like Black people either.

    And since those are your only fans left, you are left with nothing, and that’s all you deserved. Nothing.

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  • [–] 59 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    well as a black man I say Dave is weaponizing being black. he's trying hard to deflect the Saudi money and avoiding responsibility for the trans jokes. If he made one show, just one where he would express being sorry for the enablement of aggression he provided, sure i would look at him at a different light. claiming that people are being hard on him for being black, kneega please

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Listening to him say essentially " I can't be racist I have a trans friend" was wild.

    I watched part of the special after that where he followed it up with more unfunny takes and tapped out.

    He is also one of the comedians who would get on stage and complain about "being cancelled" because 10 people on Twitter told him his jokes sucked and that is such hack and unfunny.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's not what he said. He said that friend told him he should use those jokes in his show, after laughing heartilly. You gonna tell him he needs not just more, but specifically better trans friends?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "my one black friend was cool with me using the n word so now I drop the hard r all the time".... You see how this is a crazy take.

    He basically said they sucked opening for him and the rest of the story felt very much like he wasn't aware they were being deferential to a person who could make or break their career.

    Plus he was doing all of the above while being entirely unfunny which is I think the cardinal sin of comedy.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago

    Yes, he had a problem with them being deferential in their stiff-ass performance as well.

    He would have preferred if they were honest with him and funny, even at his expense, just like me and my queer friends would prefer most of the trans people in our community hadn't fled to San-Francisco to then base their on-line personalities almost entirely around bashing not just our town, but its queer community specifically.

    Say it to our faces so we can laugh at our own expense with you - its one of the favorite pass-times of our Mid-western, historically-gay town, and many minorities, like Dave Chapelle.

    How can you watch someone who ribs on themselves and everything about where they come from like that, and be afraid of and deferential to him? Will Smith was in the audience; he wasn't the one with the self-awareness to take the stage and say a bald woman looked like a badass. What did the comedian who could have beat Will's ass five-ways-from-Sunday do after that punch?

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    He stopped making money on the trans-bashing & now has to backpedal for a better paycheck.

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  • [+] -67 points 6 months ago* (7 children)
  • He said that he was on team terf, like JK Rowling, because trans people were too annoying not to be.

    Look, I get it, Dave Chappelle was cool circa 2000, but he's fucking lame now. I'm not going to pretend that this cowardly, always pissing and moaning about cancel culture, has-been comedian is worth spending any of my time on. If he wanted to come back and be as well liked as he used to be, he should have been funny.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago

    He made 4 specials bashing trans people. He didn't fail a purity test. He failed the thoroughly mixed test. Between the trans "jokes" and calling his audance poor for booing Musk, he's clearly a class traitor.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    I love hearing people bash progressives for arbitrary tests when the standout feature of the right is false piety.

    Pretend to pray super hard or you're in the out group.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I agree with in principle but I don't think Dave Chappelle is the example that you're looking for

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The only person I can think of who deserved people backing off of was Stephen Fry when he "defended" Rowling. Really, he only asked people to back off of her and didn't comment on any of her ideas. He had too much of a history of political commentary and activism that carried more weight then a comedy show. I decided to sit on the fence regarding Fry.

    Last year or so, he commented that Rowling was a lost cause. I'm guessing up to that point, he had been trying to reason with her because he knew her personally. He's never not been an alley.

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    [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    " I'm monetizing them. "

    • Dave

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like someone's having a little bit of buyer's remorse, huh? This is why you never drink the Kool-Aid

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