Charge Doug Ford 10 billion dollars anytime he tries to purchase an item, you say?
post
Tell me you don't know what socialism is without saying you don't know what socialism is.
He might not know anything about socialism, but he can tell you how to make a mean cheesecake.
With or without cocaine?
Socialism isn't a dirty word anymore. I would gladly take socialism over the late stage capitalism that allows surveillance pricing to exist.
Fuck Dougie and his 28 million dollar plane he just bought with tax payers $
Shouldn't "Socialism" be the goal?
Correction: charging two people...
— in the same store, in the same plaza, on the same day, at the slightly different times (or not!), discriminating between them algorithmically —
different prices for the same item...
-
So much for early 2000s "price matching."
-
So much for benefits to loyal customers.
-
So much for knowing your grocery budget.
-
So much for the "neighbourhood store."
-
So much for people being anything other than another resource to mine.
Everyone, everywhere is just a "rational consumer" guided by the "invisible hand" and "voting with their dollars" so that "the best products" emerge.
All of these axioms have, in the fullness of time, proven false.
I live in Ontario, and I feel like I'm living in a bubble, because not a single person I've talked to likes Drug Fraud, but Ontario voted this sack of shit thrice into the office. Everything feels like it's in fucking shambles: the housing, healthcare, education (all the levels!); anything public aside from fucking businesses.
But then again, there's also an insane amount of political apathy amongst my peers (I'm around 30). No one believes that their ability to vote means anything. I'm not allowed to vote (I'm a PR), and I have to find ways to tell my friends to go fucking vote. While it's true that if shit hits the fucking roof I can always just move out, it hurts me to just watch my friends suffer, especially when a number of them are teachers and nurses, and they recount the sad episodes of the kids in schools and the patients in hospitals not getting the care they need.
A lot of the people who "don't like ford" still vote conservative to own the libs or something. I've met many who hate ford but still support the party.
The most common reason I've heard/read is "just look at what happened the last time we had a Liberal/NDP government in Ontario"
Then the details of why those governments were bad are usually about one tenth as bad as the current fuckery
I know a few. They love his populist policies like alcohol and getting rid of bike lanes.
It is hard to get my non-Ford supporting friends to vote. They'll typically ask me who to vote. Yeah it's hard for sure.
live in Ontario, and I feel like I'm living in a bubble, because not a single person I've talked to likes Drug Fraud,
same same with Ted Cruz down south of the border and yet reelected :) what a world!
I thought he was just on his second term... Wtf
He called an early election soon after Trump was elected to try get himself an even stronger majority while running on an anti-Trump platform, propping up himself as the only person who can go against Trump for Ontario (yeah, the facist-inspired playbook). He sort of succeeded at it, given that the cycle was short, there was rather little time for other parties to rally, a lot of people couldn't find the time to vote, and enough people bought into the idea that he can stand up to Trump despite people not actually liking him. The turnout was less than 50%.
But working in-office 4 days a week helps local businesses! Fuck off Doug Ford. I know he's done a bunch of other shitty things (this article for example) as well. But he should really just fuck off and die.
No one cares that ridings are 100,000+ people. They should be at most 30,000 people. But, everybody has been convinced that politicians are bad, so we should have fewer of them.
Smaller ridings mean more democracy.
With a hundred thousand people in one riding, the majority of people haven't even met their representative.
...And Ford keeps making worse.
Our country is conservative, we just don't go to church.
Its really not. If we had 100% voter turnout, the Conservatives would never be re-elected. Ever wonder why right-wing politics is so keen on voter suppression?
Yeah...
The thing is is that voting is easy here. There’s pretty much no reason why the voter turnout in Ontario for Ford should have been ~41% and ~45% except for people being lazy.
Even if we fired FPTP into the sun, the Cons would never see power ever again.
Give me a ranked ballot or run off voting.
If we had proportional representation, the conservatives would never be in power. Even though I think the apathetic non voting crowd leans more left, I think Doug's populism and marketing would certainly garner some votes if everyone were compelled to vote. And historically, they've really only needed 40% of the for to win.
Do you really think the liberals aren't conservative? How about when they help weaken unions or when they sent jobs to Mexico or when they the Japanese in prisons or when the sold our electric company in ontario? Tell me when we're they progressive?
I didn't address any of these issues in my comment. Not sure how engaging with this would be productive, tbh.
The Liberals aren't far enough left for me either. Haven't voted for them in years.
Could one of you good folks explain to an outsider how this Muppet is still in elected office?
Like he's infamous on the far side of the Atlantic in the drugs and private jet and "fuck the poors" way. I haven't seen anything that would justify voting for him.
Many ontarians are really stupid. His "buck a beer" and literally no other platform to run on struck a chord with people who decided they got tired of the liberals
buck a beer
It's some slogan in fairness. Alliteration and everything.
I presume buck is dollar in this context? Did he deliver on one dollar beers?
Did he deliver on one dollar beers?
For a hot minute. Surprisingly it was really poorly made, and breweries couldn't justify the cheap price for the cost of ingredients since none of it was subsidized by the provincial government.
He just expected breweries to take the loss.
As far as I recall all he was doing was lowering the legal bottom limit beer could be sold for. And yes, we use a buck to refer to a loonie sometimes
Doug was getting a lot of PR slack from being "tough on Trump" for awhile there, even on /r/onguardforthee at the time. Disgusted me. Glad he's getting dragged again, although much like my fellow Albertans I have no faith in Ontario citizens to ever figure it out.
People aren't generally opposed to the idea of differential algorithmic pricing, they're against the way it'll almost inevitably get implemented if allowed to be done without regulation / public involvement and oversight.
Ask a lefty if they're in favour of charging people fines based on net worth/income, rather than based on a flat rate. Speeding ticket? That'll be 0.5% of your annual salary, or 0.5% of your net worth, or a baseline minimum amount, whatever's higher.
The way it'll get implemented though, is more like "It's hot, so you gotta pay x2 for water if you're poor already". And "you're a privileged race/gender, you get X pricing, it's not discrimination if it's an algorithm doing it!".
You're comparing examples where the entity establishing the rate of a speeding ticket or a fine is the government as a consequence of you violating the law, to a company deciding how much they know you're willing to pay for a product or a service that may or may not a basic necessity such as water or food. Not quite the correct comparison.
Ask a lefty if they’re in favour of charging people fines based on net worth/income, rather than based on a flat rate. Speeding ticket? That’ll be 0.5% of your annual salary, or 0.5% of your net worth, or a baseline minimum amount, whatever’s higher.
As a Finn, I'm perpetually amazed when that's not how it works in every country. I'm not a lefty, nor poor, and I think that's the only reasonable way to handle fines.
So he thinks this Capitalist hell scape we are entering is Socialism got it. Would love to know what he thinks Communism is, is it just a dirty word he does not know like Socialism?
does he mean communism?
all 54 comments