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from a logical standpoint, conservatism is lacking any kind of sense or logic. I think it's safe to assume that, in order to follow blindly an idea that crumbles as soon as you critically think about it, you have to lack the ability to critically think.
What I think tho is that it's empathy what we should link to intelligence (or whatever you want to call the skill set that allows you to question and critizice everything).
Conservatism is a lack of empathy (which comes with a lack of said "intelligence").
That's why they've been attacking public schools for decades, and why they push religion in schools.
The kids of the filthy rich go to private schools that teach capitalism the same way they have for generations.
In USA, conservatives are fine with educating the masses, but they want it to be a Christian education.
Which I can tell you is practically worthless, I mean, look at me. Stuffed full of useless Bible knowledge that I can't discuss in civilized company. I didn't even learn about critical thinking until my 20s. Blew my mind
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. ~Proverbs 26:11
Higher IQ is also associated with higher Critical Thinking Skills, which help you recognize and avoid conservative propaganda.
This is because reality itself has a strong left-leaning bias, and intelligence makes you encounter that a lot more as you interact with reality.
Sure, there are highly intelligent right-wingers, but intelligence only gives you the cognitive tools to discover reality, it doesn’t force you to use them. Just because a person is intelligent doesn’t mean they can’t slide off into wharrderp fantasy land.
Well there are also a lot of rich intelligent conservatives who are only there because it's the best place from which to exploit everyone else for further gain.
Men with high net worth are more conservative leaning?! Isn't that weird. Learning about the world builds compassion, while feeding your own greed breeds self interest. So weird. Remind me why we ask the opinions of rich people again?
I mean, I find it interesting that this pattern does not exist among women.
Too bad the article doesn't actually link the study.
To be liberal requires empathy. A deep understanding of others and their situations and the knowledge that your own personal needs dont always automatically outweigh others.
Empathy requires emotional intelligence.
Its easy to see it in action. Pick a problem and then look at the solutions offered by populist politicians to solve them.
In the UK one of the problems is immigrants arriving on small boats. The populist "solution"? "STOP THE BOATS" shouted far and wide.
How we ask?
And then silence. And when pressed, the likes of Reform offer more soundbites like "use the navy" and "send them back" but without any substance.
Meanwhile Liberal politicians offer actual solutions that are not sound bites, and they won't work quickly. Things like working with the French to find and arrest the people organising it. Helping to improve facilities in France and the rest of Europe so the UK isn't seen as somewhere an immigrant needs to travel to.
Basically, intelligent people aren't fooled by meaningless slogans. Morons aren't able to understand that deep problems require deep and complex solutions.
It is not just a question of emotional intelligence. As an autistic person, this is really a weak point in my statistics.
I'm simply not stupid enough to fall for their ideas.
To be liberal requires empathy. A deep understanding of others and their situations and the knowledge that your own personal needs dont always automatically outweigh others.
Not strictly necessarily. For me, it comes down to logic, reason, and evidence.
I’m neurodivergent. This means that among some mild cognitive superpowers, I also have some significant weaknesses, such as an inability to understand or even recognize the inner workings of others. Essentially, the first half of your second sentence, above. That simply isn’t in my wheelhouse, no matter how hard I try. It’s analogous to asking a blind person to pick out the colour red.
But I reach the same place - the second half of the second sentence - by using logic and reason and evidence (usually via science) to come to an understanding of what is correct and good and right and how the needs of others simply don’t restrict my own personal needs in any way, and so carry equally as much importance and have all the same ability to be fulfilled without conflict. And because some of these people are disadvantaged or oppressed, it is my duty as a fucking human being to have their back whenever I have a decent opportunity to do so.
Equating left with lib. Love it. Thanks, appropriator.
Meanwhile, me:
*holding triangle block piece
...and you know what hole that goes in? That's right, the square hole.
Traditional values are a crutch for the intellectually unambitious and a cudgel for the ambitious.
"The current study showed that high intelligence does not, as one might assume, lead to radical political positions. Instead, highly gifted adults are on average just as politically diverse and moderate as the rest of the population."
Well that headline is...misleading.
"Solid ice colder than liquid water, study finds."
I'm bucking the trend
Nah. You might consider yourself as not intelligent (that's your opinion, I can't say since I don't know you), but you have empathy. And it's that, empathy (or lack of), what we should link to conservatism. I'll take a dumb but empathetic person over a smart but psychopathic asshole every time.
Hear hear!
I also love self depreciating humour!
Options: More conservative or lower IQ
Implication: Option #2
Secondary analysis: Good person
Interaction behavior: Amicable, but simple
horseshoe axiom tells us this is also true of the far left
the peer reviewed and reproduced lemmy experiment corroborates this theory
Yeah, well, I've never felt smarter than when conversing with a conservative.
As a high IQ person I would like to remind everyone that IQ has been coopted by a scientific racism and eugenics agenda, and the originator, a French man by the name of Alfred Binet,
"stressed that intellectual development progressed at variable rates and could be influenced by the environment; therefore, intelligence was not based solely on genetics, was malleable rather than fixed, and could only be found in children with comparable backgrounds."
We can only assume that any correlation in beliefs and scoring is the product of an environment which tends to produce both or inhibits the production of both. IE Fox News makes you dumb, and Fox News makes you conservative, concurrently. The study does not mention TV.
I wonder if there’s a similar study that uses executive capacity (multitasking etc.) as a more objective measure of intelligence. When I was in school, this was the most supported way to objectively measure intelligence (but of course, is that actually intelligence? Intelligence is just a word we have. Having the word doesn’t mean that the concept exists.)
Maybe, but I think that's still going to be a function of environment vs innate. There's not really an objective measure when existence is subjective, and an individual's capacity for effort is very dependent on their resources that they can consume. All sorts of effort, not just intellectual.
Aaah a feel-good article for leftists.
Plenty of dumb dumbs among us, don't worry.
There's a reason universities lean heavily left
I would disagree on the "heavily" unless you accept the US definition of the right-left paradigm.
Highly depends on what university you go to and whether or not you participate in the Greek culture.
whether or not you participate in the Greek culture.
yogurt?
We're talking about Universities here, not the hundreds of bullshit liberal arts colleges that are just sleep camps for the Learning Annex.
Can you elaborate on that?
Do you mean like "greek" college cults, like the alpha beta omega stuff? Or like Greek from the actual country, Greece?
Use your brain. Obviously it’s the Greek clubs. Everyone who replied to my comment doesn’t understand American Greek fraternities/sororities and the terrible culture surrounding them.
Sure, but perhaps take solace that we're less deliberately hateful and that stupidity isn't celebrated as it is among the arch conservatives?
Aaah a feel-good article for leftists.
Eh. I don't feel particularly good that I'm surrounded by conservative idiots.
I think that political allegiance is often much more about emotions and sociological relations than intellect. Class thinking is more prevalent than we assume nowadays
Don't worry. Let a non dumb dumb explain.
There are many causality relationship kinds.
- Leftist -> big IQ: being leftist makes someone have big IQ
- Leftist <- big IQ: having big IQ makes someone a leftist.
- Leftist <-> big IQ: both 1 and 2. That is, saying "I am a leftist" and saying "I have big IQ" is the same, since one causes the other.
- Third parameter -> leftist AND third parameter -> big IQ: there is something that causes both being leftist and having big IQ.
In case 1, all leftists have big IQ. But NOT all big IQ ppl are leftist.
In case 2, all big IQ ppl are leftist. But NOT all leftists have big IQ.
In case 3, all big IQ ppl are leftist, and all leftists have big IQ.
In case 4, some NOT all leftist have big IQ. And NOT all big IQ ppl are leftist. But some are.
Assuming having big IQ is desirable, leftists would want either case 1 or 3. Since that would mean they have a big IQ.
However, the headline seems to suggest case 2. And in reality. And it could still be case 4.
Of course, in reality there is an uncountable number of parameters, not just 3, so don't take the "all" in my comment as literally "all". Reality probably resembles more case 4.
If this were a feel-good article for leftists, the headline would suggest case 1 or 3. Since that is what leftists want.
Even assuming the best case scenario of case 2 where all big IQ people are leftists. If you define big IQ as "top 10%" and low IQ as "not big IQ": it is technically possible for 90% of leftists to be low IQ. And if low IQ is 50-50 leftist-conservative, 78% of leftists would be low IQ.
Okay but I'm not smart.
Knowing you aren't smart makes you smarter than all the people who think they are smart but actually aren't.
That was a complete sentence with punctuation and a clause. Youre smarter than every living 'conservative'.
Reminds me of an old Rehab lyric:
I know I'm stupid
so I must be smarter than you
....and are cunning linguists too!
hello ladies
Fuck IQ. Literally political stance is a better measurement of intelligence.
Wait...
In before everyone trashes IQ for being racist and pointless.
And I'm not saying it isn't ethnocentric and a bit arbitrary. But walk around a Mensa meeting and you'll see things in common.
Mostly that everyone is really socially inept if not outright problematic.
But 90% liberal, yeah.
Mensa is not a good selector. First off it not that high of an IQ requirement, second, they have to want to join Mensa. Real brilliant folks have little interest.
Let's not pretend that the bright people skip MENSA to join the Federalist Society.
There's a reason Trump switched parties to run for President, and it wasn't because he wanted to target the best and brightest. He wanted rubes and he got them.
Isn't the requirement 130? That's decently high, no?
Definitely agree that you're selecting for people who want to show off and take a bit too much pride in their IQ score though if you're focusing only on MENSA members.
IQ is racist? It think it's generally accepted that good culturally neutral IQ test don't exists and you can't use it to test differences between races. I think the only problem is that some racists don't understand this and still try.
Are you claiming that anyone who believes in IQ tests is racist, or that specific racist people are using IQ tests, or what?
I'm claiming that racist people look at differences in some standardized IQ tests between western countries and the rest of the world and claim those prove white people have higher IQs while the science understands that IQ tests can't be used to compare people from different cultures.
I'd be interested to know if the people decrying IQ tests in this thread could accurately describe one.


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