You will own nothing and be happy about it.

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[–] 277 points 6 months ago (14 children)

No, he actually said “There is a very real scenario in which personal computing as we know it is dead.”

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    If that scenario comes true I will change careers from Computer Science and become either a blacksmith or a woodworker. I am entirely serious.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Become a blacksmith, supply the revolution with cool swords.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Swords are awesome, but not very practical against drones and bullets.

    Like, a cool sidearm to have as a backup as long as it doesn't get in the way. A dagger might be less obtrusive and still get the point across. But swords these days are good for three things: reenacting, sport, and display.

    Maybe decades post-apocalypse when blackpowder is in short supply they'll be more practical. Unless we have laser guns already at that point...

    Tangential thought: I wonder if a heavily polished sword can reflect laser beams like in star wars... 🤔

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I have an alt proposition: why not look into projects like FOSSi or FSi? It’s trying to address the hardware side of computers (chip production) but HW design goes all the way up to programmers and SW optimizations.

    Side note: making silicon wafers requires metallurgy, so you can always become a modern day “blacksmith” (or graysmith, in this case;)

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There is a very real scenario in which personal computing as we know it is dead

    I guess that’s technically what he said, just not all of it. 🙄

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "Anyone who thinks murder is okay is an evil person."

    "Anyone who thinks murder is okay is an evil person."

    Headline: "Local madman says murder is okay."

    I fucking hate this, but in the age of tiktok and instagram, it's a serious problem. I'm afraid to speak in public because soo many things can sound really bad with all the context removed. In fact, it's nearly impossible to take a principled stance without exposing yourself to that risk.

    And then when I say "that's taken out of context and twisted to sound way worse than it is," people hit me with the "cOnTeXt DoEsN't MatTeR!!1!1! tHeRe'S nO wAy To JuStIfY wHaT yOu SaId!"

    No way to justify how it sounds out of context, but if you hear it within context you'll understand that that's not even what I was saying in the first place.

    But people don't care about that. They care about ragebait, content, and engagement. And tech giants can manipulate algorithms to smear anyone who's too vocal against them...

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Yeah… I received the email teasing their upcoming announcement.

    Here is the text in full for the context:

    We’ve spent the last six years in Framework proving that it’s possible to build high-performance, thin, light computers that last longer and respect your rights through repairability, upgradeability, and customization. We’re happy to see repair rapidly becoming the norm rather than the exception, with even Apple of all companies embracing it on their latest notebook. I built this company specifically to reset and fix a broken industry. So, mission accomplished? Not quite. There is a very real scenario in which personal computing as we know it is dead.

    Memory, storage, silicon, and everything related to it is being consumed at unprecedented levels in a “winner takes all” race to an AI-first world in which access to compute is metered by the token. It’s clear that the fundamentals of computing and electronics have changed. The computer in the cloud has increasingly greater economic output than the computer in the hand. This means that to the extent that there are constraints on the supply that feeds both, the cloud will win every time. We see this in the rapidly rising costs of silicon and all of the devices that depend on it, the shift from ownership to subscription, and the rise of closed black boxes over an open ecosystem. What does this all mean? The industry is asking you to own nothing and be happy. Computers are no longer a bicycle for the mind. They are becoming the self-driving car that takes you directly to the destination.

    You might be reading all of this and thinking, is this a farewell letter to personal computing? Is this the end of Framework? No, this is a manifesto. No matter how inevitable the AI-takes-all scenario may sound, as long as there is a person in the world who still wants to own their means of computation, we will be here to build the hardware that enables it. That means computers that you can own at the deepest level and do what you want with, whether that is choosing your OS, modifying your hardware, or even just keeping your data and computation local rather than leased from the cloud. We won’t get there all at once, but we will always be fighting for a future where you can own everything and be free.

    Every step we take and every product we ship serves that goal. With that, we’re happy to announce that we have our next live launch event coming on April 21st at 10:30am Pacific time in San Francisco. During the event, we’ll be streaming our announcements live to the Framework YouTube channel. You can subscribe and get notified when the stream goes live. We can’t wait for you to see what we’ve been working on.

    These products are for you, so we’re opening a batch of invitations to the Framework Community so you can meet the team and get hands on with our newest products. Having community members at our event last year was a lot of fun, and we can’t wait for you to join us alongside press and partners. If you’re a Framework fan and are in the San Francisco area (or are able to handle your own travel to us), you can apply to attend in this sign-up form. We expect we’ll see a lot more interest than we have available seats in our venue, so don’t wait to get your application in.

    We have one other update for you ahead of our launch event, which is that our products are now available to ship to four additional countries: New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, and Singapore. You can start ordering everything we have in-stock now, though you may want to wait until the 21st to see what we’re announcing!

    For a hint at what we’ll be announcing, head to the event page.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago

    I refuse to own nothing. I will not be happy about it. I will have freedom.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I'll of course hold on to my current laptop for as long as it lasts, but a Framework will be up next.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I feel like an absolute idiot for ever being anti-laptop. I got a framework and my PC immediately became a server. One of the best investments I have ever made.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yes! Laptops do have their cons but I feel like all the people who are anti laptop are just people that have never got to experience great it is to have a laptop.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    quite the opposite. if I never experienced laptop I'd probably want one. the idea of the laptop is cool... but the only reason I'm anti laptop is because I have worked with laptops. of all kinds too, from the shitty basically no hardware ones to the gaming laptops i can play the latest games and work with blender on. they're all uncomfortable. desktop rules.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    Before you make that decision, please familiarize yourself with Framework's continued support of noted racist David Heinemeier Hansson despite the explicit and massive pushback on their forums.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    If my dentist is a racist, should I not go to the dentist? Seems like letting my oral hygiene suffer because of it would be a case of cutting off my nose to spite my face. In your search for a life lived in ideologically purity have you found some acceptable alternative?

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If my dentist is a racist, should I not go to the dentist?

    No, you should start looking for a new dentist.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    In this case there is no other dentist. The closest you can get is a thinkpad, and they're still not quite as repairable as a framework from what I hear, and I'm not sure they don't donate to Trump himself for all I know, searching for lenovo controversies gave me this at a first glance

    Lenovo has faced multiple controversies, primarily related to security issues, including pre-installed malware and backdoors in their devices, which have raised concerns about user privacy and data security. Additionally, the company has been criticized for its ties to China and alleged espionage risks, leading to bans from certain government networks in various countries.

    So no racists maybe (guess we gotta ask them about Uyghurs and other non-Han Chinese people, but) possible security risks, pick your poison I guess.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago

    Should i give my next possible dentist a questionnaire to find out their possible forbidden thoughts? How many thoughts are ok before moving on in my list of dentists?

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (49 children)

    Didn't Apple just launch a $600 laptop?

    Edit: everyone made a bunch of really great points. Mine was more about addressing the affordability angle of a dying Personal Computing.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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    https://frame.work/linux

    Officially supports 3 distros and supports more with community support.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm loving my framework 13, and have tried the following distro on it: Ubuntu (24.04-25.10) Fedora Bazzite Debian Pop OS Cachy OS NixOS Mint

    Debian was a pain to get the firmware updated on, Ubuntu was super easy, but left because the potential spyware they may be putting on soon and the ID laws, Poo OS was one of the early ones and was nice but not for me, Bazzite was too controlled, but great for gaming, Cachy OS is something I will go back to eventually, Nix was nice but need more time with that package manager to figure out the best way to set it up my way, and mint was my first distro on there.

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  • [+] 60 points 6 months ago* (41 children)
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Don’t get me wrong, it is a fantastic offer but decisively non-modular and non upgradeable and no freedom of operating system choice.

    Yeah, it's the complete opposite of what Apple II was: the first truly serviceable personal computer with a lot of DIY support and extensibility.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    One with 8GB RAM, not upgradable. Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.

    Which, in the history of computing devices, certainly is nothing new. Apple, and others, has been doing this pretty much forever.

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  • [+] 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The fact that Apple doesn't really want you to use their stuff with other systems doesn't mean that you absolutely cannot do so. I don't know what gave you that absurd idea.

    And even the relatively generic PC computers we have nowadays are designed to be quite hostile to anything that isn't Windows, even though we manage to work around it in most cases.

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I wouldn't buy a Mac to install Linux on it for a number of reasons, but I assumed someone somewhere had tried to install Linux on Apple silicon and I was correct. Apparently, asahi works on it: https://www.linuxnest.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-macbook-m1-m2-m3-intel-the-complete-2025-guide/

    It sounds like limited support, and I honestly have no idea why someone would do this. I think a better path to even alternative silicon Linux (non-x86 stuff) would be buying some type of ARM.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh man. I began using Linux a little over a year ago by installing Ubuntu (then switching to Mint) on old Macs--a 2011 iMac and a 2015 MacBook Pro. The MacBook had a logic board failure and I decided to grab a super cheap Lenovo IdeaPad from Costco a few months back. Getting a bootable USB for the first Mac was really the only challenge I ever had, otherwise the installs were extremely straightforward (especially when I went to Mint). But for the IdeaPad (which has a CoPilot key on the keyboard and was "optimized for Windows 11"), while there weren't any real gymnastics involved, the process of removing Windows 11 took substantially longer than MacOS and I got the feeling that it was all the "AI" nonsense trying to avoid being deleted. It was clear that this laptop did NOT want something other than Windows on it.

    Of course I was successful. And I managed to remap that Copilot key to bring up the Linux Mint menu when I hit it, as an extra layer of dominance.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.

    You can run Linux on the ARM MacBooks.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I did some googling and it seems you are right, at least for now. I expect Linux support for ARM macs will continue to expand.

    As far as I can tell it’s a limitation if moving from the more popular x86 to ARM with some other hardware related caveats. Importantly, the macs are aren’t locked from booting other OSes, its just the hardware support hasn’t caught up yet.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    For the grand majority of people having hardware that lasts longer is more important than hardware that can be repaired

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    If you think a repairable thing can't last long or something that can last long cant be repairable then you're mistaken

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Im not saying repairable things cant last long but objectively speaking the more moving parts especially ones that can be removed with little friction (without tools) the less durable something is. That's inherent to any device with moving parts, the idea is therefore it should be reduced (within reason). Yes framework laptops can be infinitely repaired but people want something that will last without needing to be repaired.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    There's no reason why you can't design a repairable product with fewer moving parts. Just because I superglued stuff doesn't mean it'll last longer.

    Repairable also doesn't mean tool less. It means having published schematics, spare parts available at decent prices as well as using standard tooling (no obsure screw heads or software pairing or DRM or other such fuckery).

    Repairable also doesn't mean repairable in the house. It can be repairable by a specialist but that specialist shouldn't be sanctioned by the OEM.

    Apple, John Deere, McDonald's etc. all make things that could be repairable with little corporate effort but intentionally make it non repairable.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Right but framework specifically does have a lot of moving parts and toolless disassembly

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I can bet these tool-less disassembly doesn't impact longevity. There are no moving parts except a fan, which is almost par for the course.

    Nokia phones had tool-less disassembly and no one could call them anything less than long lasting tanks.

    No need to spread FUD

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Why wouldn’t you put Asahi on it?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Pretty sure the problem is you can't.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Of course you can, why can’t you?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Only M-series SoCs can run Asahi.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    Is the bootloader locked like on iOS devices? If not, there’s probably a chance it can eventually run Asahi

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Probably eventually, so not right now. And it’s not a certainty though, M3 and 4 aren’t even fully supported they are missing GPU acceleration. Don’t buy a Neo today on the hope of running Asahi on it someday.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Did Apple lock a bootloader or something? A link would go a long way to helping others understand what you already seem to know

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Proprietary hardware and nobody reverse engineered the drivers for graphics and all the proprietary shit.

    They didn't technically locked it down but they making sure that using an alternative operating system it's a miserable experience

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No, it is not. It will never happen until the open source world will keep that relatively conservative mentality

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Hah. Common PC hardware is still overpowered in 10 years time. Let's see where OpenAI is by then.

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