No, he actually said “There is a very real scenario in which personal computing as we know it is dead.”
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I refuse to own nothing. I will not be happy about it. I will have freedom.
I'll of course hold on to my current laptop for as long as it lasts, but a Framework will be up next.
I feel like an absolute idiot for ever being anti-laptop. I got a framework and my PC immediately became a server. One of the best investments I have ever made.
Yes! Laptops do have their cons but I feel like all the people who are anti laptop are just people that have never got to experience great it is to have a laptop.
quite the opposite. if I never experienced laptop I'd probably want one. the idea of the laptop is cool... but the only reason I'm anti laptop is because I have worked with laptops. of all kinds too, from the shitty basically no hardware ones to the gaming laptops i can play the latest games and work with blender on. they're all uncomfortable. desktop rules.
Yes the most prevalent form of computer is some rare thing only a small section of users have been blessed enough to touch...
Before you make that decision, please familiarize yourself with Framework's continued support of noted racist David Heinemeier Hansson despite the explicit and massive pushback on their forums.
If my dentist is a racist, should I not go to the dentist? Seems like letting my oral hygiene suffer because of it would be a case of cutting off my nose to spite my face. In your search for a life lived in ideologically purity have you found some acceptable alternative?
If my dentist is a racist, should I not go to the dentist?
No, you should start looking for a new dentist.
In this case there is no other dentist. The closest you can get is a thinkpad, and they're still not quite as repairable as a framework from what I hear, and I'm not sure they don't donate to Trump himself for all I know, searching for lenovo controversies gave me this at a first glance
Lenovo has faced multiple controversies, primarily related to security issues, including pre-installed malware and backdoors in their devices, which have raised concerns about user privacy and data security. Additionally, the company has been criticized for its ties to China and alleged espionage risks, leading to bans from certain government networks in various countries.
So no racists maybe (guess we gotta ask them about Uyghurs and other non-Han Chinese people, but) possible security risks, pick your poison I guess.
Should i give my next possible dentist a questionnaire to find out their possible forbidden thoughts? How many thoughts are ok before moving on in my list of dentists?
If my dentist is a racist, should I not go to the dentist?
Dude, haven't you seen Marathon Man?
Didn't Apple just launch a $600 laptop?
Edit: everyone made a bunch of really great points. Mine was more about addressing the affordability angle of a dying Personal Computing.
can it run Linux?
Can it? Yes.
Will it? Almost certainly.
Is there something you can install right now? No.
Officially supports 3 distros and supports more with community support.
I'm loving my framework 13, and have tried the following distro on it: Ubuntu (24.04-25.10) Fedora Bazzite Debian Pop OS Cachy OS NixOS Mint
Debian was a pain to get the firmware updated on, Ubuntu was super easy, but left because the potential spyware they may be putting on soon and the ID laws, Poo OS was one of the early ones and was nice but not for me, Bazzite was too controlled, but great for gaming, Cachy OS is something I will go back to eventually, Nix was nice but need more time with that package manager to figure out the best way to set it up my way, and mint was my first distro on there.
Don’t get me wrong, it is a fantastic offer but decisively non-modular and non upgradeable and no freedom of operating system choice.
Yeah, it's the complete opposite of what Apple II was: the first truly serviceable personal computer with a lot of DIY support and extensibility.
One with 8GB RAM, not upgradable. Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.
Which, in the history of computing devices, certainly is nothing new. Apple, and others, has been doing this pretty much forever.
The fact that Apple doesn't really want you to use their stuff with other systems doesn't mean that you absolutely cannot do so. I don't know what gave you that absurd idea.
And even the relatively generic PC computers we have nowadays are designed to be quite hostile to anything that isn't Windows, even though we manage to work around it in most cases.
I wouldn't buy a Mac to install Linux on it for a number of reasons, but I assumed someone somewhere had tried to install Linux on Apple silicon and I was correct. Apparently, asahi works on it: https://www.linuxnest.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-macbook-m1-m2-m3-intel-the-complete-2025-guide/
It sounds like limited support, and I honestly have no idea why someone would do this. I think a better path to even alternative silicon Linux (non-x86 stuff) would be buying some type of ARM.
They provided and updated Windows drivers for their hardware for more than a decade.
Oh man. I began using Linux a little over a year ago by installing Ubuntu (then switching to Mint) on old Macs--a 2011 iMac and a 2015 MacBook Pro. The MacBook had a logic board failure and I decided to grab a super cheap Lenovo IdeaPad from Costco a few months back. Getting a bootable USB for the first Mac was really the only challenge I ever had, otherwise the installs were extremely straightforward (especially when I went to Mint). But for the IdeaPad (which has a CoPilot key on the keyboard and was "optimized for Windows 11"), while there weren't any real gymnastics involved, the process of removing Windows 11 took substantially longer than MacOS and I got the feeling that it was all the "AI" nonsense trying to avoid being deleted. It was clear that this laptop did NOT want something other than Windows on it.
Of course I was successful. And I managed to remap that Copilot key to bring up the Linux Mint menu when I hit it, as an extra layer of dominance.
screen replacement isn't too crazy either on those which I do appreciate. the cost of parts is still high tho we'll see if it comes down in the future
Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.
You can run Linux on the ARM MacBooks.
I did some googling and it seems you are right, at least for now. I expect Linux support for ARM macs will continue to expand.
As far as I can tell it’s a limitation if moving from the more popular x86 to ARM with some other hardware related caveats. Importantly, the macs are aren’t locked from booting other OSes, its just the hardware support hasn’t caught up yet.
Not on M3 and newer. That means everything released in the last 2-3 years
For the grand majority of people having hardware that lasts longer is more important than hardware that can be repaired
If you think a repairable thing can't last long or something that can last long cant be repairable then you're mistaken
Im not saying repairable things cant last long but objectively speaking the more moving parts especially ones that can be removed with little friction (without tools) the less durable something is. That's inherent to any device with moving parts, the idea is therefore it should be reduced (within reason). Yes framework laptops can be infinitely repaired but people want something that will last without needing to be repaired.
There's no reason why you can't design a repairable product with fewer moving parts. Just because I superglued stuff doesn't mean it'll last longer.
Repairable also doesn't mean tool less. It means having published schematics, spare parts available at decent prices as well as using standard tooling (no obsure screw heads or software pairing or DRM or other such fuckery).
Repairable also doesn't mean repairable in the house. It can be repairable by a specialist but that specialist shouldn't be sanctioned by the OEM.
Apple, John Deere, McDonald's etc. all make things that could be repairable with little corporate effort but intentionally make it non repairable.
Right but framework specifically does have a lot of moving parts and toolless disassembly
I can bet these tool-less disassembly doesn't impact longevity. There are no moving parts except a fan, which is almost par for the course.
Nokia phones had tool-less disassembly and no one could call them anything less than long lasting tanks.
No need to spread FUD
Why wouldn’t you put Asahi on it?
Pretty sure the problem is you can't.
Of course you can, why can’t you?
Only M-series SoCs can run Asahi.
Is the bootloader locked like on iOS devices? If not, there’s probably a chance it can eventually run Asahi
Probably eventually, so not right now. And it’s not a certainty though, M3 and 4 aren’t even fully supported they are missing GPU acceleration. Don’t buy a Neo today on the hope of running Asahi on it someday.
Did Apple lock a bootloader or something? A link would go a long way to helping others understand what you already seem to know
Here go to this page https://asahilinux.org/fedora/#device-support
Do you see the Neo on there? It’s an entirely different chip than the M-series so they don’t even have drivers for the SoC in the Neo
Proprietary hardware and nobody reverse engineered the drivers for graphics and all the proprietary shit.
They didn't technically locked it down but they making sure that using an alternative operating system it's a miserable experience
Apple is part of the problem
No, it is not. It will never happen until the open source world will keep that relatively conservative mentality
Hah. Common PC hardware is still overpowered in 10 years time. Let's see where OpenAI is by then.
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