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Framework founder says that ‘personal computing as we know it is dead’ — vows to keep building ‘computers that you can own at the deepest level’ (www.tomshardware.com)
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You will own nothing and be happy about it.

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[–] 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (49 children)

Didn't Apple just launch a $600 laptop?

Edit: everyone made a bunch of really great points. Mine was more about addressing the affordability angle of a dying Personal Computing.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    can it run Linux?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    https://frame.work/linux

    Officially supports 3 distros and supports more with community support.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm loving my framework 13, and have tried the following distro on it: Ubuntu (24.04-25.10) Fedora Bazzite Debian Pop OS Cachy OS NixOS Mint

    Debian was a pain to get the firmware updated on, Ubuntu was super easy, but left because the potential spyware they may be putting on soon and the ID laws, Poo OS was one of the early ones and was nice but not for me, Bazzite was too controlled, but great for gaming, Cachy OS is something I will go back to eventually, Nix was nice but need more time with that package manager to figure out the best way to set it up my way, and mint was my first distro on there.

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  • [+] 60 points 6 months ago* (41 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Don’t get me wrong, it is a fantastic offer but decisively non-modular and non upgradeable and no freedom of operating system choice.

    Yeah, it's the complete opposite of what Apple II was: the first truly serviceable personal computer with a lot of DIY support and extensibility.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    One with 8GB RAM, not upgradable. Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.

    Which, in the history of computing devices, certainly is nothing new. Apple, and others, has been doing this pretty much forever.

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  • [+] 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The fact that Apple doesn't really want you to use their stuff with other systems doesn't mean that you absolutely cannot do so. I don't know what gave you that absurd idea.

    And even the relatively generic PC computers we have nowadays are designed to be quite hostile to anything that isn't Windows, even though we manage to work around it in most cases.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I wouldn't buy a Mac to install Linux on it for a number of reasons, but I assumed someone somewhere had tried to install Linux on Apple silicon and I was correct. Apparently, asahi works on it: https://www.linuxnest.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-macbook-m1-m2-m3-intel-the-complete-2025-guide/

    It sounds like limited support, and I honestly have no idea why someone would do this. I think a better path to even alternative silicon Linux (non-x86 stuff) would be buying some type of ARM.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh man. I began using Linux a little over a year ago by installing Ubuntu (then switching to Mint) on old Macs--a 2011 iMac and a 2015 MacBook Pro. The MacBook had a logic board failure and I decided to grab a super cheap Lenovo IdeaPad from Costco a few months back. Getting a bootable USB for the first Mac was really the only challenge I ever had, otherwise the installs were extremely straightforward (especially when I went to Mint). But for the IdeaPad (which has a CoPilot key on the keyboard and was "optimized for Windows 11"), while there weren't any real gymnastics involved, the process of removing Windows 11 took substantially longer than MacOS and I got the feeling that it was all the "AI" nonsense trying to avoid being deleted. It was clear that this laptop did NOT want something other than Windows on it.

    Of course I was successful. And I managed to remap that Copilot key to bring up the Linux Mint menu when I hit it, as an extra layer of dominance.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing.

    You can run Linux on the ARM MacBooks.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I did some googling and it seems you are right, at least for now. I expect Linux support for ARM macs will continue to expand.

    As far as I can tell it’s a limitation if moving from the more popular x86 to ARM with some other hardware related caveats. Importantly, the macs are aren’t locked from booting other OSes, its just the hardware support hasn’t caught up yet.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    For the grand majority of people having hardware that lasts longer is more important than hardware that can be repaired

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    If you think a repairable thing can't last long or something that can last long cant be repairable then you're mistaken

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Im not saying repairable things cant last long but objectively speaking the more moving parts especially ones that can be removed with little friction (without tools) the less durable something is. That's inherent to any device with moving parts, the idea is therefore it should be reduced (within reason). Yes framework laptops can be infinitely repaired but people want something that will last without needing to be repaired.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    There's no reason why you can't design a repairable product with fewer moving parts. Just because I superglued stuff doesn't mean it'll last longer.

    Repairable also doesn't mean tool less. It means having published schematics, spare parts available at decent prices as well as using standard tooling (no obsure screw heads or software pairing or DRM or other such fuckery).

    Repairable also doesn't mean repairable in the house. It can be repairable by a specialist but that specialist shouldn't be sanctioned by the OEM.

    Apple, John Deere, McDonald's etc. all make things that could be repairable with little corporate effort but intentionally make it non repairable.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Right but framework specifically does have a lot of moving parts and toolless disassembly

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I can bet these tool-less disassembly doesn't impact longevity. There are no moving parts except a fan, which is almost par for the course.

    Nokia phones had tool-less disassembly and no one could call them anything less than long lasting tanks.

    No need to spread FUD

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Why wouldn’t you put Asahi on it?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Pretty sure the problem is you can't.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Of course you can, why can’t you?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Only M-series SoCs can run Asahi.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    Is the bootloader locked like on iOS devices? If not, there’s probably a chance it can eventually run Asahi

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Probably eventually, so not right now. And it’s not a certainty though, M3 and 4 aren’t even fully supported they are missing GPU acceleration. Don’t buy a Neo today on the hope of running Asahi on it someday.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Did Apple lock a bootloader or something? A link would go a long way to helping others understand what you already seem to know

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Proprietary hardware and nobody reverse engineered the drivers for graphics and all the proprietary shit.

    They didn't technically locked it down but they making sure that using an alternative operating system it's a miserable experience

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