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[–] 96 points 7 months ago (4 children)

On the matter VP Vance had this to say "I think it's always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated, so I'm not going to do that."

this is coming from the "Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!" guy

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Nothing reasonable about pedophile protecting fascist JD Vance. Let’s not allow them to position him as a viable leader.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    That can apply to ALL of them. In one way or another, they are depraved, corrupt, ignorant, stupid, traitors, or YES. You could make a drinking game that is paired with Cards Against Humanity, and everyone at the table will end up dead.

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  • [–] 187 points 7 months ago (33 children)

    Threatening the POPE is EXACTLY what Jesus would Do!

    -Republicans who want the Bible to be Law!

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  • [–] 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Most of those Republicans are some flavor of Protestant, so it tracks

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Unironically this. Jesus was not big on religious authorities.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    He'd take one look at the Vatican and burn the whole thing down.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    So I am an atheist, but the last 2 popes have been pretty nice people, right? The Vatican doesn't seem obviously corrupt. Nothing at all like the insane blatantly abusive megachurches in the US.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Have you seen how gaudy the Vatican is? Jesus was killed right after flipping his shit because there were money changers operating in the temple.

    He'd be livid to find out how the church used his sacrifice for humanity to get wealthy.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    But I kinda like pretty and big churches. E.g. Sagrada Família is amazing - that was built for all of us to enjoy, not just the church narrowly.

    They feel different to me than a megachurch pastor buying his second personal jet.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I have toured the vatican, expecting opulence. I was somewhat disappointed that it wasn't wealthy feeling. They have purposely made the vatican appear humble, despite their wealth on paper.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    The vatican needs to brun for other reasons, but is in hot water in this case because they oppose zionist mandated supremacist genocide of innocents.

    Jesus would support the pope's actions in this one case.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Jesus was not big on religious authorities.

    For a lot of good reasons.
    The Sanhedrin (Jewish court organized by Rome to allow Jewish self governance on certain issues) convicted Jesus of blasphemy (based on nothing more than his words) and recommended his execution to the roman governor, who rubber stamped it. They violated a bunch of their own rules to do this, including holding a secret council at night, and on a holiday. It was all complete horseshit done by some politically connected crybullies.

    So yeah, Jesus was not big on religious authorities of the day, as they were no better than the authorities in the same positions now. Nor has the dynamic changed much, or the players. We're still doing nothing about it though. Religious "authorities" -- especially zionists--are all bastards who should be ignored in any civilized society. The core issue here is that they had any authority at all, and that Pontius Pilate was incompetent and didnt do his job which was to order the sanhedrin to sit the eff down and shut the eff up, and follow the existing Roman civil laws-- not their own stupid laws.

    TLDR: Historic lesson here is that when religious leaders get mad and demand sectarian violence, slap them till they sit the eff own, no exceptions.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    You understand that magats are typically protestant right?

    Jesus (as written) would likely be very upset about a church that builds enormous cathedrals, hoards gold, has a corrupt "priest class" and has at times waged war.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Another thing to know about is that most of the Supreme Court justices are Catholics

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    There's still a lot of Catholics in the movement.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope, they hated the last Pope as well. They would kill him themself if they could. There are exceptions but by and large the American Catholic Church leadership are Nazis.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope,

    Even though the current pope is literally one of them. An American Catholic.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but he's somewhat progressive shudders

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    My grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic her whole life, even getting awarded for her service to the church, said that the Pope needed to mind his own business when he was criticizing Trump wanting to build the wall in his first term.

    I'm glad she died before his second term.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Bullshit. You can’t compare Catholic leadership to MAGAts. They may be pretty conservative but by and large are horrified by this administration.

    This is not “both conservatives are the same”

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is making some heavy assumptions about what the average MAGAT knows about Jesus. As far as most of them are concerned, Jesus' favorite gun would be an AR-15.

    For them, the Bible is merely a thick paper tweet to be used to smack anybody who disagrees with them like a cartoon character smacking a dog with the newspaper.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    This is making some heavy assumptions about what the average MAGAT knows about Jesus. As far as most of them are concerned, Jesus’ favorite gun would be an AR-15.

    Sure - but one thing they also know is that "Catholics aren't Christian".

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    If I was the pope and meeting JD the couch fucker was in the agenda, I'd also decline. Considering what happened to the previous pope who met that turd with makeup.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Also, unless the meeting is on your own turf, how do you diplomatically refuse to sit on a couch that was there with JD before you got there? I don't think pope training covers this.

    Especially in the Oval Office: chances are non-zero that any seat you might take in the room has had either diaper breach, Crown Prince Couchfucker after hours, or both.

    A guy who has to dress in white for the job has to think about these things, because if he sits on the wrong couch in the white robe, when he stands up again now it's HIS story. So in the end it's gotta be either "I'll just stand, thanks," or like you said, not go at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    I dunno I think theres a vague quiet dignity to a politician who dresses like a clown or a heavily makeupped whore (no offense intended to legit prostitutes). All he needs now is a "I dont care, do you" coat to go full whore and I will give him a full dignity/self-awareness point and smallest ounce of respect.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So they threatened the pope of the catholic church with assassination.... Thats some Israeli level shit. Is Trump even the president at this point?

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    let's not forget Vance already killed the last pope by extreme cringe

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Completely understandable if you lose the will to live after meeting Vance

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The last pope died shortly after meeting with Vance. Sure he had pneumonia (but felt well enough to take a meeting), but Vance could conceivably have had something on his hand that interacted with the popes diminished health. Its pure speculation of course, and no one can prove it either way and the timing is suspect, when you see them now threatening the current pope with assassination. Assassination just comes to their mind huh?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Vance doesn't exactly look like the kind of guy who prioritizes washing his hands after a visit to the bathroom ..or couch. Who knows what he had growing under those fingernails.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It would be ironic if Trump does to the Vatican what he did to Venezuela, even after the US Catholic Bishops' drive toward outlawing Abortion might have been the decisive factor giving Trump enough support to win both elections.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    From what I've seen, there seems to be a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world. If the Republicans continue to antagonize the Pope, that would probably work in their favor.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You're not wrong, but that's not the way Catholicism works. People overplay the "infallibility" angle, but the bishops are supposed to listen to the Pope, that's the whole point.

    The logical end result of "a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world." is either that the US bishops get in line, or we have a new Schism.

    And I think this Pope knows it. The original Pope Leo is literally the Patron Saint of "defending against heresy". He chose that name for a reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You're totally right about the fact that they're supposed to follow the Pope, but they're also throwing references to the Avignon Papacy.

    It could also very well be a schism where you have the American cardinals declare the Pope is from their own ranks backed by the State while another is in Rome. We've already seen a superpower do this with Buddhism.

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  • [+] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • So when do prominent american catholics start getting excommunicated?

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    We're gonna get a schism and the Church of America because Trump is basically Henry VIII but somehow even more disgusting

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Hate to break it to you, but we already have this. It's known as Evangelicalism.

    (And yes, I know that there are decent folks in the Evangelical world; I've met them. But, overall, the movement has become a cesspit of fascist-aligned nationalistic heresy that doesn't even really seem to believe in the person at the center of Christianity. Also, the great irony of your example is that the American branch of Henry VIII's church--the Episcopal Church--is now considered too woke to be Christian by these people.)

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Oh yeah, I forgot about the Episcopals

    Still, I think every schism probably had people saying "But we already have [religion]" before they went down

    Whether or not there are decent evangelicals was kinda beside my point (I was just imagining historical parallels), but I agree and it's definitely worth repeating

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    [–] 22 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Kinda funny considering this pope is an American.

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  • [+] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    He literally is, what do you mean?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    To add:

    An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.

    Pope: US Born -> Lives in Popelandia -> Expat

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Does threatening The Pope and starting a war with Iran disqualify you from retaining a gold plastic FIFA Peace Prize?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    "Did u even say thank you, pope?" -Vance

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The mafia has more subtly and self control than anyone in this administration.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Organized crime is in bed with the administration make no mistake. They are junior partners, or in the case of organized crime in the service of certain nation-state actors they are controlling partners.

    Just as an aside, when Steve Bannon was in prison, he hung out with the mobsters.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Nazis also had a problem with the Vatican during War World Two, What could possibly be the common reason now?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Someone in the meeting then reportedly mentioned the Avignon Papacy to Pierre. This refers to a 14th century attack on the Vatican by the French king, in which Pope Boniface VIII was murdered by assassins and the Vatican was forced to relocate to Avignon where it could be controlled by the French crown for the next 67 years.

    Sounds like they’re threatening to do to the pope what they did to Maduro.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Missed opportunity for the Pope to rid us of the Antichrist

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This is a huge story and I'm trying to find another source that also claims threats were made.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    I've seen other references elsewhere. Any quotes on what was said seem to reference the Free Press article. But the other sources are still reporting that there was a meeting, and the Vatican didn't like what they heard,whatever it was.

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/pope-leo-visit-us-trump-president-b2954080.html

    According to Vatican and U.S. officials who were briefed on the meeting and spoke to the publication, the Pentagon criticized the Pope's statements in January, interpreting them as hostile attacks on Trump's policies.

    ....

    A Vatican official speaking to The Free Press said the Pope has no plans to visit the U.S. while Trump is in office.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago

    https://www.newsweek.com/avignon-papacy-explained-what-reported-us-threat-to-pope-and-vatican-means-11803877

    As things got heated, Colby reportedly lectured Cardinal Pierre on the military power of the U.S. and told him that the Catholic Church must pick a side, according to Hale, and mentioned the “Avignon papacy.”

    All information about the meeting was obtained by Ferraresi from Vatican and U.S. officials briefed on the Pentagon meeting. What Could Such a Reference Indicate?

    There is no doubt that a reference to the “Avignon papacy” by a Pentagon official was meant to make the Vatican feel uneasy about crossing the Trump administration.

    Some have suggested that the reference of this chapter of medieval history might signal the Trump administration’s intention to trigger a new schism, while others think it would suggest its willingness to use military force against the Holy See. Ferraresi, however, said that interpreting it as a military threat is “just absurd.”

    According to Mike Young, author of a newsletter on civic accountability, the mention of the “Avignon papacy” was a reference to “an implicit model for what happens to religious institutions that oppose state power.”

    In a post on X, he wrote: “That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s a studied historical reference deployed deliberately in a room with the Pope's senior diplomat. The message was not subtle.”

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Every day a new low.

    We won't fully recover from this in the lifetime of anyone reading this comment. Just putting that out there. If we ever recover. The class divide is becoming so extreme the ultra wealthy are going to have power it'll be extremely hard to claw back from them.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    gonna find out the Vatican is sitting on weapons far more powerful than nukes

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Proof that religion is a hoax. If it were real, the Pope wouldn't be able to resist splashing Trump with Holy Water.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Well, just look at what JD Vance did to the last one.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Couchfucker is doubly going to hell now

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    People forget head of the Vatican is an incredibly powerful political position. The pope changing his plans doesn’t say he’s afraid of you. It says you are less reasonable than the Catholic Church.

    His absence is so much more damaging to the GOP than his presence. He played them good!

    That being said, I am a little disappointed the pope didn’t call Donald’s bluff. If he shows up and died on American soil, the entire world (who needs only half a reason to stop tolerating our shit) would unite against us. If he survived, Trump would look even more impotent. Damn.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Same vibe as Stalins

    How many divisions does the pope command?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    How many divisions does the pope command?

    Yep-- theres 1.4 billion catholics of various training levels-- its also 22% of the US population. Add that to the 2 billion muslims who already in need of some justice, and its starting to add up to a real insurgency risk, no matter how big the US military is. If Trump assassinates the pope and is caught in any way, its ON in the US.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Whos stronger Vatican security or secret service?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I, for one, would not mess with the Swiss guard. They are highly trained AND they wear those ridiculous outfits. Someone willing to wear that orange and blue nonsense with that coffee filter collar while brandishing a halberd is not to be trifled with.

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