GRAPEVINE, TEXAS — Joseph Bolick feels betrayed by President Donald Trump. And it’s because of the war in Iran.

The 30-year-old Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran voted for Trump in 2024. But at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference gathering this week he sported a hat emblazoned with “America First” — a slogan Trump championed during his campaign, along with the promise not to start new wars in foreign countries.

“He’s lied about everything,” said Bolick. “If you go into a war where there’s no end game, how is it going to end? There’s no clear objective.”

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[–] 170 points 7 months ago (16 children)

So the war is the straw that broke the camel’s back? Not that he’s a rapist or a convicted felon? Not that he let Musk destroy the government? Or that ICE is running rampant kidnapping and killing Americans and people of other nationalities? Or that he illegally sunk foreign boats in international waters? Or that he is trying undermine the constitution they hold so dear? Or that he raised the cost of living? Or he killed a million Americans by pretending Covid wasn’t real and told people to try stupid things?

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  • [–] 73 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    him being a pedophile racist dictator with a long documented history of lying and grifting was a good thing for his supporters. they saw him as relatable.

    the problem for them is that gas prices went up. so now it affects them a little bit.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    And the young Republicans boys don't want to be sent to war ! They may be stupid but they know who gets sent to wars.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    The poor, minority men who don't have enough cash or clout from Daddy to get out of it or get cushy non-frontline positions? Cause that's who gets sent to fight these wars. These guys would be officers sitting in offices and not fighting. And they know it as well as we do.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I keep seeing this pattern. I think a lot of former supporters are really sick of his shit and are just looking for the most politically convenient excuse to finally break with him. E.g. Joe Kent.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    So... revelations around him being a child predator is not a politically convenient excuse to break with him?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Keep in mind that many of these MAGA folks are in a tribe that will make excuses for anything their idol does, and the tribe will follow because that is what a tribe does. They are in a tribe because they are weak people, mentally and morally.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    How about the thing these dumbasses really pretend to care about - spending? This moron has spent almost 6 TRILLION fuckin' dollars since he returned to office and inflation is through the roof (just like last time you fucking geniuses!) but I'm gonna need a crystal ball to know who they're going to blame it on because he hasn't been elected yet. Whoever they blame, you can bet his last name won't be TRUMP.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    For many, they believed him when he said those were lies and political attacks.

    Basically everything related to the Iran War however is easily demonstrably false. And the ramifications quick and obvious to the average person. It's one of the reasons the admin is working so quickly to prevent news reporting they haven't approved about it.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I was gonna throw another few out, but the truth is you could keep going forever. There is no bottom to his depravity, and there is no limit to his criminality. Any list, no matter how exhaustive, would come up short.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    a rapist

    Yeah, but he's just getting what men should be getting, the concept of 'rape' doesn't make sense since women shouldn't have a say in it

    convicted felon

    That's just those libs falsely persecuting him you see.

    let Musk destroy the government?

    The biggest thing was this super liberal sounding US AID where we help people who should be lifting themselves up by their bootstraps

    kidnapping and killing Americans and people of other nationalities

    You mean those spanish speaking people who don't speak American good enough? Or the libs that deserve what they got for being libs?

    sunk foreign boats in international waters

    Yeah, those were some of them non-Muricans again, good riddance

    undermine the constitution

    Yeah, but imagine how much that'll own the libs!

    pretending Covid wasn’t real and told people to try stupid things?

    Covid wasn't real, and if it was, it wasn't his fault and I'm sure Fauci is somehow to blame...

    he raised the cost of living

    Well, that's where we are now, my 10 mile to the gallon vehicle now costs hundreds of dollars to fill up, and that is what matters. All to help out some jews that MAGA largely otherwise looks down upon.

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  • [–] 80 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice American lives in order for the U.S. to achieve its goals in Iran, compared with less than half of younger MAGA men who say the same.

    Yeah no shit. The younger guys are the ones who are gonna get shot and blown up.

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  • [–] [S] 41 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    What goals would those be? Would it be opening the Strait of Hormuz? Or how about an Iran without nuclear weapons?

    Funny how we had both of those "goals" before the shitgibbon started the war.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Excuse me, its now the Strait of Trump. Did you not watch the God Emperor say so yesterday?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Did he actually say that?

    I stopped paying attention for like 5 minutes and he does about 11 stupid things.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Translation: A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice American other people's lives.

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    30-year-old veteran, eh? The real "leopards ate my face" is gonna be when he gets called back up and shipped out.

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago

    Because…

    as usual

    It’s finally affecting them personally. Gas and diesel prices are rising. Wait until food starts to go higher again.

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago

    If only he had a lifetime history of pathological lying to serve as a warning flag.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago
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    puts hand in fire

    Ow! The fire that we were warned incessantly to be excruciatingly hot, burned our other hand once already, then incessantly warned would burn us again if we did the same thing, just burned is again when we did the same thing! 😢

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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    A 30-year-old Iraq war veteran? That math ain't mathing

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    (Checking)

    Iraq war ended in 2011. If you were born in 1996 (to be 30 today) you would be 18 in 2014, well after that war ended...

    So either the article is 3+ years old, or calling the person 30 was rounding down.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    American troops pulled out of Iraq this year, so I imagine anyone stationed there who was involved with the post war (i.e. ISIS) are considered 'Iraq' vets.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think "shaky ground" is doing a lot of work here.

    The head of the "you're hurting the wrong people" party will have those chronically online young MAGA men back in his good graces with ease. All it takes is one situation where these men are faced with a situation where they are asked to acknowledge transgender people as human beings, or lord forbid, a black pilot is flying their plane.

    Besides, if those things never happen, it still won't matter. The thing about chronically online young men is that next year there will be a new crop ready to replace the ones that got shipped off to die or be crapped on after they come back disabled.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    asked to acknowledge transgender people as human beings, or lord forbid, a black pilot is flying their plane.

    I don't know about the trans bit, but I expect servicemen will be a bit more tolerant of black people: I'm of the opinion that black people are over-represented in the military since they are also far more likely to be from economically disadvantaged areas and thus more likely to enlist so they can get any job vs none.

    One of my workmates immigrated to Canada to be with a really sweet and beautiful girl, but his background is Montgomery, Marines artillery, and Navy. He said a massive portion of servicemen are either out of prison or avoiding the poverty-driven choices that leads to prison. He's the only one of his childhood friend group who is not in a cell or a grave right now.

    So I would anticipate servicemen to be aware of class struggle a bit more, and will have learned that blood is thicker than water.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    They aren't turning on him. He's not on shaky ground. You people are damn fools I'd you believe that.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    Most Republicans are not turning on Trump, true. But it doesn't take more than ~5% switching from Republican to Democrat, to make Republicans never win a national election again.

    Looking in from Europe, the immovability of US voters is quite bizarre to me. Most people I know don't have being a "Republican" or similar as part of their personal identity.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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    That's not them turning on Trump. That's them being so conditioned to cheer for anything they hear on stage that they're just mindlessly cheering. You can't honestly think they're wanting to impeach Trump, come on man, there's no way you're that fucking stupid to believe that.

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    If you voted for Trump again in 2024, thats on you. Anybody with half a brain knew he lies as naturally as he breaths.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    "Read my lips, no new wars"?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    It's interesting watching it. A lot of conservative voters are old enough to remember the shitshow of the Iraq war and I wonder if that's part of what's making them sweat

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Huh. I guess they don't appreciate Trump's mastery of 3D chess after all.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago*

    Nah, Their hate for womens choice and that choice isn't them will keep them voting for hate.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "America First"? Trump is not wrong, he simply didn't tell you the verb. "Sell America First".

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    On the plus side for humanity, it's a volatile group known to express displeasure through ballistics, and at the same time ideally placed/uncolored/gendered to get within range.

    Don't fuck it up, boys.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah but if this lot could actually aim worth a damn we wouldn't be having this problem right now.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, just can't rely on them for anything! Thomas Crooks could have walked right up into that rally but instead tried for the sniper shot, and didn't sneak well enough to be calm and unobserved while aiming. Slipshod work.

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    I hope you all get dragged out of Mom's house to go to Basic, dumbasses.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    For every idiot who voted for it, an innocent young person is also shoved into it. So I can't hope for forcing it.

    However, I'm all for pushing manly men proud boys to sign up for basic. Would teach them what actually serving is like. Not the CoD wet dream they have, but cleaning and replacing tires on humvees.

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    [–] 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's amazing how trump showed the entire world just how stupid and sheep like the US is.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    A friend of mine messaged me this today:

    Idk if I'm now regretting my voting decisions. Things are still expensive.

    I explained to him two years ago why Trump was the worst candidate for my friend, specifically (Indian, student loans, went to med school and Trump was picking RFK Jr, project 2025, will destroy many departments and it will take decades to rebuild, supreme court seats, etc.). I was not interested in extending an olive branch to that shit today, so I berated him and brought receipts. Not sure he will message me again for awhile. Fucking asshole still doesn't know if he made a bad decision 2 years ago. Their stupidity is indefensible. They must be even dumber today than 2 years ago because we have yet more evidence of terrible governing from the fucking orange turd and they don't know if they are regretting their stupidity yet.

    Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I hope it's not too late. Europe cannot stand against Russia, China, and the U.S., if that's what we become.

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    "But I could never vote for a Democrat because "

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    More than 70 percent of those over 35 believe Trump has a plan, compared with 49 percent of those under 35. A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice American lives in order for the U.S. to achieve its goals in Iran, compared with less than half of younger MAGA men who say the same. And the younger men are significantly less likely to say the war is aligned with MAGA principles and in the interests of American people.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    First time?

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    More than 70 percent of those over 35 believe Trump has a plan

    belief, thought with no basis in fact.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    All it would take is just 1 more Joe Rogan interview to bring them back.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    Them: That's just trump, he's a bullshitter...

    Trump: lies about Iran

    Them: Whuuuuuuuut?????

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Oh, you finally figured out he's been lying about everything?

    Really, really fucking late to that realization, but better late than never, I guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    'young MAGA men'. picture a fat old man in a red hat, only 4 ft tall

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Obama and Trump are just tragedy and farce; an outsider candidate promises to change things and then just does what his party always does when he's actually in office. Obama just did more Clinton third wayism, Trump just does more Bush neoconservativism.

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