What comic books, movies, and TV shows are blatantly copycats or rip-offs of previous comics, movies, or shows, but despite being a copycat or rip-off, are still pretty good?

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[–] 38 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The Lion King is basically Hamlet with animals. 

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Lion King is as much Hamlet as Frozen is The Snow Queen, which is to say, it really isn't.

    Lion King is loosely inspired by, but doesn't actually follow the same story structure or present the same conflicts/tension or explore the same themes as Hamlet.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The Lion King is a rip-off of Japan's Kimba the White Lion.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    The Orville is clearly a copy cat of Star Trek and is too tier.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Seth MacFarlane is a huge Trekkie and The Orville is him paying homage

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Which I think is genuinely incredible. Watching the show evolve from a Star Trek Spoof to a Star Trek Comedy all the way to Just Star Trek was breathtaking.

    And to think, one of the most crucial plot points of the show--and how it evolved to encompass bigger and more profound issues--came from a gay joke.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    We talking, like, O Brother, Where Art Thou? being based on Homer’s Odyssey?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I think early Disney movies are pretty good. They usually just took an archaic horror story intended for adults, got rid of all the gore and murder, rewrote the rest, and somehow ended up with a children's movie. Those ripoff versions became so famous and influential that people no longer think of the originals.

    Maybe in two hundred years someone will start ripping off Saw movies to make kindergarten holo-ventures. Oh no! Jeff Denlon, the ice cream merchant, got stuck in the freezer. Can you find the key to the door?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The Grim brother tales were always meant for children, they even did some early edits to make them more child friendly such as changing evil mother for evil stepmother. I guess we just had more tolerance for exposing children to violence back when they were released.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    The first versions were pretty brutal, even by the standards of the day. After all the revisions, those stories were probably more tolerable, but they were still pretty metal IMO. For example, here's a quote from Cinderella.

    And when it was evening Cinderella wanted to go home, and the prince was about to go with her, when she ran past him so quickly that he could not follow her. But he had laid a plan, and had caused all the steps to be spread with pitch, so that as she rushed down them the left shoe of the maiden remained sticking in it. The prince picked it up, and saw that it was of gold, and very small and slender. The next morning he went to the father and told him that none should be his bride save the one whose foot the golden shoe should fit. Then the two sisters were very glad, because they had pretty feet. The eldest went to her room to try on the shoe, and her mother stood by. But she could not get her great toe into it, for the shoe was too small; then her mother handed her a knife, and said, "Cut the toe off, for when you are queen you will never have to go on foot." So the girl cut her toe off, squeezed her foot into the shoe, concealed the pain, and went down to the prince. Then he took her with him on his horse as his bride, and rode off. They had to pass by the grave, and there sat the two pigeons on the hazel bush, and cried,
    "There they go, there they go!
    There is blood on her shoe;
    The shoe is too small,
    Not the right bride at all!"
    Then the prince looked at her shoe, and saw the blood flowing. And he turned his horse round and took the false bride home again, saying she was not the right one, and that the other sister must try on the shoe. So she went into her room to do so, and got her toes comfortably in, but her heel was too large. Then her mother handed her the knife, saying, "Cut a piece off your heel; when you are queen you will never have to go on foot." So the girl cut a piece off her heel, and thrust her foot into the shoe, concealed the pain, and went down to the prince, who took his bride before him on his horse and rode off. When they passed by the hazel bush the two pigeons sat there and cried,
    "There they go, there they go!
    There is blood on her shoe;
    The shoe is too small,
    Not the right bride at all!"
    Then the prince looked at her foot, and saw how the blood was flowing from the shoe, and staining the white stocking. And he turned his horse round and brought the false bride home again. "This is not the right one," said he, "have you no other daughter?" - "No," said the man, "only my dead wife left behind her a little stunted Cinderella; it is impossible that she can be the bride." But the King's son ordered her to be sent for, but the mother said, "Oh no! she is much too dirty, I could not let her be seen." But he would have her fetched, and so Cinderella had to appear. First she washed her face and hands quite clean, and went in and curtseyed to the prince, who held out to her the golden shoe. Then she sat down on a stool, drew her foot out of the heavy wooden shoe, and slipped it into the golden one, which fitted it perfectly. And when she stood up, and the prince looked in her face, he knew again the beautiful maiden that had danced with him, and he cried, "This is the right bride!" The step-mother and the two sisters were thunderstruck, and grew pale with anger; but he put Cinderella before him on his horse and rode off. And as they passed the hazel bush, the two white pigeons cried,
    "There they go, there they go!
    No blood on her shoe;
    The shoe's not too small,
    The right bride is she after all."

    That wasn't from the latest Saw movie. That was from a book that's intended for children, as far as the author is concerned. Who knows how messed up the first version was.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago*

    Jaws is basically "An Enemy of the People" (by Henrik Ibsen) in a modern wrapping.

    And Avatar is pretty much space-Pocahontas

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Ad Astra (2019) is Apocalypse Now (1979) but in space.

    Avatar (2009) is Dances with Wolves (1990) but in space.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Back when Avatar came out, I heard someone call it "Fern Gully with better graphics."

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    There was a YouTube trend of making Avatar trailers with the audio but then using the graphics for movies like Fern Gully and Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001). Turns out there are a lot of 'going native' movies.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    ‘Apocalypse Now’ is based on Joseph Conrad's 1899 novella ‘Heart of Darkness’, in which the events happen on the Congo river.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The video game Spec Ops: The Line is essentially both stories, but set in Dubai after a cataclysmic sandstorm.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    I remember reading that one of military story shooter games had a particularly great mission where the player descends on a city from the surrounding elevation or somesuch. And I've heard multiple times recently that ‘The Line’ is quite outstanding with its story and gameplay. Is it the same game, by any chance? I don't think there's any elevation near Dubai, so probably not, but just to make sure.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't remember of any particularly great mission descending onto a city, there are some segments that could fot the description, but honestly Spec Ops: The Line is not memorable for its gameplay, it's just average and it's meant to be, the point of the game is in the story. Although I think that playing it now might not be as impactful as when it first released and every other game was a third-person shooter, but it still I strongly recommend it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Yeah it’s hard to get the same feeling now compared to back in the day when everything was a beige military shooter.

    The story is still good but I think that meta layer of “I do this constantly in games and don’t think about it” won’t hit the same way for people that didn’t grow up at the time. A bit sad.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Avatar is absolutely not Dances with Wolves. It is Pocahontas. Throw in a couple musical numbers and it's real close to being a shot-for-shot remake of the Disney movie.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Another example of the 'gone native' plot line in the wake of Dances With Wolves. Pocahontas had the advantage of Dances With Wolves coming out first. So it smoothed some of those edges.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Sure, same general premise, but the structure is very different between them. In Dances with Wolves, Dunbar is basically abandoned by his people and slowly assimilates into the local village. By the time Dunbar's people return in the third act, they're no longer his people at all. In Pocahontas and Avatar, Smith and Sully are part of an active and present colonial force, wind up on generally friendly terms with the locals, start dating the chief's daughter, and wind up with a strong case of conflicting loyalties, having to pick between their people and their lover's people when the fighting starts.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    F. W. Murnau wanted to make a cinema adaptation of ‘Dracula’, but didn't get the permission. So he shrugged, changed some details, and made the 1922 ‘Nosferatu’.

    Guess what, the original Dracula wasn't affected by sunlight. That whole trope of the vampire genre comes from ‘Nosferatu’.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a Daredevil parody/love letter.

    They get their powers from the same accident that gives Matt Murdoch his.

    Mentor? Splinter / Stick. Enemy? The Foot / The Hand.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Except it’s not.

    You’ve spotted some surface similarities, but they’re most likely coincidental or unconscious influences at best. To my knowledge the creators never said Daredevil was a major influence.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    From what I've heard, 'TMNT' is basically a wide-reaching parody of the comic genre at the time. 'Daredevil' was one of the influences, just like noted in the Wikipedia article:

    The concept parodied several elements popular in superhero comics of the time — the teenagers of New Teen Titans, the mutants of Uncanny X-Men and the ninja skills of Daredevil — combined with the comic tradition of funny animals such as Howard the Duck.

    They developed a backstory referencing further elements of Daredevil: like Daredevil, the Turtles are altered by radioactive material, and their sensei, Splinter, is a play on Daredevil's sensei, Stick.

    Idk how you read that article to have missed that. It's also been noted more than once before that the 'radioactive spill' or whatever by which the turtles are affected is supposedly the exact same incident that is Daredevil's origin story.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Eastman and Laird were taking potshots at everyone because they had nothing to lose, and were both having fun and working hard. It's a specific kind of indie spirit that I'm glad to see all over the place in webtoons and webcomics these days.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The Magnificent 7 and A Fistful of Dollars are just Seven Samurai and Yojimbo but westerns.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Romeo & Juliet was based on Tristan & Isolde

    10 Things I Hate About You was based on The Taming of the Shrew

    Clueless was based on Emma

    "Immature artists imitate, mature artists steal."

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Apocalypse Now is basically Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Battle Beyond the Stars is just The Magnificent Seven in space, which was The Seven Samurai in the west.

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    The Punisher is just The Executioner with the serial numbers filed off. Any given person is much more likely to have heard of The Punisher.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    After Michael Crichton's Westworld bombed, one of his friends recommend he explore the same themes with dinosaurs instead, so he wrote Jurassic Park.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Willy’s Wonderland is a way better Five Nights at Freddie’s than the actual Five Nights at Freddie’s.

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    Not quite the same, but: more than a few classic films are remakes. The 1959 ‘Ben-Hur’ is a remake of the 1925 film, which itself was the second cinema adaptation of the novel, after the 1907 film.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Rent is based on La Boheme, it never tried to hide it. The character have almost identical names and they swapped tuberculosis with AIDS and it’s 100 years later.

    I always wondered if La Boheme hit as hard in the 1890’s as Rent did in the 1990’s.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    All of them.

    There are only a couple dozen or so quality stories.
    Everything is a ripoff or mashup of those.

    Some have narrowed it down to only 7 stories.

    • Overcoming the Monster
    • Rags to Riches
    • The Quest
    • Rebirth
    • Comedy
    • Tragedy
    • Voyage and Return
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I think there's also an important distinction to be made here, especially for many of these examples.

    Ripoff - "a usually cheap exploitive imitation"

    Homage - "something that shows respect or attests to the worth or influence of another"

    I think many of the examples of "good ones" would likely be homages, rather than ripoffs. Although thats not to say, some ripoffs can't be good on their own too.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    You're going to get into the blurry distinction between a ripoff and a tribute or an homage.

    Captain America: The Winter Soldier has a lot of Three Days of the Condor, but is that a ripoff, or an homage?

    Ditto Star Wars and Hidden Fortress.

    Fistful of Dollars and For a Few Dollars More were uncredited remakes of Yojimbo and Sanjuro, and as I recall Kurosawa was pretty annoyed, so that probably counts as a ripoff.

    Oreo cookies came out four years after Hydrox cookies, and I'd say they surpassed the original.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Is Rick and Morty a cheating answer?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Deep Space Nine ripped off Babylon 5. Fans love them both, because instead of one sci-fi political drama on a space station, we got two!

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    While the characters are based on Charlton Comics characters DC had recently acquired (Dr. Manhattan ≈ Captain Atom, Rorschach ≈ The Question, Nite Owl ≈ Blue Beetle, Silk Spectre ≈ Nightshade, and possibly also Quality Comics' Phantom Lady and DC's own Black Canary, Ozymandias ≈ Thunderbolt, The Comedian ≈ Peacemaker), Moore's story is mostly original, inasmuch as stories can be.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Didn’t twilight start as a fan fiction?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Not Twilight itself, but 50 Shades of Gray started as a Twilight fan fiction

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Would that fit OP's question of "actually pretty good" though?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    You know more nickle back songs than nirvana.

    “Pretty good?” You’ve heard of the movie. It must be pretty good even if we haven’t watched it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Twilight zone! There are different run of the series. Many reimagined stories from the first run, some better than others, as is such with the first run. There are stale episodes by today's standards.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    The Avengers are technically a rip off of the OG Justice League.

    Also, OG Silent Hill to OG Resident Evil.

    I guess you could say the OG Avatar rips off Disney's Pocahontas.

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  • A lot of people thinks Shakespeare was pretty good

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Hangover 2 was basically Hangover 1, and I assume Hangover 3 was as well. Still pretty good

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Bored of the Rings

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Polar was ripoff of the Keanu Reeves movies.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    D.E.B.S. is a love letter to spy spoof films

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    The Dog Man books are great and many are based on classic novels like A Tale of Two Kitties, Lord of the Fleas, Brawl of the Wild, Fetch 22, etc. They are among the best kids books I have ever read.

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