Ive been thinking of going caffeine and alcohol free for a while. Alcohol wouldnt be an issue but I really love coffee.

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[–] 56 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I have, in fact, been told I am a man of very little substance.

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  • [–] 66 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I don't think I could make it through the day without oxygen.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Dihydrogen Monoxide addict too aren't you?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    Why go caffeine free?

    I sadly figure the oil companies will make us all go caffeine free in the medium to long term, so may as well enjoy it now before it becomes a luxury of the wealthy.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    For one, to see if I can (been drinking coffee since I was maybe 7 or so)

    For two, because maybe I'd feel better or sleep better !

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    withdrawals can be rough, but I think it's worth trying

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe I'll try only 1 cup of kaf a day to start then do every other..

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    yes, a gradual taper is a good idea - much better than cold turkey.

    Eventually switching to black tea, then green tea, then white tea would also help.

    Might also be good to keep a log as a way to ensure you know exactly how many mg of caffeine you're consuming, and to keep yourself honest.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    I’ve been having caffeine for about a decade, around 400mg a day. It has changed my brain, so tapering slowly seems like the only sustainable solution.

    If I go cold turkey I’m just too miserable and cognitively incapable. I think my sweet spot is around 5% reductions every 4-7 days.

    Just wanted to let you know that maybe your target reductions could be even smaller.

    If 5% every couple of days is too slow, I’ve heard people doing up to 15% every couple of days. Of course, the only way for you to know what works for you is testing it.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Pretty sure there is some caffinated tea leaf that is native to the USA.

    Edit: Ilex vomitoria

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Very cool, never heard of it.. What an unfortunate latin name due to colonial misunderstanding.

    I'm sure more enviromenally-hardy caffeine producing plants like this will become more popular and economically relevant as time goes on.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    You should try it - some people report various health benefits. Others report no effect. (and half from both groups are looking at what they care about and ignoring other evidence) Your doctors may have guidance on how it affects you.

    I'm only asking for a 2 week trial. Then evaluate if it is worth going longer or not.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Caffeine is enjoyable to me but it affects my mental state a lot, in some ways negatively. In particular I feel less able to think about things holistically, way more tunnel vision type thinking. It's worrying that so many people use it every day and I make an effort not to.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Totally fair enough, thanks for entertaining my curiousity. It is psychoactive which would be concerning about its widespread use if it wasn't so clearly studied. Kicking the alcohol is definitely a far more impactful improvement to holistic health. Good luck in your efforts.

    I have ADHD so caffeine is a useful tool for me, and I do love the flavour and scent.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Thanks, I agree alcohol is way worse (I feel so much better in general since I stopped drinking on a regular basis), caffeine isn't likely to do major harm to a person using it, it's just got that subtle influence, which may be a positive thing for you, I just think people should give it more consideration and not let it become an automatic choice.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I love my caffeine, as an undiagnosed but very high certainty person with ADHD. However, I like to go caffeine free every once in a while, for like a week or so, at minimum to reset my tolerance. I can see why someone would want to go without. You don't realize how it effects you until you don't have any. You'll have headaches for a few days, but the withdrawals aren't too bad.

    It's a drug, like any other. You should try to understand how it effects you and your addiction/reliance on it. Sure, it isn't particularly dangerous, but I still think it's healthy to know how your body reacts. I think it's weird that people treat caffeine as if it isn't a drug, just because most people are addicted to it.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Alcohol, cannabis, and methamphetamine free since '95. Nicotine free since '03. Caffeine free since '15.

    Now if I could kick sugar.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Good luck on the angel dust addiction.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks. I kicked sugary drinks with the caffeine in '15. But still have a hard time with it in general. I will go months with none, then I get an urge for something and before I know it I am Augustus Gloop.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    To be fair, that one is a totally natural urge, and it isn't unhealthy on its own. We crave it because it gives us energy. It's great for a survival instinct. The issue is we have far too easy access to sugar now, where we trivially get an unhealthy amount. It's hard to fight biological instinct. It's like trying to drown yourself. Your body will fight back before you succeed. Luckily our craving for sugar is something that we can attempt to control.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    sugar isn't really an addictive drug and shouldn't be compared to nicotine, alcohol, meth, etc.

    Even if food can function as a reward and lead to compulsive behaviors, you can't live without food, and eating food (even sugary foods) doesn't lead to addiction the way we think nicotine does.

    So, yeah - incorporate healthier diet and all that, but know that as long as you're not eating too much sugar it's actually fine in moderation.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean, what's your point? OP says they struggle with it and want to curb what they see as a problem, that's the bottom line. Sex and porn aren't addictive drugs, you wouldn't walk into a meeting and "um ackschully" it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Don’t sex and porn release hormones that can act as drugs?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I don't take anything (other than supplements, meds), still I could be eating healthier.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    One thing that helped me quit coffee was drinking tea. I know it's still got caffeine, but if you're drinking 4 or 5 cups a day that brings the amount of caffeine waaaay down.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    I am. I grew up around drug and alcohol addiction. Tried it. Hated it. Decided none of this was for me. Drugs is easy. Everybody in my house usually scampers away like roaches to do drugs. Alcohol is very much a family thing. Can't watch a game without someone screaming shots or drink. I usually end up hiding in my room.

    Coffee makes me nauseous and I'm not trying to feel like I need to shit before I got something to do. Plus the crash is way worse than the energy its supposedly supposed to give me.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy, and alcohol. Co-co-co-co-co-cocaine.

    Definitely not 100%

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I am 100% free. Not even alcool or coffee bro. I used to drink a lot of energy drinks and coffee but they almost killed me so I stopped and removed everything containing relevant amounts of caffeine (including coke) and similar thing such as non decaffeinated tea

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I drink tea, but not like a "coffee drinker" drinks coffee, nor how the average American drinks soda.

    The caffeine doesn't feel noticeable to me, but I am still mindful of drinking it right before bed.

    I just like my oolong sessions.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    what do you consider "substance free"?

    I drink alcohol and caffeine both less frequently than once a week, but I do consume both occasionally (usually for fun, or socially).

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Not daily I guess. So like 1 coffee and 1 beer a week or 2

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    then yes, I'm "substance free"

    EDIT:

    my rule is that I'll use any sufficiently safe drug (no street drugs with solvents still in them, gross), but I won't use any drug more than one day in a row, and some drugs I guarantee a longer period without - e.g. I'll let myself smoke cigarettes or use nicotine, but then I take note of the date or month and then won't use it again for a whole month. Usually I get cravings in the first few days after, sometimes even a week or two after, but they go away and eventually I lose interest. Part of the reason for this is also to reduce the health impact of nicotine use (not just addiction, but cancer risk).

    I also prefer to not let myself use any of the same class of drug two days in a row, e.g. not taking downers two days in a row. Part of this is to ensure I stay healthy and protect my sleep, etc. - but part of it is also just so I don't build up any tolerance and so the drugs stay at their most effective and useful to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Man I always find that even a single cup of coffee really fucks me up on el/vyvanse, I had to switch to decaf

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I was going to ask if you meant right now, or in general, but if coffee is included, I'm out either way.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The nukes are about to fly bro, just enjoy life.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I'm living without alcohol and caffeine (except in tea and chocolate) and really never have the feeling of missing anything. Can recommend.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Lately I've been mostly avoiding caffeine, but probably for a different reason than OP.
    My goal is to get to the point where if I need to stay alert, caffeine would have a significant effect. So far I believe I'm not there yet, if I ever will be. (Might be genetic)

    I don't like the taste or smell of alcohol, so that's just never been a thing for me.

    Never smoked or vaped anything. Can't understand why people start smoking nicotine, when it seems so obviously terrible.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Caffeine, no. Everything else, yes.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    I have yet to evolve beyond my corporeal form, so not me.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    As a corporate dev, I'll keep my weed and caffeine thanks

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Caffeine and sugar are my two big vices. It would be healthier to drop the sugar than the caffeine, but it generally isn't considered a drug. But I get my simple carbs (and caffeine) every day.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm just not interested in drugs whatsoever. Including caffeine. I could never tell a single difference when I tried it, so what's the point?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I can't tell either but now I welcome it's morning warmth. And afternoon warmth. And evening warmth. 💀

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I use substance almost every day, either substance painter or designer

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I am a man of substance

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    My alcohol and caffeine history is pretty typical, grew out of drinking and found a reasonable relationship with coffee and tea.

    Now weed gives me hangovers and the potential for bad trips. I have never been a regular stoner, and I am considering limiting myself even further (every few months). Psychedelics even less, but that kind of comes by design, if you are a responsible person.

    There is no way in hell that I am touching opiates or amphetamines for recreation. I know I am someone who enjoys drugs, and I don't know if I had the willpower to stop if I start.

    All in all, quite happy with the status quo. Everything in moderation, even the moderation.

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  • Does this question mean "i consume substances and couldn't do without it" or "i consume substances for recreational usages"?

    because these questions entail very different consequences. imagine your hobby is woodworking. your friend snarkily asks you whether you're ok or addicted and actually need therapy to learn to live without it. it would probably be a dumb thing to say because having hobbies is healthy, and i believe recreational drug use can be a hobby too. (within reasonable limits)

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Never abused substances

    Or even used if you don’t count caffeine

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Excluding tea: My ADHD meds (aka methamphetamines)
    Including tea: That and ADHD meds.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I would consider myself substance free, although I do drink caffeinated soda and once or twice a year maybe a coffee or alcohol. I like to freak people out by doing that it's funny

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Sober 6 months. It’s better

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    "I don't want another drink, I don't want another bump I'm afraid of falling down if I get much further up I don't want another hit, I don't want another shot Don't you make another line that I do not wanna cross

    My friends, their friends, their friends' friends Are trying to kill me, really Everybody that I know Is trying to kill me, really"

    honestly i go through cycles

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Nope, have caffeine in the veins right now and had alcohol last night. Have weed gummies once a month or so. I do occasionally go for a month or more without any of them just to confirm I am doing it by choice.

    Moderation is the key, and going without for a period of time is definitely a good thing to do.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Clean all my life but I've been thinking

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I've never done drugs or drank alcohol. I used to get a little too obsessed with hyper fixations when I was younger, so I figured that wouldn't end well. I'd probably be fine now but like...why at this point?

    I've been on a soda and coffee kick recently but I routinely cut it out completely and I'm usually the better for it. I'll be heading back to the gym soon after not having time so it'll probably be then. My body feels weird if I'm exercising but eating/drinking garbage Might have headaches for a few days depending on how bad your caffeine or sugar addiction was.

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