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[–] 63 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just mentioned how I didn't like people recommending this like last week and got "ok" as a response lol. Some people are just ignorant and don't care.

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  • [+] 104 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 258 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It's a for profit ad company making a "privacy first browser".

    Thinking for literaly a second about that sentence should tell you all you need to know.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    you can do privacy friendly ads, it's not because the entire industry has evolved to an horrible point that the good way of doing it can't exist

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is true. Ryan North of Dinosaur Comics used to run and maintain a good sort of ad service called Project Wonderful, that catered to webcomics and blogs and didn't track users. Sadly he shut it down in 2018.

    Currently I know of Comicad Network that's trying a similar kind of thing.

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  • [+] -14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    it's the best browser out there right now. did you know it has the TOR net and ad blocking built in? great huh?

    where does firefox make its money

    IS IT FROM GOOGLE SEARCHES?

    so what have the owners done to the lgbtq+ community in the last 5 years?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Customized firefox, zen browser, helium, and mullvad all with some kind of assortment of privacy extentions.

    On Android, we got ironfox and cromite. most of the same privacy extentions are applicable.

    If you want to use the tor network, go use the tor browser.

    Frankly, I do not care that much that Mozilla makes most of its money from Google. I can change the search engine as the first thing I do and this fact simply stops affecting my experience negatively, especially on Firefox derivates.

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  • [–] 136 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They also tried to get away with URL injection. Do not use Brave.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Basically the thing that turned the internet against Honey, but when a homophobic piece of shit does it it's fine

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Honey swapped the referal code when another reflink was clicked, brave only applied it's own code when no referral was used. Not saying that it's good but honey was purposefully robbing creators, often their own partners when brave only tried to make some money on the side.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    They added referrals to links you clicked. If there is one thing a browser should do its go to the link you click without modification.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    As far as I remember, there is some browser with a feature of stripping tracking id from the URL, that is modification, but I find it good (if I can opt in, and if the feature is visible enough to know what to try if it doesn't work)

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And you chose to do that or it was a feature that was advertised to you. Adding referral IDs to links you click so the browser company gets money is not comparable to that at all.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    I use Firefox. I know it's not perfect, but it's not that bad.

    And if I didn't, I'd use Vivaldi. Only reason I don't is I do prefer open source whenever possible and, well, Firefox isn't Chromium.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Firefox is the only browser that has mobile extensions, making it the only choice

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    But it kills the battery on mobile, even scrolling it choppy.

    I switched to the Samsung browser a few years ago, I don't know what black magic they do but it's super smooth and light on the battery. It has some plugin support but I don't use it so can't comment much about it. It's chromium based.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    What phone were you using?

    I I've never had any issue with firefox, with regards to battery or scrolling, but i use 8 year old flagship (Got it used, I'm not Mr.Moneybags).. which is probably still better than a budget phone of today, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    Relatively new Samsung S24 Ultra, similar as you: "old" flagship bought used. The scrolling on the Samsung browser is like an iPhone, with Firefox like a windows 95 :(

    Happened with a previous Samsung as well. On my old oneplus everything was kinda choppy.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Well, Samsung is enshitified with its newer phones, that I have no doubt that an S24 would run non-samsung shit poorly to force you to use samsung shit.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Samsung was enshittified with their older phones too.

    Pixels are shit too.

    I had a One Plus 9 Pro and it was honestly my first phone that I traded in and felt like I got a huge downgrade. It just worked.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt it's on purpose, many other non-Samsung apps run fine, even when a samsung alternative exists, it's specifically the browser that is weird. Which is a pity, since I do use Firefox on my desktop and laptop, but the mobile experience is just frustrating.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    On my Z Fold 6, I do notice that Samsung Internet, Chrome, etc are smoother, that is absolutely true. It's not really enough to matter to me, though, doesn't really warrant being described as "choppy" in my experience. My default is IronFox with uBlock Origin.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 58 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Brave is just a shitty browser. Did not know they were anti-freedom kind of people. Makes browser no-no.

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    [–] 44 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I did not know Brendan Eich was ousted from Mozilla and launched Brave because he was a homophobe who funded anti-LGBT+ campaigns 😬

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    He also created JavaScript, but I don't see people getting upset and telling others to not use JavaScript.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Well, JavaScript has a lot of horrible features, but it's ubiquitous and we're stuck with it for the time being. Certainly it's another thing to blame Eich for, rather than something that mitigates his other shitty behavior.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Didnt know JS can collect data and transmit it to their creator.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Neither does Brave unless you specifically opt in to those services. It's open source, you can check for yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    yeah a few of these where made opt in after the userbase backlashed when they made them opt out by default

    they actually have a tendency of making changes this way, i don't see why i should trust them with anything

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    FWIW I remember a former colleague who recommended it to me and his argument was about the cryptocurrency you "earn" from it.

    I asked him if he could withdraw it. I asked him if he tried. He said not yet but he would. He came back to me few days later saying something along the line that "it's not straightforward" which was a polite way to say he didn't manage yet. He worked in IT.

    To be clear I'm not saying it's a scam or that one can't use the crypto "earned" from it but at least back then, few years ago, some people were just riding on the hope, or even faith, that it would amount to something yet it seemed made in such a way to just hold.

    So... not a scam but not exactly empowering users IMHO.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Yeah it kinda mystifies me that anyone is still recommending that shitty bigotware.

    In the emulation scene, RetroArch is in a similar boat if I'm understanding things correctly. Awful maintainers, but people keep recommending it and supporting it. Sucks too, because there are even fewer alternatives there.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Whats going on with RetroArch? I havent really paid attention/kept up since I set up my last Raspberry Pi.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This website details various issues. I'd suggest looking at the Byuu page - as I understand it the RetroArch devs played a large role in the harrassments that were being done to the developer of Higan/bsnes, which eventually led to them killing themself.

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I used retro arch a decade ago, and when setting up a emulation pi last year the consensus seemed to be batocera. No idea if its better, but it's as easy to use as I remembered and my kids are still enjoying it, so not too unstable.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Batocera is a relatively minimalist Linux distro for emulation specifically. It's one example that kind of highlights the problem I'm referring to. All of these retro software stacks still use RetroArch to varying degrees, and depend on it. Even alternative frontends like Emulation Station are just built on top of the same libraries. Or as another example, for most game systems, RetroAchievements only currently work on RetroArch.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think a lot of pro-Brave people are astroturfers, or heavily influenced by astroturfers. They are definitely not a first choice by any privacy advocate worth their salt.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago*

    Also, the Brave defenders in this section… holy moly.

    Some folks simply cannot admit they made a questionable choice. They picked it and use it, so everyone else must be wrong.

    I’ve met people like this in real life.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (17 children)

    I have been using Brave for its out of the box ad and tracker blocking. I'd been uncomfortable with the new AI features and had always been skeptical of the crypto integration, but it wasn't until this post that I realized it was appreciably worse than Firefox on those counts, nor how bad the people running it are.

    Obviously, I'm now looking for other options. I've seen some good recs for desktop browsers elsewhere on this post, but what I'm not seeing is a lot of good mobile browser suggestions that will have the desired features. What would the folks here suggest for an e/OS browsing experience with similar or better privacy and ad blocking options? I know there's Firefox, but A. With all the AI it keeps pushing, I'm sure there has to be better and B. I do also have mobile Firefox but have found it substantially less usable for my habit of browsing with a zillion tabs both non-incognito and incognito, so I mostly had only been it when I couldn't get a video to play in Brave.

    I am, obviously, willing to run de-Googled Chromium, but if something else is going to actually support 100+ tabs in a performant fashion I'd be happy to totally de-Chromium too.

    I also use the shit out of profiles on Brave desktop, though mobile doesn't support it. Do the Firefox forks like Waterfox have a similar option on desktop? Does another browser? I know it's a feature Chrome has because I do sadly have to use Chrome for work, so I would expect at least the de-Googled Chromium-based ones would?

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  • [+] [S] 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    LibreWolf looks promising. No mobile app, but they recommend IronFox for that, so I just downloaded that to play with. Thanks!

    Edit: mobile IronFox is looking pretty good so far. Made configuring privacy settings an option just out of the box, which I appreciate. Biggest problem right now is that I can't seem to figure out how to import my bookmarks from Brave.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I’ve been using Vivaldi (chromium-based) for about three years now. It’s customizable and has been generally solid. Also has a couple of unique tab management features. Doesn’t have builtin ad blocking afaik. But for that I use adguard desktop and route all my traffic through it, which filters out ads regardless of which browser I’m in. On iOS I can recommend Orion by kagi. It’s the only other webkit browser besides Safari, runs light, and has decent builtin ad blocking

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Vivaldi does have a built in adblocker but it's not the best yet.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    But it does come with a free tier of proton vpn. Great if you don't need to use a vpn too often but need one in a pinch.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    Currently trying mobile IronFox. I'm liking the privacy options and how stuff like unlock origin is literally included in the setup process. Their dark mode is nice and they offer a lot of compatibility options.

    Biggest downsides I'm seeing so far (I'll see about keeping this updated as I go):

    1. Can't seem to figure out how to import my bookmarks from Brave, and I have looked extensively.
    2. No tab groups (not the end of the world, but it was a nice feature). EDIT: Looks like Collections does that! EDIT TWO: Not really good for Incognito mode though.
    3. Clears your browser history by default on close, which may be undesired behavior. (I personally tend to use incognito for most things and then transfer sites over to tabs in non-incognito (cognito?) modes if I want them available regularly, so for me this was undesired, but it was easy to turn off.)
    4. Brave had a built-in experimental dark mode to dark modify websites that I am not seeing in IronFox. I'm sure there are extensions that will do it for me, so I'll go looking, but I just discovered so many sites I did not realize were light mode all along. Reading mode also does the trick for most articles.
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  • [+] [S] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I got the export step on my own, but I swear IronFox does not have the Manage Bookmarks option anywhere. Starting to think I'm just going to need to grab a Mozilla account, upload my bookmarks to LibreWolf on desktop, sync bookmarks, and pull them to IronFox that way.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    The minute I see that malware junk, I immediately uninstall it.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    It's also a chromium browser.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I used Brave for a few years. I made like $10-$40, but the popup ads were super annoying, especially as someone who uses 3 ad blockers. Not to mention the other issues... Not Worth It.

    In recent history I've used Chrome -> Brave -> Firefox -> LibreWolf -> Floorp -> Midori... So far Midori is good but still testing.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Is there anything else with ad blocker for iOS?

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