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[–] 318 points 7 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 116 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    So many of these things just seem incredibly bizarre once you're used to Linux.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    Until you do a dist-upgrade and random shit breaks (:

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago

    At least that's usually an honest mistake, instead of some managers trying to juice their numbers through dark patterns.

    Unless, of course, you're using Ubuntu. Then it might also be a manager trying to juice their numbers.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I do a yay (sudo pacman -Syu, under the hood) every two weeks or so and shit don't break. Dunno what weird program dependencies y'all have for stuff to break so often.

    In any case, if shit broke, I have snapshots of the last 5 days and last 5 upgrades. It's automatic, not rocket science.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Dude, Arch is a rolling release, it has no dist-upgrade equivalent. You're not even in the right conversation.

    Debian, Ubuntu, .. and plenty of other distros have. Just upgrading my server from Ubuntu 22 to 24 (both LTS) took an hour or two of fixing things.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Then ... don't do that?

    Is there something that 24 had and 22 didn't and you just had to have that feature? If not, just stick with 22.

    Or if you're one of those who just has to have the latest of everything, you should be on a rolling release distro instead, and you won't have this issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You are the one that introduced a non rolling release distro in a generic Linux chain. It was generic Linux, then you did a comment specific to non rolling distros, then I did one specific to rolling distros.

    I wanted to highlight the disparity of the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.

    I don't see a problem with our comment exchange.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.

    Personally, I still prefer the non-rolling distros.

    A rolling distro might break on any update, and you never know when.

    But for non-rolling, you can wait until you have available time to deal with any issues. Sure there will be issues and things that need reconfiguring -- you basically just reinstalled your whole OS. But you can choose when and if that happens, so you can schedule it for a convenient time when you've got time and energy to work on it if necessary.

    (And, personally, I wouldn't do the dist-upgrade thing at all. I just download the newest LTS version and install it as a fresh install, then port everything important over from backups. Nice fresh start with no old baggage hanging around. Often, I'd do that at the same time as a major hardware upgrade as well, so it's basically a new PC.)

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  • [–] 76 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    "Your system does not support Windows 11".

    Best error message I ever got!

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  • [+] 92 points 7 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    +1 massgrave. Got the extended support for my regular W10 pro. After that, it's going to be debian if - fingers crossed - nothing breaks. It's a 6700K build.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I put Windows 11 on it's own hard drive, so it couldn't corrupt the rest of the system.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago

    My boss at work told it to download thinking that he would have a choice to install in when he wanted. Now he understands what a virus is.

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  • [–] 117 points 7 months ago (22 children)

    I'm deeply sorry. If it's any consolation, it will eventually happen to everybody.

    Or at least everybody that didn't see the light and adopt The Penguin... But let's leave religion to another time.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    BTW, Arch is awesome.

    ( actually, i use Manjaro. but it's based on arch. so that still counts, right?)

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    so that still counts, right?

    Still counts. You now have to say you use arch every hour, otherwise you'll implode.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Wait...does this apply to all Arch based distros? If so I haven't been talking about it nearly enough.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    please don't go any further without mentioning you use arch, it can be dangerous!!!

    I noticed this while I was using arch, btw.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    manjaro has had a lot of drama and problems in the past and i don't think it's really a good distro to use. they forgot to renew their ssl certificate multiple times, they break software due to their weird update strategy (they use custom repos which hold back updates mostly arbitrarily for a week) which breaks dependencies and sometimes breaks the entire system, and their gui package manager once overwhelmed the AUR with traffic.

    a better alternative with an easy gui installer would be endeavouros or cachyos. endeavour is basically manjaro except competent and with regular arch packages. cachy has its own repos (in order to build specialized versions of packages), but it keeps in sync with the regular arch repos.

    though of course if manjaro is working for you that's great and any amount of linux use is good. manjaro is just a bit temperamental. i also understand that some people can't just distrohop, for example because they don't have a separate home partition, or not enough space to copy important files elsewhere before wiping their partitions.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    False. My machine officially isn't upgradeable to W11 cause it's too old. Also, it's possible that LTSC doesn't even suggest to upgrade.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Don't leave us hanging. What distro?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Half a dozen of them have real cost/benefits trade-offs that make preaching for a single one harmful. The other thousand are just completely useless waste of time not worth mentioning.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I have to use it, it's the corporate setup. Every day I envy plumbers who unclog toilets.

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  • [+] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    ZorinOS is nice to Windows users if you want ui similarity

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I installed Zorin on a second hand thinkcentre yesterday to test out, and I really like it. I use Mint on my laptop, and I'm pretty satisfied with that. I'm evaluating both of them as a permanent replacement for windows 11 on my main PC and it's down to those two.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    More like a downgrade

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Thank god it requires enabling something my BIOS has disabled by default and I don't need it for anything, otherwise my install of 10 would have already been turned into 11 on its own.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    My BlueIris Server: Press any key to install windows 11 Me: ehh fine, i don't ever touch that box, Click My BlueIris Server: Sorry you computer doesn't support windows 11, you should replace...

    One day Frigate, one day, but today is not your day.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    great opportunity to try out bazzite or cachyos :P

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    That happened to me, but I'm happy with CachyOS now for most things. I can't believe how much it a step down 11 was from 10 though, it was astounding. Worse than 7 to 8, even.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Really pissed because about a year ago in february it upgraded without my informed consent and I never noticed until something else bad happened. You can only downgrade if you notice within a week.

    It's real fuckin insidious, I had already reformatted my PC once too recently so I juuuust kinda toughed it out.

    Anyways, they keep everything same-ish which prevents you from noticing they changed your whole OS which should be illegal.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago
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    Downgrade your PC to avoid having this issue. Follow me for more terrible tech tips you should never have to do in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Poser! A real Roman would just fall on his sword.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    ITT: people giving unasked for advice to a comic on a comedic community because they simply cannot help themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Linux users aren't known for their impulse control.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

    Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

    There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    You can rollback easily. I've upgraded to Windows 11 a while ago and after 48 hours, I rolled back to 10. But this is how I will feel like in October.

    And no, Linux is NOT an option for me, at least for my main PC. My laptop gets Linux, as there I don't do stuff, that isn't running under Linux. But I still hope that Microslop does something good and fix their shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    What's limiting you to windows?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    First would be programming and second gaming. Not all my games I own, do work with ProtonDB and with programming, well parts we use, don't work with Linux. We tried. Its probably just figuring out the right settings but spending several hours tweaking everything, in the hope to get it properly running, isn't worth it, when it all runs on Windows out of the box.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'm surprised you've managed to find a way to program that doesn't work far better on Linux than on Windows. I ended up having to use WSL at work because Windows was so obnoxious (and they don't allow anything else on the intranet).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, the software I use is heavily connected within Windows. Old versions where developed for MacOS and Linux, but they dumped that for quite some time. They even use sub .NET5 as framework. Even our customers are pissed with Windows 11, as they now all upgrade or already upgraded. For SSL key stuff, I do use WSL as well, as I couldn't really got it working under Windows.

    When you really want to know what pain is, try working with their admin panels. I did learn some basic Windows Server stuff but their admin panels... all Windows OSes are childs play. I would rather use Windows 8 (not 8.1) or Vista, as this shit. And the joke is, we don't use the complicated stuff. Office, Visual Studio and Teams (well we do need some meeting software and if we have Teams, why not using it?). Office is a requirement, as our document/archive/CMS system only has an plugin for Word under Windows. We tried switching, but outside the IT department, no one, even the CEO, took some time to test alternatives, that they feel comfortable to use. For building our software, I actually want to look if there is a better solution but no time and a massive backlog. We need to argue a lot with our CEO, when we mention we change some of the operation stuff.

    But hey, there is some good things. I convinced the company to use a Linux Server for some stuff. Inside the IT, we can and do switch stuff, when it benefits our workflow but outside, nobody is interested, even though it could make stuff so much easier. We did installed a test system and gave everyone access but nobody tested it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    But what about using a separate computer for work and leaving your main pc running Linux?

    At work I have a win11 laptop that the company provided, and I just connect to it via RDP from my Linux desktop. I only use the laptop for anything that needs the mandated windows-only VPN. Everything else I run on my desktop, even slack, as things are much smoother locally than on a win11 craptop.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Not OP, and i main linux on all fronts, but still have to have a few windows machines around:

    There are still some viable gaming reasons, There's still software like blue iris and corporate crap (Outlook, Office and you need to collaborate with office users). There are Adobe products, Autodesk products.

    You can try to play swapsies with things here and there, but sometimes it's more work than it's worth and sometimes you're straight up not allowed to swap.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    In my case, my GPU (Nvidia 1060 something) has problems with Linux, games don't run as well as on Windows by a huge margin.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Odd, I've found that anything 970 or newer has good support.

    1060 may be some weird exception. But I have found the same issues with a gtx 670, badly implemented drivers from nvidia and the open source one can't even properly render. But it's a 12y old card or something, so I'm not really surprised.

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