I'm a whole lot less computer literate than I was when I attempted it in my 20s, I also really only play some games nowadays and binge watch stupid on YouTube... the computer has become less of my life in my 40s so learning a new system sounds like... work.
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I would need games to be supported, as well as engineering programs I need like solidworks, ansys, etc
I already use Linux, on and off, but the lack of support for a (proper) CAD program is the biggest issue for me.
For me, as someone who's not into esports-games, I just expect games to work on Linux now, and they nearly always do. The exception has been a couple of old or obscure titles that run fine in a virtual machine. I'm not running any fancy version of Linux, just Mint, and the only thing I do to get them to work, is install them on Steam. Proton is amazing.
If you are into esports-games, though, there's a risk that they'll require kernel-level anticheat, and Linux does not do that.
It feels like the problem with Linux gaming nowadays, is that people expect you to own your games on Steam. Yes, Steam's support is excellent now. But my GOG games not so smoothly. Is it because of my obscure hardware? Is it my misconfiguration? Or is it me mod my games the wrong way? I'm still trying to figure out a way to mod my GOG Skyrim through MO2.
Most games are, but there's a few asterisks mostly not because Linux is incapable of running it but because there's super invasive anti-cheat that doesn't allow it.
I need games to be supported
SteamOS and steam consoles will be really helpful for this I think
Edit: typo
I assume you mean games? If so, yeah I'd love to get into steamos stuff if that's an option for my pc but it'd have to be like a real os not just geared for gaming. Do you have any info on that
Edit: but tbh I probably can't because like I said I need my work programs
I have a steam deck, which is in console mode most of the time, but seems fully capable of acting as a desktop. The only issue is the fact that it's console shaped, but that's no fault of the os.
Steam is amazing on any Intel version of Linux. 95% of games work. It's not true that you have to use Bazzite or SteamOS to play games, I ran a bunch of No Man's Sky on Manjaro Linux.
Steam and Heroic have been working fine for me for playing games on Linux.
I get that there are different Distros and that having options is great, but it's a double edged sword. It also means that things get more complicated and some get more support than others.
If I commit to Linux then my whole house will switch to that Distro because I don't have time to figure and support >4 PCs with similar but different OSs.
Autocad - for work
Photoshop - for work
Getting more software companies to support.
Make the terminal easier to use. I don't use it often but when I do I waste an average of 15min just trying to find a guide or wiki. A help file or built in guide would be nice
Everyone that uses Linux, expects you to be a Linux expert
Steam is great but a native GOG app would be nice. Instead of Herolauncher
Anti cheat support from games
Hardware support. Just finding drivers for peripherals is sometimes more trouble than it's worth
Generally make it more inviting to new users
More support for WINE and Proton
Having the time to dick around and get a linux distro up to my current speed with windows. Or someone else making a distro that mirrors windows 10 capabilities, and utilities (even mundane things like control panel and it's branches to other settings) and verbose explanations of functionality in the onboard help docs or subtext of options. Or an onboard llm asshole like clippy that can be conversed with om how to accomplish something the linux way.
I think what the linux community misses or forgets is that windows became popular partly because it held people's hands so much. If linux users want to see the year of linux come to fruition they need to make the distros walk people through a task instead of pointing at the wall and saying "up".
Conversely I think the linux world says they want everyone to use it but I wonder if they actually want that: everyone using linux means the computing and advertising world pivots and makes linux equivalents of everything, including all the gate keeping, scummy business, malware/adware/tracking...
And how would the advertising world even get their shitty software onto your computer? Unlike windows, there isn't some monolithic corporate entity making decisions about your computer for you.
The same way they got their shitty software into everything: deals with producers. Your mom/aunt isn't going to build her own pc/phone, theyre going to buy what they can at the store, which would be something sold by dell or HP or whomever, who cut a deal to discount some price by including McAfee or printer-easy-setup-utilities that advertise new ink or printers.
So worst case, your mom/aunt deal with the same amount of advertising crap that they always have, but anyone who wants to can remove this stuff and use the same Linux as they do today.
Yes, until they lock down the software by pushing out the smaller people via certification requirements, specific signing methods, and branded closed-source apps while gating the open source repositories however they can try.
I'm not saying all this to deter adoption btw, this is just how it seems to go: the public puts work into something to make it good it gets co-opted by corps and they enshittify whilst marketing it to the world, so everyone gets in with 1 idea and it changes to the same old mess.
Your last paragraph nails it. I'm not trying to get the whole world to switch, but I'd be happy to get the like minded peopleout who haven't switched.
When it stops being a tool that works for me and starts working for corpos, well, then I will be in the minority again.
This topic used to come up all the time on Reddit subs, but this is the first time I can remember seeing it on Lemmy.
Some distros’ discord servers and sites have actually set up AI assistants to handle that clippy concept of being able to ask questions without judgmental users responding.
I stayed with Windows largely because their guidance to those actions was generally good, and left when it started sucking - when a Start search for some normal desktop action instead gave a website article that got an automated “Try restarting” answer from an MS volunteer.
I still don’t think Linux guides people all that well (better or worse depending on the distro). These days, I think it does get better than Windows if only because Microsoft got so lazy with their own product.
The “suckyness carryover” isn’t as natural as you think when people can fork distros so easily.
Someone answered about their wife so I will to. My wife hasn't switched because her husband doesn't encourage it because it's the only computer (of many) left in the house with Windows on it, and occasionally there's some Window's only program you have to download to update the maps in your car or something like that, and it's nice to still have one machine that can do it (rather than paying the dealer...).
I have many comments about your assumptions about Linux but I'll hold my tongue.
I haven’t used Windows in over 20 years. I’m not sure what random things you’d need it for. In fact when I fix people’s Windows machines I oftentimes have to use Linux to do it.
This is the specific example I was talking about: https://apps.nissan.navshop.com/en_gb/
I'm sure it could run in wine if I was snarter or kept at it, but I tried it, it didn't work straight away, so I used the windows laptop because I wasn't in the mood to spend hours troubleshooting when I had the choice.
I would be curious if it works for you and what your steps are as I do need to run it every 6 months or so to update maps. I use Nobara but also have Bazzite and Mint computers available if there's some distro oddity.
Also if you know how to tell tomtom that my house in a quiet street that people crawl along isn't an 80kph zone that would be great 😆
Have you just tried a VM? Or WinBoat (which is just a VM). You don’t have to use wine for everything windows related. Sometimes you can just use a VM.
But there's a windows laptop right there 😆
I'm asking as a learning exercise rather than because I desperately need to get it working on my machine.
Yeah I understand that. I just recently switched and just never even started my windows partition since. Makes it real easy to tell what’s important in my life.
For various reasons, my family is tied to a small number of programs that don't have 1:1 equivalents on Linux. So far nobody is willing to deal with the inconvenience of switching to alternatives. I'm trying my best to convert them, though.
If GIMP and Inkscape looked and felt closer to Photoshop and Illustrator, that would help greatly. Also, if I could find a good alternative to InDesign that wasn't tied to a cloud service or a subscription license.
Funny, I could never afford photoshop so I find GIMP much easier to get around in 😆. There used to be a GIMP plugin that changed everything to be like Photoshop, not sure if it still exists. But GIMP doesn't have feature parity with Photoshop, one of these days we'll be able to draw shapes.
Is InDesign not already a subscription service?
There used to be a GIMP plugin that changed everything to be like Photoshop, not sure if it still exists.
PhotoGIMP, and yeah it's still around.
Personally I tend to just use Krita for most photo-shoppy things since I find the interface nicer to use, but I have to admit gimp has been making some solid improvements lately.
InDesign is on subscription licenses like the rest of Adobe's products, unfortunately.
My wife does book layouts and miscellaneous graphic design work, and she's been using Adobe tools for so long it's like muscle memory. Using anything else that's slightly different is akin to someone rearrange your kitchen while you are away. The tools you need are still there, but now you have to go hunting for every little thing.
You mentioned not being able to find a good alternative not tied to a subscription. Seems like if you find a good alternative tied to a subscription she could use it!
But yes I understand that change is hard. I spent years working in Excel, hate the thing, but it's so very hard to change to LibreOffice Calc.
Adobe products can run on wine now. As of a few weeks ago. I still need to test it more in depth, but they started at least!
What about Photopea? https://www.photopea.com/
nobody should be using adobe, not even on windows. made thebswitch tonaffinity and never looked back
I would want Ableton to work well and without complicated funky bridging virtual bullshit. Yeah yeah I know about bitwig. I want Ableton
What I would give to be able to comfortably give up MacOS. I don’t even hate it, but Ableton is about the only software that I need it for.
Ableton, recordbox, and traktor are really the only things keeping me from moving full time.
I didn't want to go back to Windows so bad, I actually taught myself Reaper lol. It's by far the best DAW I've used (former FL and Abelton user,).
Not gonna like, though, it was a pretty rough ride and steep initial learning curve like all creative programs be. I could like it to playing the guitar for ten years and suddenly you have to play left-handed. Like, you can so do it, but fuuuuuuuu
Yeah I've used Reaper too and I prefer it for certain types of work, especially orchestral composition, because of the more powerful midi editing. But for digital sound design Ableton seems much more powerful still - do you agree, or maybe I need to look into reaper's effects more?
I theory you can do the same stuff, just a different workflow. Stock reaper fX are...ok. But vsts perform the same. But.....not so much on Linux. Some do, but others like native instruments don't nativly. And that's what's holding me back from Linux. Too deep into eco systems that aren't supported. NI, addict it'd ive keys, addictive drums, izotope. If I moved to linux it'd change my sound.
Yeah, I do a lot of midi and mic stuff these days as it's ended up being faster in production to play than to UI tweak. I've found Reaper's "on the fly" for recording so much better (once learned and the brain clicks) and it's phenomenal score mapping/creation out of the box 😙👌
Just little things like being able to build macros for single key presses with a wireless keyboard behind the e-drums orplugged up guitar, it's so streamlined and fast.
But as far as effects go, if they're not coming from my hardware, I can load in whatever plugins I need. I've heard some older systems can struggle with VSTs in Linux, but never had an issue. Plus it only takes a single line and a minute to load in a low latency kernal, specifically for real-time processing of live controllers. No more fucking around with ASIO4ALL setups lol
But, yes, Abelton out of the box, much like FL, comes with better native stuff. However, I rarely use native these days as some brilliant nerd or production company out there has made better stuff I can just load in. The emphasis on the W in DAW is very proniunced with Reaper.
My wife wants to switch eventually but might not be before windows 12
She does 99% of her computer stuff in a browser anyway, and the last 1% is in the ms office suite, which is why she hasnt moved yet
She would like to switch to libreoffice but she is not interested in learning that yet
Could use the browser versions of the office tools as an intermediary.
Or just select Windows when booting up. I do that simply for 365 when remote working. Clean Windows install on its own drive and somehow it still gives me grief 🤣
Today Outlook and Power BI didn't open. Spent about twenty minutes updating, reinstalling, rebooting, and nothing. Had a meeting, reboot, all works again. Silly me never completed the random ritual in order.
You can also run all the office stuff in WinBoat. Only Office is pretty close to ms office as well, but is missing some really important stuff that really pissed my wife off.
I recommend trying out OnlyOffice. It's free and it's scarily similar to MS Office, to the point where there's no learning curve and it's impressive how they haven't gotten sued yet. Plus, it's got a Windows version so you can try it out without committing to Linux
I'm not a fan of LibreOffice, even with the GUI tweaks to make it look like MS Office, so I've been actively finding Office alternatives for a long time now. OnlyOffice is by far the best one I've found
I switched my laptop to Arch a bit over a year ago but my desktop is still on Windows 11.
The main thing that's holding me back is the lack of raw photo editing software that matches my workflow. I've tried RawTherapee, Darktable, RapidRAW and a couple of others. So far, everything was either cumbersome to use, was missing important features or had suboptimal performance. With dozens if not hundreds of candidates, even one more minute of editing time per photo can quickly add up. Many of my gigs are event photography and my clients often want at least the roughly edited previews within 24-48 hours.
If any of you knows a tool that accurately replicates the UX, feature set and performance of (ideally) Adobe Camera Raw or (not so ideally) Lightroom, you'd make me the happiest photography nerd on the planet. Bonus points if it correctly imports existing development settings in case I need to re-edit or re-export older photos.
PSA: if you recommend I use GIMP, like so many before you did, I will block you. GIMP is not a raw editor and it can't even open most raw formats without help from one of the tools I mentioned above.
I am curious about how Lightroom workflow is better that Darkable for you. I juste started to learn RAW photo editing with darktable and want to learn more about photography in general
It's probably mostly a matter of getting used to the way Darktable does things and where it puts certain controls.

That's what Camera Raw's basic tab looks like (not my screenshot, I'm at the linux laptop right now). It has most of what I need for a photo to look "okay" before I dive into the other tabs for more in-depth edits. I'm sure Darktable has equivalent functions to all of those (they're very basic after all) but at least with the default UI presets, I need to look through many different tabs and modules with unfamiliar names to find them.
Then there's warnings like "White balance applied twice". Apparently I'm not allowed to use the white balance sliders because the color calibration module already applies white balance? But that module doesn't provide an intuitive way to select color temperature and tint?
I'm sure I could get used to all of that. But right now I don't have the time or energy to learn a completely new editing workflow from scratch. Many open source tools suffer from programmer UI syndrome (I'm allowed to say that, I'm a programmer myself). They do everything the lead maintainer needs them to do but you often need to be intimately familiar with the software's inner workings to understand what each control in the UI does. I don't want to think about the differences between "linear Bradford (ICC v4)", "non-linear Bradford" and "CAT16 (CIECAM16)" color calibration formulas, especially not when I've set my UI to "workflow: beginner". I just want to make my photo a tiny bit warmer. Give me sensible defaults and put the super detailed settings out of the way until I need them.
Thanks for the feedback ! Makes sense, different tools for different purposes I guess. I like Darkatble because it goes in depth with how things work (linear Bradford thing for instance) and I am more into a learning intention rather than a productive and professional objective.
The big thing for me would be official driver & software support from peripheral manufacturers. A few off the top of my head for things I actually use...
Razer mouse software that supports the full range of configuration options available on Windows plus automatic profile switching based on active app.
Configuration software for Yamaha mixers (I do all my audio through an AG08).
StreamDeck software (the open source tooling for StreamDeck is pretty good, so that one's less of an issue, but would still be nice to have parity with windows/mac).
Something like Windows Hello to do face unlock through my Logitech camera when I sit down at the machine.
Razer mouse software that supports the full range of configuration options available on Windows plus automatic profile switching based on active app.
This has been a big sticking point for me. I'm using a Razer Naga (thats the one with the numpad on the side) and like to make use of those extra buttons - esspecially since I play a lot of more complex and/or more competitve games, but even for day-to-day use. Since it doesn't have on board memory, its useless on Linux, and that undoes about a decade of muscle memory (and requires me to buy a new mouse).
people dont realize that micrisoft treats accessibility as a first class citizen. no one comes close to windows in accessibility.
Not to mention msot of the third-party accessibility software that people actually use is for Windows.
A mass migration of business class software to Linux and a majority of businesses switching.
Basically the only time I have to use Windows is for work, and good luck getting the Kafkaesque nightmare of corporate bureaucracy to ever make a change for any reason, let alone something as complex as this
For me it’s because I have an iPhone and Windows has at least some compatibility with it, mainly for syncing my local music collection to my phone so I can listen with Apple Music offline. While it can be a pain, at least it works. If I were to use Linux I would need a way to transfer files between Linux and iPhone so I can listen to my music on a third party iPhone music player app, which I also haven’t found a good solution for yet. If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears!
VLC will let you do this! This is how I got all of my music off of my Linux machine over to my iPad and iPhone. I haven’t tried transferring from iPhone back to Linux, however.
The iPhone is intentionally incompatible with Linux, or at least it was. They dropped support for Linux over 10 years ago.
Lazyness.
I'd try it on a new system but I really don't want to live migrate my whole system.
get Cricut design space studio to work over USB in a bottle, without having to run a whole damn windows virtual machine
I'm not the only person using the machine, and the only other user wants to use a cricut, which requires design space studio
I tried some things on reddit but people trying to figure this specific thing out is a recent development but it just happens to apply to me
For me? Nothing.
Problem is my kids share my computer, and Linux doesn't easily support some of the stuff they like playing. And I don't want to have to spend a bunch of time finagling to get that software running via Wine or whatever.
A lack of laziness I suppose. I've been using it on and off over the years and have Mint in dual boot right now in preperation for a post-win10 migration, but I'm constantly running into various small/large issues. In the past few years I've had issues with wifi drivers, with gpu drivers (f u again nvidia), issues with sleep mode and battery drain, issues with finding equivalent os management tools ( totalcmd, task manager, treeview etc ), issues with "alternative source" games etc. I've also had issues wrapping my head around bottles and wine prefixes ( but I will admit wine is an excellent piece of software and has come a looong way since the mid 00s ).
Linux is great if you're a tinkerer because you will need to tinker with it at some point or another. But as I get older I just can't be arsed most of the time.
This is pretty much me. If Linux and associated software like Proton were at their current state 10 years ago, I would've made the jump by now. At this point, I just can't be bothered. I work in IT, so I already deal with computer stuff at work, and I really don't want to tinker with my pc at home as well. I bought some extra storage a few months ago, partially in preparation to try Linux, but have yet to install it.
A trick I hear you can do with Steam is install the Windows app using Wine, then adding it to Steam as a "non-Steam game" to be able to run it in its version of Proton.
It would probably take having someone sit down and help me switch and teach me the basics, and the guarantee that I wouldn't lose access to any of my games or important programs. Also less bloatware would be beneficial, idk if that's true of Linux, I don't know much about it.
I've found that 90% of users probably wouldn't have a difficult time using Linux as their new OS. The problems usually show up when needing to use terminal or when specific software companies don't support Linux.
The average user that just browses the internet and uses basic office apps most likely wouldn't have any issues.
Find an old PC lying around your home swap the drive out or create a separate partition, there are plenty of YouTube videos out there. Worst case you waste an afternoon.
what games? what programs?
I mostly play Steam games these days, but also Minecraft. Programs, I guess would be Discord, Waterfox, and Tidal. Mostly I just want to be sure that I could do anything with my computer that I wanted to.
Every game and every program cannot be guaranteed to work even after the next Windows update. Almost all games that don't use a kernel level anti cheat will work though.
I'm very likely to switch when I get a new computer. So: getting a new computer
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