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[–] 202 points 8 months ago (6 children)

More like a miniseries, but HBO’s Chernobyl. Some of the best television I’ve ever seen.

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  • [–] 104 points 8 months ago (29 children)

    As a scifi buff: Battlestar Galactica, and The Expanse were excellent. Nightsky was also a really good watch even though it was slow moving, and was more about relationships than SciFi

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  • [–] 74 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    The Expanse is magnificent. And they are at the perfect time to get certain actors back to continue with the Laconia story in the last three books. I want it so badly.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I want to believe they will finish the Expanse.

    At least they ended up on a fairly logical point if not. But I still wonder why they included the Strange Dogs novella if they knew that's the last season.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Have thought the same. Its inclusion doesn’t indicate anything will happen, but it does seem intended to allow such a thing by providing some continuity over a long break.

    I guess it could otherwise just be a brief apology to readers. “Sorry we aren’t getting to this.” But I remain hopeful.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I'm sure that at least some of the people who worked on it hoped it'd be continued in the future in some form. I honestly don't know how it hasn't been. It's not like it wasn't well received. Maybe it wasn't as profitable as the studio wanted, but that's a matter of cutting costs. You don't have to drop the whole thing. With the game coming out, there's clearly interest in it still.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm feeling so-so about The Expanse. I enjoyed the first few books and seasons, but it didn't really capture me once they went through the gate.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I enjoyed it myself, but I remember people thought the Cibola Burn weak. It really picks up after that though. The next two books are peak.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I’m a big fan of the books, but Cibola Burn is by far my least favorite in the series. I heavily dislike the chapters from Dr. Okoye’s view, just too much fawning over Holden, and this is coming from someone who enjoys romance novels. It really is the weakest in the series and picks up after that.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I had similar thoughts. I was able to read the books through the parts that I liked less, and I really liked the story as a whole. I was not able to continue with the series. It's not even bad, but episode after episode there was no meaningful progress, and I just stopped

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I hate Battlestar Galactica so much. The original mini series was amazing. But when it got picked up, it quickly became obvious that the writers had no idea what they were doing and just made shit up from episode to episode. It was so bad. From what I've heard, Lost is another example of this. It's one of the reasons why I prefer movies. The entire story is clear from the get go and there is no creative bullshit happening for no reason. This is one of the reasons why Chernobyl and Andor are so damn good, because the story was complete before they started shooting. I think it's better now in the age of streaming.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    You sound a lot like my son except:

    I think it's better now in the age of streaming.

    He believes that a LOT of series, especially on Netflix, were originally intended to be a 2 hour movie, but Netflix wants "engagement," so they insist that it be spread out over 10 episodes to increase engagement. That leads to storylines where they just create useless meandering plot tangents just to drag it out. Once he pointed it out to me, I'm seeing it a lot.

    I just recently decided to start Him & Her because I saw that it was the current top rated show, and I quit halfway through the second episode, because I realized they were complicating the plot for no other reason than to drag it out. It wasn't compelling, or mysterious, it was annoying.

    Netflix is ruining cinematic storytelling, and the rest are going to follow.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The BSG 2000s remake is a masterpiece of a show. It brings together politics, religion, spirituality, and more and how that all ties into mankind and their robot creations is so good

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  • I very much disagree. It's not a good show. It's great if it works for you, but if one is looking for at least a semblance of cohesive storytelling the show is just so bad. The miniseries the remake started with was very good. The show started off OK, but as it went on, it was so damn obvious that the writers had no plan and just made up dumb shit from episode to episode. Everybody's a Cylon and I quit somewhere early into the last season because I just got so angry with each new episode.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I also disagree. I think they had a good idea of where it was going for the first few seasons. I do think that once the Cylons join them they don't really have an idea of what to do with it though. The ending is a bit of a mess. I'd also agree that a lot of the B plots are not the best, and are just filler, and clearly didn't have a big plan, but what show doesn't have this? The main plot is pretty cohesive and consistent at least up to season 3, and I'd argue a lot of that was solid too.

    I think, if you want to argue they didn't have a plan, you have to reconcile that with the fact that they had secret characters working against the fleet that were hinted at for quite a long time before they were confirmed. They clearly had a long and carefully designed plan. There's just an issue that they have to fill time, so they also have some stupid filler plots that don't go anywhere. I think most of these are fine though. They still add character and depth.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I kinda have to disagree. I know they dis make things up as they went along, but I think they did it pretty well. The writing and acting are pretty good — though you're right it would've benefited from being cohesively written.

    The problem I have is the ending. I hate it, but unlike Game of Thrones I don't hate it in a way I can never watch it again despite the amazing highs.

    The drama and situations they put the characters through in BSG are mostly intense and well done. Some of the things feel a bit random without foreshadowing, but life can be that way. Anyway I think the series is well worth watching I just... I wanted the last few episodes to be something very different from what the show runners had in mind.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm in the middle of a BSG rewatch right now, and I still love it.

    I can see how someone would say that they weren't sure what they were going to do when they hit season 3. But the first season felt very tight. The miniseries had the cliffhanger that one of the main cast was a cylon. It's hard to argue that the first few episodes didn't build on that cliffhanger.

    If you're saying that at the start of the series they didn't know how they were going to end it, sure. There aren't a lot of shows that have a multi-season arc all planned out in advance. Babylon 5 is one of the few I know of that did. The problem is that they never know when they're going to be cancelled, so there's no point in trying to make a huge story arc when they will probably have to end the story early.

    As for movies being better, it's true that they can tell a longer story than a TV series. But a 2 hour movie is basically only 3 episodes of a TV show (at 45 minutes + commercials each). Movies suffer because everything has to be introduced and resolved so quickly. The "creative bullshit happening for no reason" is often foreshadowing of something that will only be resolved many episodes later.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    Just watched the first episode of Night Sky. So far it strikes me as a really good psychological drama about getting old. Not a lot of sci-fi stuff yet.

    J.K. Simmons is a really good actor, especially by American standards. I'd say he's on the level of a good Scandinavian or British actor.

    Anyway, I might just have to binge this. Thanks for the recommendation!

    Edit: The mysterious sci-fi stuff gets interesting around episode 4

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Its lo-fi scifi. Great character development story though

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Just finished watching. I give it an 8/10.

    On an emotional and psychological level, I thought the show led to a pretty satisfying conclusion. Viewers should not expect to have any off their questions about the sci-fi stuff or the intrigue answered, though. Too bad it was cancelled after one season!

    But I can see why it didn't gain a massive audience. It's too slow and psychological for a lot of sci-fi fans, yet it has too much silly sci-fi stuff for fans of realistic psychological dramas. The Spanish parts with subtitles may also have put off a few English-speaking viewers.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    😀 Glad you enjoyed the journey. Yeah, I had hoped for Season 2 to see where it was all headed...oh well

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    If you l like J.K. Simmons, character development and science fiction, you should check out Counterpart, if you haven't seen it already. It's a solid spy thriller where the main plot device is a cool sci-fi concept.

    Knowing anything about the story beforehand will tell you about this plot device, which is a bit of a spoiler for the first episode.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Thanks I had forgotten about this (on my list). Edit. Yes I did watch this, it was a great show.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    dint really like reimagined, the showrunner was obsessed with making it god arc, heard he had religious leanings, and hated it enough to not include the advanced tech of the original series. it was good until the writer strikes happened.

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago* (8 children)
    • A&E's Nero Wolfe
    • Agatha Christie's Poirot (with David Suchet)
    • The Expanse
    • Star Trek: TNG
    • Fleabag (season 2 is a masterpiece, and I don't throw that word around)
    • For All Mankind
    • Archane (season 1 is another masterpiece)
    • Penny Dreadful (it dips in quality in the later seasons, but worth it for the Frankenstein's monster story alone)

    EDIT:

    • Coupling (UK) - Thr first two seasons
    • Keeping Up Appearances
    • IT Crowd
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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    I started Arcane, and pretty soon I felt like they were just ripping off a lot from the 80's Shuiten and Peeter's graphic novels, that I just quit.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    OK. It's a French animation studio that wanted to give their show a distinctively European feel. It makes sense that they would pull aesthetic inspiration from European graphic novels.

    Disco Elysium is one of the greatest video games ever made, and its aesthetics pull heavily from European graphic novels. It'd be a shame to miss out one either because you feel their art style is inspired by previous works.

    If you do decide to watch Arcane, do not binge it. It is meant to be consumed three episodes at a time. My recommendation to anyone reading this is to watch three episodes per day.

    Season 2 is rushed jut Season 1 is perfect.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    80's Shuiten and Peeter's graphic novels

    Those seem to borrow Mœbius' earlier style, which was defining for French and Belgian comics since the seventies. So it's rather ironic of you to say that it's S&P who were ‘ripped off’.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I don't concur. I believe you are talking more of graphic style, while I'm talking more about the worldbuilding, the ambiance, the conceptual, pre-steampunk visual language. While Shuiten is a sort of Ligne Claire extremist, I find Moebius very difficult, if not impossible, to classify. He is often called Ligne Claire, but his style is often very gritty, and his protrayal of movement is clearly inspired by Franquin, the master of movement. Moebius has such an ability to move between styles, while keeping his personality, that makes him very difficult to classify.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I agree with all of this expect FAM. I wanted to love this show. the sci-fi was fun and could get creative and cool but every time they gripped you with a cool idea they gave you 10min of it, left you wanting more then moved on to drama for drama sake for 45min.

    I tried for 2 seasons and I think the first episode of 3 and gave up. :(

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  • [–] 80 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    The Wire. It's the best piece of visual media ever created. Not only is it the best portrayal of the inner city drugs trade but also the decaying institutions and social structures that allow it to flourish, and the corrupting influence of dirty money.

    It also is consistently the best written show on TV and is grounded in it's reality better than anything else. Half the cast were complete unknowns, in many cases plucked from the streets of Baltimore itself and there are standout performances all across it's vast and diverse cast.

    It's a little slow to get going, the first few episodes have a lot of ground to cover to get the viewer up to speed, it also makes no effort to ease the viewer in, with a lot of jargon, slang and some very thick accents to content with, there's also no "previously on the wire" to go over key points from earlier episodes so it definitely requires more participation from the viewer than most TV but it's all the better for it.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I recently re-watched The Wire, and 100% agree with it. It's at the cusp of being so outdated that only olds will get it and technical elements seem quaint, but wow, it still hits so hard. 25/10, I'll probably watch it again in another 20 years and enjoy it all over again.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Season 5 has some questionable plot lines though... McNulty's serial killer shenanigans are a little meh

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, and Marlo Stanfield was very one-dimensional. That being said, I think it stopped far short of jumping the shark, and with the newspaper angle, made sense that a cop might leverage information asymmetry to get what they want by taking advantage of a bad journalist making mistakes. The core concept is solid, and maybe there's some moving pieces that don't quite work.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    Yeah it's still a great season of TV. Just in comparison to the previous 4, it doesn't hit the same level imo.

    Yeah, the serial killer angle might have been better if it was like Herc or someone else planting the evidence. Making it Jimmy was too far imo. They make it make sense, but I still feel like it's a major stretch for his character as it had been established in past seasons.

    Jimmy did some stupid shit, usually for the right reasons... But that was out of character imo

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I watched The Wire for the first time a few months ago. My wife couldn't get past the first couple episodes since it's a little dated, but I am glad I stuck with it because that show was freaking phenomenal.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I really wish I could have enjoyed it too. I watched it about 7 years ago maybe, and I don't know if it had just been built up too much (greatest show evarr!!) or if it just wasn't my jam, but I didn't enjoy it. Did watch the whole damn thing, though. Just meh. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's almost a period piece now, a time capsule of the early 00s. I never could understand the "it's dated" argument, did she watch Chernobyl or Bridgerton or Gladiator?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yeah that's probably a good way to think of it. She did love Chernobyl - but that might be because it was a modern retelling of a historical event. Same way that people love Stranger Things for the nostalgia, but aren't exactly going back and rewatching shows filmed in the 80s.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Great show but season 2 is such a momentum killer I'd probably watch them 1,3,4,2,5 if I was going to rewatch

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Ah no! Season 2 is almost the best season and has some of the best acting. Chris Bauer as Frank Sobotka is one of the best performances ever.

    It's almost a meme that season 2 is jarring on a first watch but you have to think about The Wire as more than about a gang and the cops but about America, and in some respects, it's about post-industrial western societies and nowhere is that theme more real and visceral as in the dock workers of season 2.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago*

    The Good Place

    Penny Dreadful

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    I really enjoyed Babylon 5. Especially seasons 2-4. The interplay between the characters, especially Londo and G'kar was excellent. The stories were epic and political, it would be relevant today I think. It was so quotable and parts really moved you.

    The effects were dated even then, and the transfer to widescreen after the digital models were lost was an absolute travesty. Instead of widescreen making the show better, they cropped the 4:3 for every effects shot, making them all blurry and poorly composed.

    Even so, the story and characters are epic and timeless.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Avatar: the Last Airbender.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    As I didn't seen them mentioned

    • Scrubs: 8 UND ONLY 8 seasons of funny comedy, heart wrenching tragedy. For such a funny show, they managed to still make me cry with "Where Do You Think We Are?"
    • Better off Ted: very funny too, hardly ever hear anybody mentioning it
    • Bluey: is you have small children and you are going to give them screen time, do both of you a favor and chose bluey.
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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    DARK. The plot, casting and soundtrack are all superb, and way ahead of most other shows. Although Season 3 will fuck you up, it also nails the ending.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    I was super excited when I realized season three was on Netflix and would pick up off the banger of an ending to season two, got half way through it thinking: this is awesome and weird, it's like season two but slightly different. Then realized I'd already watched season three and was watching it again.

    One of my favorite shows of all time.

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The Good Place. Funny, compelling, I cried through the final episode. It also doesn't waste your time, things will happen mid-season that any other show would have dragged out for the season finale.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You have to stick with it through the first few episodes. I quit and then kept heading how it was so good, went back and eventually loved it!

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I still have a soft spot for "Dead like me", which I rarely see mentioned.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Since it's not mentioned, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If you liked Firefly, you'll like Buffy. Yes, it has baggage, but that doesn't prevent everyone else in the cast from having their work appreciated. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll dabble in witchcraft.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Oh, who got cancelled from Buffy? I haven't watched it but always been curious

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It came out years later that Joss Whedon was a horrendous, terrible person to Charisma Carpenter and created a toxic environment on Buffy and Angel. Because Whedon had created for himself a sort of nerd worship cult, he got away with it for years and it was only after Justice League that actors there said something, then Charisma Carpenter went public. It's some genuine family trauma-style stuff.

    https://graziadaily.co.uk/celebrity/news/buffy-joss-whedon-charisma-carpenter-sarah-michelle-gellar/

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    "Better Off Ted" is really funny and still holds up.

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    arrested development

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