It's pretty ironic to have problems with audio not recognizing headphones... on WINDOWS.

Multi-trillion (10^12) dollar company, btw.

(Both laptops are reasonably new.)

The "Legally Blonde" meme, the top text reads 'WIN11 WORK LAPTOP. You have consistently working headphones audio?' and the bottom text reads 'HALF-ASSED LINUX INSTALL AT HOME. What, like it’s hard?'

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[–] 148 points 8 months ago (23 children)

Linux audio issues were common during the transition to PulseAudio, but that was almost 20 years ago now.

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I was about to say... Maybe I've just been lucky, but I haven't had the slightest issue with Linux audio. Ever.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    And they continued until the transition to Pipewire.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    pipewire is so cool! It's so easy to set it up to sling to snapcast!

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    [sobbing] I don't know what the fuck snapcast is, I just want sound to work!

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's a pretty easy setup for turning all of your Linux devices into speakers for one studio stream.
    Set up some raspberry pis, plug them into speakers around the house, hit a button on your phone, they're all playing synchronized music

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Agreed, it was the next step from pulseaudio. To say it wasnt problematic is incorrect, as it had many problems and needed a lot of manual intervention.

    Nowadays, pipewire appears alot more stable, even with the compatibility layers for when stuff uses pulseaudio.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I've been using Linux as my main operating system since 2010 and can't recall having any audio issues. My desktop has 5 sound cards and they all work fine. I don't use bluethooth for audio, so I guess that makes things easier.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I guess you've just been lucky.

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    Hard to believe it's been that long already. Linux has come so far. I remember fighting with audio issues. The most frequent issue I remember having is not being able to have two different programs use the sound card at the same time. Haha. So no system sounds while listening to music.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Two programs not being able to use the sound card at the same time is what happens when you set a program to use an ALSA hw or plughw device instead of PulseAudio or PipeWire.

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  • [–] 68 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    PipeWire (written by Wim Taymans) did a lot of good for the Linux distro ecosystem when it comes to audio.

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  • [–] 78 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Β Yeah, but does your half-assed linux install come with the incredibly useful NoPilot? Huh?

    Checkmate, linux nerds!

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    does your half-assed linux install come with the incredibly useful NoPilot?

    Nope. If for some incredibly bonkers reason I actually wanted to use it, I'd have to actually -- gasp! -- go to a website and talk to it through a website interface, rather than an interface directly integrated into every goddamn app on my own computer. That's like ... two, maybe even three extra clicks!

    (Seriously, though. If for some reason I wanted to talk to a chatbot, I could do that on the chatbot's website. Why do I need it to be integrated into fucking Notepad?)

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Why do I need it to be integrated into fucking Notepad?

    The rate at which every security practice is being torn down for the sake of clankers is giving me suicidal tendencies. Surely you will not regret giving the token-based randomness machine root access!

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    And don't worry, the mega-corp that has constantly lied about things in the past promises that all the data from the integrated app that gets sent back to company HQ only gets used for training better chatbots (probably) (maybe) (possibly) (unless it's, like really good blackmail material). And every single thing you've ever typed into Notepad surely isn't just sitting there on a company server, waiting for a subpoena from an increasingly authoritarian government to gain access to...

    (And, of course, that program you coded in Notepad? The fact that it was used to train Microsoft's next chatbot, which then went on to magically write code strikingly similar to yours to be integrated into the next Microslop project without notifying or compensating you in any way ... purely coincidental, of course. It's not stealing -- it's training. Running it through a chatbot first magically removes all copyright protection from your code.)

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  • [+] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It's Microslop's Artificial Idiocy

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    When you want to route your audio a certain way (let’s say audio recording/production or such)

    Windows: oh sure, you just gotta download a shitty proprietary driver/program, get that to talk to your daw and from there on it’s…let’s hope it does what you wanna do.

    Linux: You want routing options? Have some …(ALL the options)

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    As someone that is using RTP to send audio from and to different Linux computers, this is unfortunately an option that is getting more difficult to use as time passes. A few years ago when pulseaudio was dominating, it was trivial to just tick a few boxes, enable RTP, see a lit of devices in pasystray, and choose it with a few clicks. Now since pipewire, this is no longer possible. Sure, RTP still works, but using the command line is now mandatory, as all the GUI options have disappeared.

    I still find myself reinstalling pulseaudio on most of my computers running Linux because I need RTP audio and it's disappointing that it's getting harder and harder to get it to work on Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Any idea if Dante Virtual Soundcard supports Linux? I haven’t done any research on it, but I use a lot of audio-over-IP devices for work and all of them use the Dante protocol. It is definitely a β€œjust open the program, tick a few boxes to route things from A to B, and everything works” solution.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but win11 can control both input and output per application.

    I often route my Pandora audio through my stereo while my default/games go through my computer speakers (or sometimes my headphones)

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Oh that’s a given, I’m talking about routing a signal through several pieces of hardware and/or software in a particular way.

    For example: the drummer needs to hear a clicktrack and the bass, while the choir needs to hear the orchestra/themselves separate (and they want a little reverb). (Now take this and apply it to everyone on stage)

    These kind of situations can get very complex and can get very high stakes.

    For those matters in windows you rely on the software that comes with your hardware. Problem is those don’t always play nice together. Or they simply don’t offer the particular situation you need.

    In Linux you can do anything you want. So much so that it sometimes adds unto the complexity.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    The fun part about windows is you don’t know if it’s breaking because of the coke code from the 80’s or the vibe code from the β€˜20s.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    You forgot the Ballmer Peak code from the 00's

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, yeah, cocaΓ―ne fuelled developers bouncing around. I'd forgotten about those.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    To be fair, a lot of bluetooth headphone problems i had on my work laptop was just microsoft teams.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    On Windows audio cuts out every so often.

    Also an update broke a driver a bit ago and I had to edit the registry to fix it.

    Linux is my comfort OS, everything just works.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Linux: "I am the non-janky OS now!"

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hot take: There is not now, nor has there ever been, a non-janky OS.

    Some Linux distributions are absolutely less janky than Windows at the moment, though, absolutely.

    I haven't used a mac in a few years, but it was pretty jank-free the last time I tried it, but I'm certain the situation there has gotten worse.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    First I tried Ubuntu. Then I tried Mint.

    Two years later, still on Mint. It works, it doesn't spy on me, I'm good.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Work requires Ubuntu. Still with Kubuntu. Works, doesn't spy on me.

    Brothers.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Debian, both at work and home.

    Kids, you're doing alright.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    btw, Debian seems to be leaking maintainers and we need to do something about it, before a hostile takeover occurs.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    just got a new laptop and wanted to boot into windows once so i could make sure bitlocker was off and i had to go through 15 minutes of clicking decline on upsells for 365 vs clicking on install linux mint from the live usb and being yes install

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Setting up new laptops at work is similarly annoying even with every trick we keep up our sleeves. Naturally Microsoft does bypass some portion of that BS if you happen to be connecting to to an AD or Azure account because they don't want to completely piss off their core userbase

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Linux revoked my mic permissions in the middle of a call today, on Google Meet. Happened before on Zoom.

    I have not root-caused it to see if there was flaky hardware or what.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Most machines have issues with the headset headphones.

    Windows, Mac, Linux.

    Many headphones that are headsets will pair as a dual device with the crappy two way audio that sounds like you just connected to your cars Bluetooth from 2005x

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Over the years, I've just come to accept that, no matter the OS, there are just some things computers suck at. Working with hardware is one of them.

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  • My "win11" work laptop that used to have win10: "you guys can produce audio?"

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I remember when I used to have audio problems all the time, including headphones literally just not even working somehow. Then I switched to Linux.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Back in 2021 I remeber I had several issues with bluethooth audio, now it just works as soon as I take my headphones out of the case (even tho KDE says Bluethooth is disabled everytime)

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    My Sony Sennheiser Momentum 4 always say loudly "No connection" after I connect them, but they are connected. It doesn't annoy me too much though.

    I use Mint btw

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Strange, Bluedevil has been working consistently for a while. What Plasma version are you running?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I did IT for my company on the side of my job for a year or two.

    Prolific problem where windows would disable the microphone but every single "windows tool" said it was working perfectly fine except teams would say it was not available.

    The only possible fix that someone on the internet found was to download an old sketchy file from a 3rd party source for an archived version of their "pre-help-assistant AI slop" audio troubleshooter, and run that and it would immediately say "oh, it is disabled, let me re-enable it for you"

    Even though every tool, setting, and even registry said it was enabled.

    Microsoft has the worst audio.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So real. Never have audio issues on my Linux PC.

    Meanwhile my company issue ThinkPad just doesn’t want to work with any Bluetooth audio input. I can’t take work calls from any other device either due to IT policy…

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    The movie "Legally Blonde." Reese Witherspoon's character gets into Harvard to be closer with the male, her ex.

    He, astonished, asks for clarification if she got into Harvard, and she responds with the bottom text.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I cannot get Linux mint Bluetooth to work anymore even with a good tp link dongle off my desktop. It skips or hiccups every minute.

    I feel like it didn't do this a few months ago...not one thing I've done has fixed, and no one can help me. πŸ€’

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I've had this issue with my old Bluetooth buds because their batteries were dying. My new buds don't have any issues and it's on the same 2010 laptop running mint with the same Bluetooth adapter, maybe that's what's happening to you?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Its actually to connect to a Bluetooth amp thats like 2ft away. Its a shared amp, friends PC is wired to it and I use BT in it. It never has BT issues with any other device, only my desktop. And I've tried 3 dongles. And did all the pipewire pulse stuff everyone said to. Nothing. Imagine a CD skip every minute or so, is what it does.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That's incredibly odd. Do you know where the Bluetooth antenna of your PC is? Maybe it's getting some signal blocking from a metal component that is between the antenna and the amp? That's the only other idea I have, because I seen to recall something about Bluetooth having this tendency to "accumulate" errors until it just skips to try and catch up after it got too many bad signals, but I can't guarantee this is just some slop my brain came up on it's own trying to figure out your issue

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Its a tp link dongle plugged in the back. Probably like 2 ft from the reciever amp.

    I don't recall it doing this a few months ago either. I've done updates since then but can't point to what caused it..

    Yeah maybe I should time it and see if the skips come like every minute or if its random.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    One thing I tested today, it does the skipping this exactly 1 minute apart every time...hmm

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    What if there's something else blasting lots of signal around the same frequency of Bluetooth (2.5mHz?) trying to pair with another device? I don't know why else your Bluetooth buds would be skipping at such a precise interval, as I think that they would have some variation in the amount buffered depending on how much data per second is being transmitted

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Little problems like this are what makes me hesitate from switching full time.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    Well if I'm fair, everything else has been an absolute joy and made me love computers again. So don't let my issue stop you!!

    I absolutely can do everything faster and better on my Linux desktop than I ever could with windows, and I love learning, so that's a big plus.

    There are far more things I care about other than my Bluetooth issue. Wires exist, its not a big deal to plug in. I do wish it worked, but I'm sure I'll fix it someday.

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