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[–] 90 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Where I am from, the transportation company will call Taxis to get the people to their destination station in case a car blocks the tramline, until the car has been towed. The car owner has to pay the Taxi invoices.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I love this way of dealing with such a situation!
    It both helps the passengers (who will still be later than without inconsiderate car parking) and teaches a lesson.
    Best way to make sure there's no weaseling out of the responsibility is to tow the car and only fork it out after an advance payment to cover the taxi costs has been made.
    The driver (who maybe wasn't the owner) has no money? Make it the owner's problem!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Its actually terrible. That just means if you're rich enough you can ruin people day with no consequences...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I don't know how to tell you...
    ...but that's how the current world works in most parts.
    And delayed transport is at the lower end on the scale of life ruining events.
    Do I really need to bring up Epstein and the orchestrated abuse and worse?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Well, first dealing with a towed car isn't "no consequences". Second, right now this guy barely has any consequences for the people he fucked over, and the people he fucked over just have to figure it out themselves, at least with the free taxi thing everyone gets to their destination at a reasonable time and the guy who caused the delay pays for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Germany. I found an article about a case where the parking offender tried to appeal the penalty (translated):

    The taxis picked up passengers waiting at the stops and drove them to other stops along the route. This went on for an hour, then the car parked not far from a sign saying “Please keep a sufficient distance from the tracks” was towed away and the route was clear again. This interactive view on Google Street View shows the location.

    When the VGF then demanded €973.13, €25 of this was a flat-rate fee for expenses – and the rest was the cost of the rail replacement taxis. After hearing witness statements, the court ruled out any manipulation by the taxi industry, and the court also found no evidence of any delay in towing the car.

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  • [–] 67 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Car should be towed and the owner should pay a fine of 1% of their income+wealth, stocks and bonuses included.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    That's way too hard to calculate

    Just make it a percentage make value of the car.

    Though, considering I had a car that I bought for a carton of beer (the fuel in the car was probably worth more than the beer), you might want to say a minimum.

    That car was amazing. A Suzuki baleno for those who are aware, key had snapped off in the lock so the car didn't lock, started the car with a bottle opener and I could take it anyway

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You could use the value of the car as a base. Untill if the car is worth nothing then tow its annoying but so id waiting for someone to come back from whatever. but if it's a cybertruck tow it then 1% if new would be $1000 plus lot, tow and admin fees.

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  • [–] 118 points 9 months ago (25 children)

    Here in KC they've started fining heavily for people who block the rails.

    Me? I'd rather they put a cowcatcher on the front and destroy the cars instead.

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  • [+] -14 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    Car rolls onto the sidewalk. Crushes a pedestrian.

    Car had a baby in it. Baby dies.

    Car belongs to beloved old man neighbor. Whole city now hates the train and gets it removed.

    This suggestion keeps coming up, and it never gets less juvenile. The solution is simple - aggressively fine these people. Scale the fine based on income. If it sits there for more than a minute, call a tow truck to move it like an adult. And then install a knee high concrete barrier around the tracks to stop cars from getting there in the first place.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    If police cars can ram other vehicles, so can streetcars. The strawman nonsense you posted isn't a consideration for high-speed pit maneuvers by the former, and it would be even less relevant for gentle nudges by the latter.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Idk these are flatly not comparable situations. A high speed chase ending in a pit maneuver is EXTREMELY dangerous before, during, after, and even around without being touched. A streetcar pushing a parked vehicle a handful of feet at low speed while ringing a warning bell with a driver keeping an eye on the situation is MUCH safer.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Cops have done all that shit, thousands of times, and no ones ripped them out by the roots.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    The solution is simple - aggressively fine these people. Scale the fine based on income. If it sits there for more than a minute, call a tow truck to move it like an adult.

    They give them fines and might get the car towed, but most places they fail to make the fine an actual punishment if you are wealthy: fines should be based on income and wealth.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    If someone leaves their baby in a car and parks it on the tracks, then it's their fucking fault if the baby dies. The parent/owner of the car should be charged with negligent infanticide in that case.

    Also, no one who owns a tesla is "beloved."

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    With a bloodthirsty absolutist mentality like that, have you considered a career in ICE?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    It's not bloodthirsty nor absolutist.

    If a tram sees a car negligently parked on the tracks, it should plow through it. The tram operator isn't going to see if there's a baby inside. Whoever parked the car on the tracks and left the baby inside is responsible for their own negligence, and also a psychopath.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Explain why the baby deserves to die because of their negligent parent.

    Regardless of who we assign blame to, the important part is that if a train flips a car off its tracks, a baby in that car could die. So if we prioritize baby non-death, we can say that the train shouldnt be violently flipping cars off its tracks

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I didn't say they deserve to die. I only said their death is the parent's responsibility for leaving them in a car parked on the tracks.

    If a parent leaves a baby in the woods, no one would be arguing about "maybe bears shouldn't eat babies!" They would be saying "Maybe you shouldn't leave your baby unattended in the woods!"

    Leave a baby in the woods, it dies. Leave a baby on the train tracks, it dies. In both cases, it's the negligent parent's fault. Not the bear's or the train's.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Your concept of right and wrong is clearly detached from reality

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    Sure, but do you wanna be the driver that now has to deal with having killed a baby?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The tram operator wouldn't even see that there's a baby inside.

    The owner of the vehicle could petition the city's transportation authority and say "your tram killed my baby!" But as soon as the authority sees the details of the situation they should say "You parked a car on the tracks and left your baby in it?!? Dumbass." And stamp "DENIED" in big red letters.

    Even if that person contacts a journalist, the headline should read "Dumbass tesla owner parks car on tracks and leaves baby inside. Baby dies."

    There's no reason why the tram operator should ever have to find out there was a baby involved.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The tram operator would 100% find out. News exists. To argue otherwise it’s just unreasonable.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    News exists.

    Oh really? I hadn't considered that when I mentioned what journalists should do in this case...

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    How does “what journalists should do” come into play in other situations? Journalists should also exclude shooters names and images from reporting, how does that go?

    You’re going to all this trouble to explain how we can deal with killing a baby, without realizing the better option is to just not kill it in the first place.

    I don’t think there’s any point continuing this discussion.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You’re going to all this trouble to explain how we can deal with killing a baby, without realizing the better option is to just not kill it in the first place.

    That's the strawman of strawmen. You're the one who inserted this hypothetical "What if there's a baby in the car" scenario. What I said was simply "that's the parent's responsibility for not only leaving the baby unattended in a vehicle, but also parking that vehicle on the tracks."

    You've been trying this entire conversation to twist that into me being a baby-killer, when it was your own red herring from the start. All I said originally was that if someone parks their vehicle on the tracks, it should get run over.

    I don’t think there’s any point continuing this discussion.

    That's the one thing we agree on.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You know, I don't think I've seen this variant of the trolley problem before

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The tram should just ram it and bill the owner for damages.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why does the streetcar not simply eat the smaller weaker streetcar?

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    someone in other post about tesla parked in wrong lane, told me "Woah now, are we sure killing somebody is the right call here? It’s only illegal parking after all." When I said call the police!
    Bro, if you don't know where to park, don't fucking drive!!!!! Where I live, we have tons of idiots like these, blocking sidewalks and transit, so we fucking call the police!!!!!

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Set it on fire. The SwastiKKKar, not the streetcar.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    This happens every fucking winter and not just with these trash cans but all cars. In most of our streets the streetcars don't have a dedicated and separated lane (or signal priority), making them pretty much just worse buses that stop in the middle of the street, making you cross a car lane on the way to the sidewalk.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Has the driver been made famous yet?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What does a Cybertruck weigh? I wanted those guys to tip it onto the sidewalk. Could 8 passengers turtle that thing?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    You roll up in that situation… you tomato sauce that bitch 100 percent.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Fucking plow through it!

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    And risk damaging the streetcar?

    Even if you try to force the vehicle owner to pay, there’s no guarantee they will. Not to mention the non zero chance of causing a breakdown of the streetcar.

    There’s also the small chance the vehicle isn’t just parked there, but something happened.

    Honestly you’re just better off calling a tow or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    And risk damaging the streetcar?

    I imagine if a kampfwagen gets bumped by just about anything, the biggest hazard would be random stainless steel and plastic litter all over the street.

    There's also a non-zero chance it will just go critical and set itself ablaze. XD

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The punishment should be determined based on exactly when they purchased their teslar. /s

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Why are Tesla owners so often dicks?

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