No, no, no you dont understand. This time the humanitarian concerns of neocons is real and definitely not a pretext for regime change.
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Palestine also.
can you post the latest Time Magazine cover and point out its pushing war propaganda again ? thank you
Hi.I'am from iran please ask me anything that you have doubt about it and i probably able to show you evidence. (Sorry for bad English)
Typical imperial core chauvinism. They know their governments are evil but still cling hard to the idea that they're the best therefore every non western aligned country must be even more evil.
The thing I think is that Iran is indeed an authoritarian theocratic regime and killed 3000 people confirmed by themselves, but so is Israel. The problem is the ipocricy in the judgement of a nation that should before look at it self and get that it's not better than others. But we all know this
Most of those were civilians and security forces (2427 out of 3117). The other numbers floating around seem completely made up by NGOs and western media so it's hard to know if there are more dead rioters.
how many is too many?
How many western regime change operations that inevitably create magnitudes more casualties is too many? Because that's the "solution" that's being talked about, not some actual people's government
I'm not sure I understand the question, if you mean whether I trust any numbers the answer is no, but the government numbers are a good minimum estimate.
If the question is whether I support the Iranian government uncritically, the answer is also no, but based on past history it's still an extremely stupid idea to support an intervention.
I believe Iranians deserve a break from the illegal sanctions that keep them struggling, once they can breathe they'll decide in their own terms if they wanna reform or overthrow their government or whatever else.
Ahh, I see the over bearing, authoritarian, theocratic government we instilled is now no longer useful.
I was speaking to a Nicaraguan co-worker a few days ago about the current situation in Nicaragua and the general geopolitical situation in Latin America as whole. She seems to be in her 50s so I ask about her memories regarding the Contras and Sandinistas. I shit you not, she actually spoke positively about the Contras; she said if the Contras were around today, Nicaragua wouldn't be in the situation that it is today. She goes on to say that her dad was falsely accused of being a member of the Contras.
While I understand that the situation with her dad may have traumatized her, it is mind-boggling that she praised the U.S.-funded death squads.
What's the lie about Ukraine? That one seems pretty cut n dry (for international relations anyway)
What’s the lie about Ukraine?
Yaroslav Hunka scandal leaps to mind. But farther than that, it was the same old "it's not going to be a quagmire", "it's not just about propping up the US arms industry", "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" line we've been hearing in every international theater.
Even the bit about Trump being "Putin's Puppet" falls apart on any amount of historical interrogation. Trump was selling anti-tank missiles to Kiev as far back as 2018, three years before the Donbas invasion. He'd laid a bunch of sanctions on the country the first year he took office.
Then, as soon as Biden took office, he's the one weak on Ukraine, according to the GOP.
Both parties egged their own supporters on by insisting the other party wasn't Pro-Ukraine enough. Both parties insisted the other faction was "Communist". Both insisted the other was a fifth column, trying to disarm the US from within. It was always and forever bullshit.
I thought it was clear that Trump is in Israel's pocket via Epstein and riches?
I'd also argue that Russia is doing the same military testing with this "war" (proxy testing and/or their own). They've certainly take territory and are also agitators in this situation.
What was the lie about Ukraine?
Russia didn't invade Ukraine?
There's a few to choose from. Like the war started in 2022. Ukraine doesn't have a nazi problem. Euromaidan didn't have any western interference. Zelensky doesn't have Epstein ties.
I know we like to spread misinformation online on this here .ml instance, but that might be too much even for you. Also, everyone knows that the war technicality started in 2014 when putin did the first invasion, I don't even understand what kind of gotcha that might be
the LPR and DPR requested Russian assistance against Kiev, who had been shelling them for a decade.
This is disingenuous. Russian FSB and Russian soldiers have also been shelling Ukrainian civilians since April 2014.
I wasn't aware of Ukrainian forces using artillery close to populated areas in July 2014, that is sad. Ukraine signed a ceasefire with Russia in September 2014, which lasted until January 2015 when Wagner mercenaries invaded Debaltseve. Any shelling that happened in July-September 2014 is not relevant to the current situation in Ukraine.
With regards to the OSCE report, there was no ceasefire in the Donbas in 2022. Ukraine was at war with Russian-backed forces in the Donbas in 2022 before the Russian full-scale invasion in Kyiv and Eastern Ukraine.
Saying that Kyiv was shelling the Donbas for 8 years and Russia only assisted the LPR and DPR in 2022 is really nonensensical, when the Russian government has been fighting in the Donbas since 2014, consistently breaking any ceasefire agreement that Ukraine has signed. Russia simply escalated the fighting that they had already been doing, in a 2022 attempt to simulate the Iraq War in Ukraine.
Also, any implication that Russia is helping civilians in Ukraine in 2026 is inhuman and ghoulish. Russia is perpetuating a winter genocide in Kyiv right now.
There needs to be a ceasefire immediately, and making excuses for Russian genociders who break ceasefires, instead of demanding that they stay east of the Surovikin Line and lay down their arms, is not affirming anyone's right to self-determination, and only encouraging further suffering.
I am not saying Ukrainian civilians are "Russian-backed forces". I'm saying that Ukraine has been fighting a war against Russia and Russian-aided military forces in the Donbas, which is why the Ukrainians have been shooting in the Donbas. It is not an insurgency or ethnic cleansing. It makes no sense to say that civilians have died while ignoring the whole fact that there is a war in the Donbas.
You are also minimizing the rights of civilians by slandering the opposing side. Calling the government that was democratically elected in the May 2014 and October 2014 elections, a "Banderite regime", is minimizing the fact that Russia is fighting a war of conquest against the people of Ukraine, and committing genocide in the process.
Yanukovich wasn't overthrown by anyone, he fled to Russia after his security forces thought he was going to backstab them during the revolution.
The Ukrainian people are suing for peace. The problem is that every peace agreement proposed by Russia demands that Ukraine disarms, and that NATO countries are not allowed to give security guarantees. That opens the door for Russia to immediately violate the peace agreement like they have done dozens of times already since 2014.
What gives Russia the right to own the 5 oblasts, on what grounds should Ukraine cede them?
The first step to peace is an immediate ceasefire for both Russia and Ukraine. If Russia would agree to one of the countless ceasefire agreements that has been presented to them, then the war would end then and there. The US doesn't want to spend money fighting the war any longer. Ukraine cares more about NATO security guarantees than trying to reconquer Crimea. I agree with you there that the war is not popular. The goal should be de-escalation, not bombing Kyiv with drones, or nuclear saber-rattling with IRBMs like Oreshnik.
This is a leftist, anti-imperialist perspective. Any party in the European Left Alliance would agree with my assessment.
Not Russian forces. Russian-speaking Ukrainian civillians. You're doing ethnic cleansing denial right now.
What am I denying? I really have never heard of whatever you're talking about.
Are you saying that Russian and DPR/LPR forces were not the target of Ukrainian artillery in the Donbas War?
You've never heard of the Donbas shelling but you feel compelled to argue about it? Weird choice.
Are you saying that Russian and DPR/LPR forces were not the target of Ukrainian artillery in the Donbas War?
(https://youtu.be/sK_5KthQTHk)
Yes, that is what I and this CNN report from 2012 are saying.
Nice goalpost shifting, by the way. First it was "they were shelling Russian forces", then suddenly it became "Russian and DPR/LPR forces". As if to imply that Eastern Ukranians fighting back against their fascist government is somehow a Russian conspiracy. You nazi sympathizers are disgusting.
Secondly you’ve not provided any proof that Zelensky is a “gangster”
I think Cowbee said "Kiev is a gangster state with immense corruption" which is a bit different.
For almost 2 years, people have been violently kidnapped from the streets, thanks to this totally non-gangster state, after they loosened the laws (which Zelensky signed, BTW). For example, here (violence warning!) is a yesterday video from Odessa. And we get video like this every day. It's like ICE in US, but much worse because people can't protest against it due to ongoing war.
And recently we had a ton of corruption scandals tied to Zelensky's inner circle. You can just scroll below, someone already linked.
So if you accept that all of those were lies up to Nicaragua you’re still mostly in clown make-up?
I'm no fan of American imperialism either but the regime in Iran is actively massacring their civilians on a scale never before seen during protests, I have Iranian friends and they know full well that America and Israel don't have their best interests at heart, and yet they still want them to intervene because they don't see any other way for change to happen. My Iranian friends don't even really like Reza Pahlavi but he's the most significant figure in these protests and so they're supporting him purely in solidarity with the people.
It's a very complicated and nuanced situation and it can't really be reduced to a meme like this without losing important context.
You're absolutely right that I have mixed feelings and am conflicted, I would love to say with 100% confidence that "Iran is different" but I can't.
Part of the protestors anger is impoverishment caused by sanctions, it was certainly a big factor in this protest and at least a minor factor in every other protest.
But conversely these protests are also fueled by discontent with the treatment of women.
They're also fueled by the thirsty people who are suffering from poor water management policies that ignored traditional irrigation methods in favor of the western approach of spraying huge amounts into the air to grow water hungry crops in a famously water scarce region. Fuck even Israel was egging on the protestors with the promise of sending water experts once the regime is gone.
I'm not supporting America invading but I do think that there are real humanitarian issues that need to be addressed.
What upsets me most is not that the rest of the world is silent and only "brave and compassionate" America is speaking against them, its that the Iranian people only have America to turn to, that the only countries that are "on their side" (from the view of the public) are America and Israel.
This regime is so quick to label any unrest in the country as foreign meddling but they themselves are the cause for half of the problems.
(also thank you for engaging me in good faith)
Nobody here is claiming that a US intervention would make things better, I think the point here that lying about the situation in Iran and Eastern Ukraine only helps the violent fascists in power in those places.
The nuance is that workers are being slaughtered by Putin and Khamenei and defending them just because the US doesn't like them is only helping the fascists.
"My Venezuelan friends are celebrating"
Imagine having a nuanced opinion? Crazy
Nuanced, like celebrating civilians from your own country being bombed 🤓
Nuance is when your opinions about other countries always coincidentally and conveniently line up with what the US government wants. Very nuanced, you incredible free thinker you.
Free thinking is when your opinions about other countries always coincentally and conviently line up with what NaZi Ruzzia wants.
Lol ah yes, the classic "me no nazi, me no nazi, you're the nazi" while the guys you support throw up seig heils.
Like at a certain point, doesn't it get boring when your one and only move is projection, and shameful when you're not even good at that?
You're so right, Brussels and Kyiv are complete sieg heil fests every day.
You've honestly got me there, believing Russian conspiracy theories would honestly be a lot more exciting than the boring real world.



Woah, how did all these Russian conspiracy theories get into my western news outlets?
Iranian state tv gave an official death toll of 3117. from aljazeera, famously pro US outlet.
ah yes. whataboutism.
It'd be whataboutism if it was unrelated or looking to downplay something, it's very much related as you would have never had riots without the west sanctioning them and collapsing their currency. End the sanctions now if you care about Iranians.
that’s still pretty damn far from the 30'000 that’s floating around in western media
yes it is, not saying it isn't
I'd guess the real number is cliser to hrnwa which is around 10k
They're telling the truth about Iran killing huge numbers of their own citizens to crush the protests. It was in the 30000 range like a week ago. They are lying that they actually care about that.
I believe Iran is going through a new worker-led revolution and that the current theocratic regime is certainly gunning down protesters and the US is scared of what’ll happen if the workers rise to power so they want regime change instead.

It started with a currency crash (which is most likely a result of US manipulation). That failed, because the Iranian government didn't immediately oppress business owners whose demands (not to sell at a loss) were found to be reasonable.
Then at least four different groups (including monarchists and Kurdish separatists) started killing civilians, police forces, setting mosques on fire, and so on (there's footage for all of this, if you have the stomach to watch it).
The Iranian government responded to that by shutting down the internet, and with force. When they shut down the internet the riots more or less stopped, which signals that the operations were conducted from abroad, the obvious candidates being the US and Israel.
Furthermore, there have been millions of Iranians rallying in support of their government all over their country, which makes sense as foreign led violence can only push you closer to your government.
You can't have a workers revolution without an organized vanguard and class consciousness. This is just old school terrorism by reactionary groups supporting a regime change to install a US puppet, like we've seen time and time again.
I make no moral judgement on the government's action, I'm just recounting the timeline of events.
Not the other dude and I am buying what you’re selling, but the only source being some rando on Twitter doesn’t seem sufficient.
That's fair, it's hard to find credible sources atm due to media being consolidated against Iran and the like but if no one beats me to it I'll try putting sources for specific claims for each thing later. Do you need a source for a particular claim? Mossad involvement? (For the record, Mike Pompeo is the former CIA director so he's very credible when boasting about intelligence involvement lol)
Thanks for being receptive and bot having a go at me questioning this.
I guess I would like more information on how the protests are US backed and certainly how Mossad are involved.
Again, it’s not that I don’t believe you I just know this place is very much like the right wing these days where anything can be said as long as it’s for the cause, not saying this is you but I like to be sure about things I will tell others.
Even though the protests were initially peaceful, if you're a foreign government looking to do a regime change in Iran, not capitalizing on these moments makes no sense. They knew sooner or later there'd be civil unrest, that's the whole point of the sanctions, and I believe that's why Mike Pompeo believes wholeheartedly that Mossad is there.
There isn't a source saying "I'm Mossad and I did this", but there's an analysis by the Jerusalem Post on the involvement of Mossad on Iran.
Btw Ben Norton uploaded a recap on the sanctions, which includes clips of the US admitting responsibility for the economic crash and the broader context of sanctions as economic warfare against Iranians.
Sounds a lot like you're supporting fascism to me.
I'm a communist, I support the free determination of all people, I just don't support killing random ass civilians in the name of your self determination, and I wouldn't trust any separatist movement that willingly sides with the US and/or Israel, for obvious reasons. I believe that the Kurdish struggle matters and they have the seeds to do something great, and this isn't that.
Ukraine
Hol up.
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Always...
Hey OP, do you also think Ukraine, its language, and its culture are Leninist fabrications, to divide the Russian nation in service of the Anglo-Saxon sphere?
What is the lie about Ukraine? The only one I can think of is Trump's dogged insistence that they started the war by existing.
Aren't Iranian people kind of telling the world what their government is doing?
I kind of think American war pigs are liars but probably not revolting populations of nonsecular countries
Honestly, I support Iran developing nuclear weapons. It would do wonders to stabilize the Middle East. The region is so unstable right now because there's one regional power with nuclear weapons with no other power to balance them out. It's similar to how the US repeatedly threatened to nuke other countries in the 1945-1948 period. It was only when the USSR got the bomb that things stabilized. I would prefer no countries have nukes. But the only thing worse than two countries with nuclear weapons is just a single country with nuclear weapons.
And sure, people will hem and haw about Iran being this super unstable country. But that's what has been said about every single aspiring nuclear power. They said Stalin would start a nuclear war to spread Communism. Then they said the same thing about Mao and the Kims. And people made constant racist insinuations about India and Pakistan, implying that they were too primitive to handle the bomb. They always say that the next guy getting the bomb will be so much more irresponsible than the ones that came before. But in the end, the new nuclear powers behave the same way as the old nuclear powers. MAD works just the same.
They are literally begging the international community for help. If anything, the West is trying to avoid having to act. But when a country is massacring tens of thousands of people and blacking out the internet to cover it up, it's hard to ignore.
The people of Iran deserve justice.
The lie about Iran isn't what the current regime is doing to its own people it's how, in response to the Iranian government nationalised the largely British owned oil industry, and so the UK and US sponsored a coup to topple the government and installed the Shah.
Although the Shah grew the economy and did a lot of other things to improve the country, the rampant corruption and brutal repression of dissent, including the massacre in Jaleh Square in 1978 (in which the army killed 64 people and injured 200+ others) sparked a nationwide revolution to overthrow the regime.
The largest and most powerful revolutionary faction were the islamicists led by Ruhollah Khomeini, the first Ayatollah.
Who is the "they" in this sentence? International aid workers?
The Lie is not that Iran's government deserves it, its the US reasons for wanting to do it.

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