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jokes aside, i'd say british cuisine is definitely taking more flak than what it deserves.
A lot of you still cooking like the Germans are still flying over your heads NGL
It may not be as nuanced, but it's pretty damn good.
Of course it does. I grew up in the UK and it's fun taking jabs but then you have a bunch of people who just keep doubling down as if they're God's gift to the kitchen.
My favourite take of theirs is always what they exclude from English food but they'll talk about American food and include everybody else's cuisine ...
In fairness, a lot of people will only experience or know what's brought out as quintessential English for at holidays or other special occasions, which isn't always the best thing there is to offer from the cuisine. It's something else entirely if you actually go there for a couple of weeks and pay attention to all the delicious stuff you'll eat while there.
Plus, you get plenty of weirdos from every country who seem to have Stockholm syndrome with the most bland/boring aspects of their cuisine and will wholeheartedly recommend their absolute most terrible dish as the pinnacle of their country's cuisine. I have a coworker from Ireland who won't touch a spice bag if his life depended on it, but will tell anyone who listens how wonderful beans on buttered brown bread is and that it should be more common everywhere.
lol I actually quite like Irish food. Went to a random pub in Galway and had some stew and it was so good! Irish beef is awesome.
I have friends kinda like what you described though. No spices and they love bland food, lol.
I'm okay with people taking jabs at British food to be honest. Like, my first year back when I was an adult I didn't know what to eat and I actually cooked more because I didn't know what to get. It wasn't until I made some friends that I knew places to check.
What's crazy is all the trash they talk about American food, and somehow managed to completely forget that Louisiana is in America....
Maybe...
What I don't understand is how they can be on an island, surrounded by some of the best fish in the world (including the fantastic Scottish salmon) and the only piece of fish you can find in the whole country is freaking cod with four layers of batter applied to it and fried until the only flavor you can perceive is that of mediocre burnt oil.
They make good meat dishes (roasts, meat pies), but then they pair them with the most uninspiring sides... The UK cuisine has a few good things, and they have good ingredients, but more often than not they cook them in boring ways and stop there, calling it "good enough"
I once read that a group of Rotterdam Housewives wrote a collective letter to their fishermen husbands, that they would abide no more then 2 days of salmon dinner a week. Maybe having an abundance of it makes it unbearable after decades. I mean, complaining about salmon dinner seams crazy to me, so who knows what you can get fed up with :)
Fish used to be poor people's food. It was plentiful around the sea, but it kept for just a few hours without modern refrigeration, so you couldn't really transport it to the main city market and sell it. It didn't give you much food security or much money, and it wasn't as luxurious as meat, which was the food of choice for the higher classes.
The only fish that was eaten by the higher classes were the ones that could be preserved by salting, drying or smoking, and they were eaten mainly during lent, as a "lean" alternative to meat. It was mostly viewed as a sacrifice. During the late Middle Ages and early modern era, the herring trade started to really flourish, with Holland being a major exporter of herrings, while the Nordic countries like Norway and Sweden exported lots of salted cod and Stockfish (dried cod).
So I'm sure it was at a moment where eating fish was seen as a humiliation, rather than a treat, like it is today. In North America lobster was considered as very poor food, cockroaches of the ocean, fed to those who couldn't afford anything else or to prisoners. Sometimes they were even used as fertilizer for the fields.
In the very early days of the colonial Americas, indentured servants along the eastern seaboard would sometimes go on strike to protest all the lobster they were fed because it was abundant and very cheap.
So yes, people get tired of the same old, same old foods every day.
Tbh, british food is mostly just salt-deficient. Add salt to it and a lot of it tastes really good.
They make good meat dishes (roasts, meat pies), but then they pair them with the most uninspiring sides…
I mean... British were always shafted by their nobility. The land wasn't known for fruits or sweet veggies, the rent in UK paid to the landlord was relatively high, so most peasants ate pickles, chutneys or different mushed veggies as sides.
Not known for fruits? Strawberries, gooseberries, blackberries, apples…
Yes. Historically British Isles had meh climate for fruit production. You could either forage for berries, but fruits were mostly seasonal apples or pears or plums, but the harvest seasons were rather short.
That’s pretty sad and true about the fish situation. Even fish and chip shops mostly just do cod and haddock, and I’ve only rarely seen one offer a wide variety of fish that would help avoid overfishing.
We also have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to seafood, but most people don’t even touch it apart from the occasional prawn. The day after Brexit came into effect there were tables of cockles and muscles, clams, scallops etc just sitting going off because they couldn’t get them to France.
Food is like music. You can have very strong tastes for a particular genre. But I reckon real lovers will always find something to love wherever they go.
Like, I love scones, and carrot cakes and I fondly remember a simple ham and potatoes I had one Christmas in Ireland. And fantastic fish. That smoked salmon filet with herbs and spices from M&S is still in my mind all those years later.
There is always something to love, if you give it a fair go.
I'm not much of a fan of many traditional British dishes, and there are some things many British people seem to enjoy make me wonder about their taste buds. OTOH, Britain once had a worldwide empire, and it brought back a lot of dishes from that empire to the mainland. Indian curries are the obvious example, but there's also Caribbean food, Chinese food, even other curries from South-East Asia.
idk man. I went to the UK to sample some of the cuisine thinking it can't be that bad and I have mixed feeling afterwards. Like the food is edible at least.
Yeah, you all definitely have... 8 or maybe 9 edible things that aren't beer or curry.
All the same, I'd rather have a full English breakfast than 90% of French food and 98% of German food. Kidneys in cream, or raw pork crackers, or bread and cheese like they invented it or whatever.
I guess you’re not into bread, because Germans have incredible bread
I left the 2% for pretzels, sausage, and Haribo gummies.
And Italians also make bread, you'll notice they're not on the exclusion list.
The French have good bread as well. Not as good as what we have in Italy of course, but well, they're doing their best!
They sure like talking about their bread a lot. No one beyond their borders understands why however.
Germans have roughly one kind of bread that they're very good at.
Germany has tons of Turkish immigrants, but Germans won't buy pita bread unless they're getting a doner. They share a massive border with France but mostly ignore delicious French breads like croissants, baguettes, etc. They're right near Italy but you won't find much focaccia. Forget about naan, bagels, bao, corn bread, crumpets, injera, etc.
Very ignorant take because everything a full English offers is also very German. This includes the pig blood which isn't french but you probably didn't think of that anyway.
Branding and beans for breakfast. That's why the English get the win here, which is also occasionally called a full Irish breakfast if there's no Brits looking. Plus, the English hardly have any indigenous culinary variety or spices. Why else colonize with such a passion?
And I'm actually very much ok with black pudding, that's not the issue. I don't like northern French cuisine because it's just "how much butter and cream can we pump into this snail or these poor mushrooms or a potato that was fine all on its own? Can we drown this perfectly mediocre cut of beef in cream and butter to make it seem fancy?" I'm far more partial to living below the butter/olive oil border. Southern France on the sea is tolerable, they're also below the border.
Snails are not a northern France thing though (unless you have a loose definition of north). It's mostly central, with a huge correlation with tourist hotspots
They confused Central French with Northern French, but it's true that classic French cuisine, both northern and central, use too much dairy.
I mean I love France with all my being, but there's no denying the use of cream and butter (or cheese in Northern French cuisine.
Well, my objection is to the way they're prepared in France, not the snails.
I've had snails in Morocco and giant forest snails in Ghana. The big ones are delicious if they're wild caught. If they're farmed, they taste like the rotten lettuce they get fed.
French cooking is cheap peasant foods with lipstick applied and loads of makeup to try and cover up that fact.
Yeah, tikka masala is awesome. And yeah fish and chips is amazing too. It's just that brits also have stuff like boiled roasts
I do believe tikka masala is British but it is funny that it's the first thing you said because it's also very clearly Indian
Yes, that was intentional to attempt to be humorous. It was invented by brits returning home attempting to recreate Indian food.
There is a whole category of British-Indian food which is from immigrants creating completely new types of curries that dont exist in India.
indian the same as pizza is italian. invented elsewhere by emigres to another country who then had family bring back the crazy new fusion food for the people of the homeland to go "oh that's good."
Pizza was invented in Italy though.
what am i thinking of then that's an itallian-american dish that got popular back in italy. i was thinking the phenomenon was called pizzafication but maybe it's… lasagnafication?
it is the pizza effect, it's just about how the specifics of pizza have shifted over time, not about the overall creation of the thing:
Idk man, Fettuccine Alfredo? But then I wasn't able to find information about it actually being popular in Italy.
This may just be a myth. The Wikipedia pages you linked seems to believe something anyway.
The fuck is a boiled roast?
Who would have anything against British cuisine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHbWHGVYaU
This is another one of those times where I can’t tell if this is British humour or British documentary.
Can someone authoritative clarify? I literally can’t tell either.
I can! I come from that area and it's a real dish that is eaten commonly and served in pubs and restaurants. If you go to a local market, you can get then to take away with scoops of mushy peas in the container too.
I don't eat meat, so I can't speak to the taste, but mushy peas themselves are delicious and shouldn't taste anything like garden peas. They are more like a dal.
100% real, you can buy packs of frozen removedts at basically any supermarket
Lmao, the first comment:
"Well I know my algorithm didn't search for "peas."
I did NOT see that opening sentence coming! 😂
Curry is the greatest dish of English cuisine.
What about doner kebab and garlic sauce?
In Japan they consider curry a European dish, so you're not really wrong.
"Everybody get the fuck out of my way and don't touch anything"
-Me, in the kitchen
-Me, in the kitchen
correction:
-Me, in MY kitchen
I tell people to "get out of my kitchen" all the time. I keep it neat, I keep it functional, don't leave your dirty dish there you heathen, get out!
Guest cooks are welcome, at which point I will get out of their way too, but when I'm head chef, I'm the LAW.
Seriously, you don't enjoy cooking with a partner or family member or anything?
I actually really enjoy it. Apparently for my friends it's like real life Overcooked levels of screaming.
"'ow about we add some vinegah—"
"ANDARE!"
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