It is insane how even (read: especially) your parents are gonna casually tell you to compromise your entire brain into "normality" like that isn't incredibly destructive. Telling someone to pretend something they're not is way too normalized.
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My almost total lack of organizational skills.
Also the unrelated memories I'm reminded of by words and phrases in a conversation. Otherwise I'd be constantly saying, "Ohh, there was a Firefly episode where Shepherd Book said what you just said. Another guy in it was also on Buffy one time."
there's a massive difference between tolerating things that you don't like, V having to reshape your entire being so normal people don't have to consider that people like you exist.
there's a reason life expectancy for autism is so low, with high levels of suicide.
Everyone goes pee, but if you’re doing it 100 times a day, probably time to see a doctor.
This attitude doesn’t help people be able to express their issues.
Every single post like this has some selfish asshole leaving a comment like this. Is this how women feel when men invade their comms?
The point is that if you want people to relate, help them understand how it’s different. Autistic people get overwhelmed very easily via sensory overload. Being challenged by grocery shopping is not everyone’s experience. Pointing this out helps messaging. As opposed to leading with something that reads as an everyone experience.
But sure, call me names from your 6 day old account if that helps.
Oh please, you basically rephrased "everyone is a little autistic" which is practically the slogan of phobic behavior towards autists.
Good thing the internet has you to speak for me.
You were at negative 5 points when I called you an asshole. I just said what people were already thinking. You downplay the stresses associated with autism, and that's where the downvotes come from.
It may not be what you intended, but if the majority are reading it differently can't you just acknowledge that?
meanwhile happy cake day! these ppl don't realize yet that this place is diff the that other place. losers gonna loser
You know, not every person making this point about being neuroatypical is NT. Not all peda!tic jerks.
That is true. But the point they're making is the problem here. Whether or not they're aware of how that perspective can be reaaaally aggravating to autistic people is a different issue.
"life is hard for everyone, deal with it" says the driver to the cyclist he run over and is bleeding to death.
I have a different problem, I've spent so many years adjusting myself so aggressively that sometimes it's hard to tell who "I" am anymore.
I am no longer me, just an assortment of masking techniques in a trenchcoat.
Finding an autistic partner that encouraged those parts of me is the kindest thing I've ever done for myself.
After several years of being loved for my oddities, I feel like my whole self again without being 90% redacted
Yep. An entire childhood of my dad always calling me a spazz, my mom abusing me, kids in school avoiding me because I was weird, always feeling like the only person not in on the joke in college, getting cussed out and -- in one case -- physically assaulted in the workforce... I started devoting most of my energy to just reacting and hiding. I spent most days just getting to the end of all the social bullshit and obligations.
Whatever you do, don't tell me to relax. Every time I relax, everybody hates it. I suspect there's a good, interesting person with the capacity to be happy in here somewhere but I get so little time to actually be them.
This is the premise of American Psycho and it's a critique on a society that produces these traits in individuals. You didn't evolve to produce endlessly so that a tiny fraction of society can benefit at the expense of the majority. So you adapt instead.
I've been putting off watching this film, however your description intrigues me. Thanks for the brief description.
I know that feel all too fucking well. My first meltdown was after a few drinks with my gf and I just started crying while looking in the mirror. She wasn't any help, insisting that the things I was speaking out loud to myself weren't true, one of the things being that I am "a farce that everybody believes in out of politeness".
I often play dumb about little details I've noticed or remembered. I got in the habit when I was a kid and people would react weirdly like, "why do you know that?" So I'd just pretend I didn't even when I did, and I never really stopped. I might notice what car somebody drives, for example, but if it comes up I just act like I don't know unless they've specifically told me. I barely realize I'm doing it anymore.
Would telling them you have a photographic memory if they ask how you know work? Neurotypicals generally seem to accept that in my experience.
Nah, I'm AuDHD so my memory retains whatever tf random crap it wants and constantly forgets relevant things like my own address and what I was right in the middle of saying. But even if I could convince somebody, in my experience it still makes them uncomfortable. Or, it did enough times that it's now lodged in my brain as something to put underneath the mask.
Same! I know what vehicle most of my coworkers drive so I know which coworkers to talk cars/bikes with
I kind of do the opposite where sometimes I notice something but I don't say anything cause I assumed everyone else did too. But when something else happens because of that thing it turns out nobody else saw it other than me. Then I'd feel guilty for not speaking up earlier. So now I just point out stuff even when it seems painfully obvious
🏴 politics and 🤘music. I don't want to scare people 😣.
But also I really really don't like eye contact. Like I have to look at the bridge of the nose. And I have to just learn to live with fireworks on July 4th 😟. And I really really feel deeply uncomfortable with me having facial hair. Which combos really well with my ADHD because then I forget to shave for a week and have a neckbeard.
And I really have to hide my existential discomfort around the police, because any time I deal with cops no matter how calm the situation starts, they are so incredibly eager to escalate the situation as much as they can. Which I then have to explain to people that yes, I'm a privileged cishet white guy but I'm still terrified of the cops because they're still fucking monsters who are racist but not just racist. (As the enforcement arm of the State, the police reflects all forms of oppression currently perpetrated by the State they work for onto the working class, including racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, classism, and ableism.)
I have to do (computerized) paperwork at the end of the shift, and it's so hard when my coworkers (who are doing the same thing) are talking loudly all around me. I can't filter out voices the way neurotypical people can, I have a weakened cocktail party effect and it's hell trying to write anything if even one person talks around me.
Then I see my coworkers standing around in the parking lot chatting after work, and I just think, "Wow, to have the energy to voluntarily socialize after an entire day of work is amazing." I mean, I know it isn't amazing to them, but I'm just glad to be back in my quiet car going home, knowing I don't have to speak to another soul for the rest of the day if I choose not to.
Interesting. I didn't know the selective hearing has a name. This doesn't work for me, so I tend to give up on conversations after a while when I'm in loud environment. 🤷♂️
Same. It it's important, I'll try to lead whoever I'm trying to talk to somewhere quieter.
I'm glad to have helped you learn a new term! I never did like the phrase "selective hearing." It implies that we have a choice in the matter, that we are opting to "selectively" listen or not. Although that might be the case for some people, I personally strain to listen but just can't filter out irrelevant noise. So it bothers me when someone calls it "selective."
Funny thing is, I have been regularly driven nearly into insanity by neurotypicals listening to the same few songs on repeat. One alt-girl (later turned christian conservative) tried to convince me I just had to listen to the same alt-rock song 100 more times until it clicks, and realize it's deep meaning (the deep meaning: sex). Yet my kind is characterized as liking monotonity and repetition.
This is why I can't listen to radio at all, that and my tastes are way to eclectic to be satisfied by radio. How will I listen to obscure 1970s underground Ukrainian rock music.
Like my starting songs are repeated semi frequently but after 15 minutes it's usually songs I havent listened to recently at minimum.
My ex husband used to do that.
Some of the songs I even liked! But it was always a loop of the exact same songs. I couldn’t have the aux because it was his car and his driving, but I also couldn’t drive.
Why does this screencap look like
- a print out of a screenshot
- that someone took a picture of with their cellphone and
- then tried to use a scan correction app to make it look like not a screenshot?
That dark background in the bottom left corner is weird.
I mean, on various scales that's what everybody does.
Yep, everyone has to make adaptations, compromises and has to deal with things that are not ideal. However, this is often easier for neurotypicals than it is for neurodivergent and often on a less frequent basis. As in all things both have to make adjustments and both need to understand that the others have needs. The art is in finding what works for you, what does allow you to live your life in the best quality while limiting the impact on other peoples needs. Goes for everyone neurotypical or not.
We live in a society
The point is that both neurotypicals and neurodivergent have to adapt to the same things, but neurodivergent are unable to adapt to some things that neurotypicals are able to adapt to.
That is why neurodivergent are sometimes labeled as "annoying".
So claiming neurodivergents are constantly tolerating things is missing the point.
The difference in severity is literally why masking in autistic people is a symptom and something that often negatively affects us, while for non-autistic people it's mostly kinda whatever. It's totally possible to not be autistic and heavily mask to the point where it's negatively affecting you too, but when you're autistic that's the norm and you're the lucky one if you never experienced it.
Tbh, neurotypical or not, everyone is masking constantly. That's what everyone has to do.
Everyone has annoying coworkers, everyone's stuck in traffic or transit. Everyone has to deal with shit all day. That's what happens if you have people around.
Everyone needs to shut up when they'd much rather just shout at that idiot who makes their lives difficult. Everyone has to sit down and do their work, even if they are in a work environment that appears to be specifically designed to prevent concentrated work. That's why everyone uses noise cancelling headphones in an office, because they can't work otherwise.
Yes, my point was that the degree of that just differs. People that truly don't mask at all are usually insufferable, autistic or not. Autistic people however often need to suppress most of their entire personalities. For example many people will react to you negatively for not making eye contact when talking, which for most autistic people is not something that comes naturally. They will also interpret things into your words based on facial expressions. When I'm talking to someone and they can see my face I have to constantly consider where to look (can't just stare them into the eyes either) and what to do with my facial muscles (which still doesn't guarantee I'm doing the right thing for the other person to understand my actual feelings). From everything I've read, neurotypical people don't have that issue. (And this is the masking we mran that can destroy you and feel like you lose your real personality if you never get lucky enough to find people you can be more relaxed around - especially when in school it mostly just means being bullied)
And then there are sensory issues (thankfully I mainly struggle with scents and some textures, which are overall not an issue that often, but many struggle with noise) which multiply all the annoyance that anyone has from loud noises, bad smells or whatever tenfold. And you also get annoyed at a far lower threshhold that neurotypical brains just filter out automatically.
The masking pressure autistic people have to deal is just more constant and more consistent, but of course everyone has their own shit to deal with.
Some of these posts reminds me of how 4chan talks about "normies"
They want me to hide everything about myself. They keep moving the Overton window. I refuse to humour them. I won't be driven into a corner. If they don't like it, that's their problem.
I put a lot of effort into making sure no one understands how much of an agoraphobe I am
I don't know how much of it has to do with being on the spectrum and how much of it has to do with people just being extremely judgy but a lot of things are tucked away until someone gets to know us. It also doesn't at all help that in our experience, people have used information against us to get us in trouble.
As a result, we don't discuss hobbies, even "normal" ones. Can't talk about drawing because we're furries and people are still weird about that. Can't talk about hiking or nature stuff because it would lead to discussions of naturism/nudism which again, people are still weird about. Aside from hobbies, discussing being plural and trans is completely off the table unless we're 1000% sure the other party isn't going to be an asshole about it. - Phoebe (it/its)
Wait until you read about the need for homogenity in the capitalist system. Its not us, its not even them. Its systemic.
Nonsense, this is far from the prevailing feelings. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
if you think that because you're ok everyone else who struggles should suffer, then you're not fine
If you don't experience autism symptoms to a degree that hinders your quality of life then you don't have autism. Sit the fuck down and stop deciding how autistic people should feel.


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