Across the world schools are wedging AI between students and their learning materials; in some countries greater than half of all schools have already adopted it (often an "edu" version of a model like ChatGPT, Gemini, etc), usually in the name of preparing kids for the future, despite the fact that no consensus exists around what preparing them for the future actually means when referring to AI.

Some educators have said that they believe AI is not that different from previous cutting edge technologies (like the personal computer and the smartphone), and that we need to push the "robots in front of the kids so they can learn to dance with them" (paraphrasing a quote from Harvard professor Houman Harouni). This framing ignores the obvious fact that AI is by far, the most disruptive technology we have yet developed. Any technology that has experts and developers alike (including Sam Altman a couple years ago) warning of the need for serious regulation to avoid potentially catastrophic consequences isn't something we should probably take lightly. In very important ways, AI isn't comparable to technologies that came before it.

The kind of reasoning we're hearing from those educators in favor of AI adoption in schools doesn't seem to have very solid arguments for rushing to include it broadly in virtually all classrooms rather than offering something like optional college courses in AI education for those interested. It also doesn't sound like the sort of academic reasoning and rigorous vetting many of us would have expected of the institutions tasked with the important responsibility of educating our kids.

ChatGPT was released roughly three years ago. Anyone who uses AI generally recognizes that its actual usefulness is highly subjective. And as much as it might feel like it's been around for a long time, three years is hardly enough time to have a firm grasp on what something that complex actually means for society or education. It's really a stretch to say it's had enough time to establish its value as an educational tool, even if we had come up with clear and consistent standards for its use, which we haven't. We're still scrambling and debating about how we should be using it in general. We're still in the AI wild west, untamed and largely lawless.

The bottom line is that the benefits of AI to education are anything but proven at this point. The same can be said of the vague notion that every classroom must have it right now to prevent children from falling behind. Falling behind how, exactly? What assumptions are being made here? Are they founded on solid, factual evidence or merely speculation?

The benefits to Big Tech companies like OpenAI and Google, however, seem fairly obvious. They get their products into the hands of customers while they're young, potentially cultivating their brands and products into them early. They get a wealth of highly valuable data on them. They get to maybe experiment on them, like they have previously been caught doing. They reinforce the corporate narratives behind AI — that it should be everywhere, a part of everything we do.

While some may want to assume that these companies are doing this as some sort of public service, looking at the track record of these corporations reveals a more consistent pattern of actions which are obviously focused on considerations like market share, commodification, and bottom line.

Meanwhile, there are documented problems educators are contending with in their classrooms as many children seem to be performing worse and learning less.

The way people (of all ages) often use AI has often been shown to lead to a tendency to "offload" thinking onto it — which doesn't seem far from the opposite of learning. Even before AI, test scores and other measures of student performance have been plummeting. This seems like a terrible time to risk making our children guinea pigs in some broad experiment with poorly defined goals and unregulated and unproven technologies which may actually be more of an impediment to learning than an aid in their current form.

This approach has the potential to leave children even less prepared to deal with the unique and accelerating challenges our world is presenting us with, which will require the same critical thinking skills which are currently being eroded (in adults and children alike) by the very technologies being pushed as learning tools.

This is one of the many crazy situations happening right now that terrify me when I try to imagine the world we might actually be creating for ourselves and future generations, particularly given personal experiences and what I've heard from others. One quick look at the state of society today will tell you that even we adults are becoming increasingly unable to determine what's real anymore, in large part thanks to the way in which our technologies are influencing our thinking. Our attention spans are shrinking, our ability to think critically is deteriorating along with our creativity.

I am personally not against AI, I sometimes use open source models and I believe that there is a place for it if done correctly and responsibly. We are not regulating it even remotely adequately. Instead, we're hastily shoving it into every classroom, refrigerator, toaster, and pair of socks, in the name of making it all smart, as we ourselves grow ever dumber and less sane in response. Anyone else here worried that we might end up digitally lobotomizing our kids?

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[–] 51 points 10 months ago (3 children)

AI highlights a problem with universities that we have been ignoring for decades already, which is that learning is not the point of education, the point is to get a degree with as little effort as possible, because that's the only valueable thing to take away from education in our current society.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    I'd argue schooling in general. Instead of being something you do because you want to and enjoy it, it's instead a thing you have to do either because you don't have the qualifications for a promotion, or you need the qualifications for an entry-level position.

    People that are there because they enjoy study, or want to learn more are arguably something of a minority.

    Naturally if you're there because you have to be, you're not going to put much, if any effort in, and will look to take what shortcuts you can.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The rot really began with Google and the the goal of "professionalism" in teaching.

    Textbooks were thrown out, in favour of "flexible" teaching models, and Google allowed lazy teachers to just set assignments rather than teach lessons (prior to Google, the lack of resources in a normal school made assignments difficult to complete to any sort of acceptable standard).

    The continual demand for "professionalism" also drove this trend - "we have to have these vast, long winded assignments because that's what is done at university".

    AI has rendered this method of pedagogy void, but the teaching profession refuses to abandon their aim for "professionalism".

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  • [–] 70 points 10 months ago* (11 children)

    Already seeing this in some junior devs.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Recently had to lay someone off because they just weren't producing the work that needed to be done. Even the simplest of tasks.

    I would be like we need to remove/delete these things. That's it. It took some time because you had to just do some comparison and research, but it was a super difficult task for them.

    I would then give them something more technical, like write this script and it was mostly ok, but much better work than the simple tasks I would give.

    Then I would get AI slop and I would ask WTF are you thinking here. Why are you doing this? They couldn't give a good answer because they didn't actually do the work. They would just have LLMs do all their work for them and if it requires them to do any sort of thinking, they would fail miserably.

    Even in simple PR reviews, I would leave at least 10 comments just going back and forth. Got to the point where it was just easier if I would have done it myself. I tried to mentor them and guide them along, but it just wasn't getting through to them.

    I don't mind the use of LLMs, but use it as a tool, not a crutch. You should be able to produce the thing you are giving the llm to produce for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    its already pretty bad if they cant read or write past the 6th grade level, and then having LLM do all thier hw/coursework. i see this getting worst, if PEer review papers are generated by AI and getting through publication. it already was somewhat of a slop for research papers before llm.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Meanwhile Junior Devs: "Why will no one hire me?!?!"

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ths seniors can tell. And even if you make it into the job, itll be pretty obvious the first couple of days.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I interview juniors regularly. I can't wait until the first time I interview a "vibe coder" who thinks they're a developer, but can't even tell me what a race condition is or the difference between synchronous and asynchronous execution.

    That's going to be a red letter day, lemme tell ya.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    I get that they can download widgets to accelerate the results, but they need to learn how the things work. I just code what i need by hand instead. Net result of their approach is quick up front results, but heaven forbid maintenance or customization.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Thanks to this crap, the world is being flooded with awful, unmaintainable code, and the thing is, the LLMs that build it promptly forget everything about it as soon as you move on to the next task. Fixing this garbage will be an unending nightmare.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    There is a funny two-way filtering going on in here.

    Job applications are auto-rejected unless they go over how "AI will reshape the future and I am so excited" as if it's linkedin.

    Then the engineers that do the interviews want people interested in learning about computers through years of hard work and experience?

    Just doesn't work out.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Problem is, people are choosing careers based on how much it will pay them, instead of things they want to do/ are passionate about. Its rare nowadays to have candidates who also have hobby work/ side projects related to the work. At least by my reckoning.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (16 children)
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    Old man yells at cloud.

    I remember the "ban calculators" back in the day. "Kids won't be able to learn math if the calculator does all the calculations for them!"

    The solution to almost anything disruptive is regulation, not a ban. Use AI in times when it can be a leaning tool, and re-design school to be resilient to AI when it would not enhance learning. Have more open discussions in class for a start instead of handing kids a sheet of homework that can be done by AI when the kid gets home.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I remember the "ban calculators" back in the day

    US math scores have hit a low point in history, and calculators are partially to blame. Calculators are good to use if you already have an excellent understanding of the operations. If you start learning math with a calculator in your hand, though, you may be prevented from developing a good understanding of numbers. There are 'shortcut' methods for basic operations that are obvious if you are good with numbers. When I used to teach math, I had students who couldn't tell me what 9 * 25 is without a calculator. They never developed the intuition that 10 * 25 is dead easy to find in your head, and that 9 * 25 = (10-1) * 25 = 250-25.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Interesting. The US is definitely not doing a good job at this then and needs to re-vamp their education system. Your example didn't convince me that calculators are bad for students, but rather than the US schooling system is really bad if they introduce calculators so early that students don't even have an intuition of 9 * 25 = (10-1) * 25 = 250-25.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Calculators give correct answers.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    It's good that students are using ai to cheat then. We won't need to detect it as the answers are wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    Nah I grew up with the "you won't always have a calculator in your pocket" crowd.

    If AI gets everything wrong then students using it to offload their thinking will get failing grades. AI getting everything wrong is a self solving problem.

    But sure, attack the person, not the argument. I'm sure we'll have a well reasoned discussion.


    The AI bad crowd are really tripping up the capitalism bad crowd. I don't know what to do about it. I don't want them stop, they're hilarious:

    The post complaining that GenAI is used for CSAM, tools used for CSAM is bad, and the people that use those tools are bad people. The tool used to complain about AI: the internet!!! The internet, famously absent of CSAM.

    The constant hyperbole is funny. Not so much the witch hunts. We can all see the post, students using AI to get through classes means AI can get their questions right. The hyperbole is funny.

    Accusing anything and everything of being AI is pretty shitty though, knock it off.

    But, they do distract from genuine concerns about how capitalism is using tools, any tools, to concentrate wealth. The tools are tools, it's the capitalism that's the problem.

    I assume everyone here is wearing cloth made on a loom. The Luddites taught us that attacking the tool (the loom in that case, GenAI in this one) doesn't work.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I didn't really say AI bad, though I think it is. But it's objectively different. A calculator is designed so that when you punch in 2+2 it return 4 every single time, because that's how it functions.

    If you ask AI the same question twice you get 2 answers, different AIs give different responses, different prompts, different people, different geography.

    It may be able to consistently regurgitate mostly correct answers to fairly uncontroversial common questions. Things we might call "facts", things that largely have that information available freely in the world anyway.

    As soon as we're talking about subjectivity, writing essays and supporting arguments etc, you're taking your life in your hands trusting AI with that kind of answer.

    But largely this stuff is besides the point.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I didn’t really say AI bad,

    Implying GenAi gives wrong answers isn't saying AI bad?

    If you ask AI the same question twice you get 2 answers, different AIs give different responses, different prompts, different people, different geography.

    That's true of people too, and we trust them to do all sorts of things. Ask 20 people what happens after you die, how many answers are you getting? Not just that ask any technical question, ask 4 beekeepers the best way to do a thing and you'll get 5 answers.

    GenAI is a tool, if you try use it to hammer in nails you're gonna have a bad time. Don't try use it to hammer in nails.

    It turns out wrote answers to wrote questions is something it does fairly well, and it's still getting better. That's good, as a society we've moved past wrote answers to wrote questions. We should now prepre kids for the society they are going to grow up in, one with GenAI. Critical thinking is something it does fairly poorly, critical thinking is something we do fairly poorly, let's teach that.

    Beyond academics, shitty throwaway art is something it can also do fairly well. Just want an image use GenAi, want a master piece get a human. You already do this, how many of your clothes are handmade? Used a milliner recently? The Luddites taught us a lesson, attacking looms don't work.

    I hope I was the last generation to spend hours on long division with quotes of "you won't always have access to a calculator". Those that go into fields where long division may be useful should learn it, the rest of us have calculators.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    The point of learning long division is so you understand it. Once you understand it, THEN you can use the calculator.

    Your entire argument is prefaced on the assumption that genAI is something that is actually useful.

    The corollary of your luddite point is that EVERY SINGLE TECHNOLOGY is useful and groundbreaking and should be adopted.

    That's obviously not the case, lots of technologies are dead ends or can be accomplished much more efficiently with existing technology.

    If genAI is a tool, can you tell me what exactly it is that it does?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    The point of learning long division is so you understand it. Once you understand it, THEN you can use the calculator.

    That wasn't my experience of learning long division. Not a lot of time was spent on understanding the process. A lot of time was spent on repetition, repetition, repetion until it was wrote. The division button on the calculator was faster, does offload my thinking, but it's easier and gave more accurate results. Using my calculator in long division class would have been considered cheating though, offloading my thinking like that.

    But counter to that, I also spent a lot of time in Dreamweaver chasing the dotcom bubble that popped before I entered the job market. Even with the pop we see websites everywhere for everything.

    No. The corollary of my luddite argument is that tools are tools. Attacking the tools don't work to solve systemic problems.

    If genAI is a tool, can you tell me what exactly it is that it does?

    See my first comment for one example of students using it as a tool.

    See, the "AI bad" people are funny. In a reply to comment about how people are actually using GenAI as a tool to achieve their goals "If genAI is a tool, can you tell me what exactly it does"? I must say, admitting to not not having a clue what genAI even does is a massive hit to your credibility on this topic. But to answer your question about what it is that generative AI does as a tool: it generates things. Pictures, videos, text, music, it generates things.

    It is a shame the airways a late clogged with this nonsense instead of how the wealthy are using tools, any tools, to concentrate wealth.

    Look, GenAI is a tool, use it for what you think it's useful for (even if you think that's nothing). Let others use it for what they think it's useful for. But for the love of god, attack the system not the tools.

    Someone just told me that Ecco the Dolphin, by virtue of not having AI, is saving the planet. There really should be a comm devoted to the things AntiAI peeps say.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    If genAI is a tool, can you tell me what exactly it is that it does?

    Just to be clear, you just learned that GenAI can be used as a tool to help someone interpret text? Well at least you learned something.

    This is what I mean by hyperbole being "AI-bad"s own undoing. You know AI as tool can do things. You try use what it can do as insult, but sadly all you do is errode your own credibility. It is funny though.

    I suppose it's better you're here. You could have been out there repeating history

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Offloading onto technology always atrophies the skill it replaces. Calculators offloaded, very specifically, basic arithmetic. However, Math =/= arithmetic. I used calculators, and cannot do mental multiplication and division as fast or well as older generations, but I spent that time learning to apply math to problems, understand number theory, and gaining a mastery of more complex operations, including writing computer sourcecode to do math-related things. It was always a trade-off.

    In Aristotle's time, people spent their entire education memorizing literature, and the written world off-loaded that skill. This isn't a new problem, but there needs to be something of value to be educated in that replaces what was off-loaded. I think scholars are much better trained today, now that they don't have to spend years memorizing passages word for word.

    AI replaces thinking. That's a bomb between the ears for students.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It doesn't have to replace thinking if used properly. This is what schools should focus on instead of banning AI and pretending that kids are not going to use it behind closed doors.

    For example, I almost exclusively use Gen AI to help me find sources or as a jumping-off point to researching various topics, rather than as a source of truth itself (because it is not one). This is super useful as it automates away the tedious parts of finding the right research papers to start learning something and gives me more time to focus on my actual literature review.

    If we ban AI in schools instead of embrace it with caution, students won't know how to learn skills in order to use it effectively. They'll just start offloading their thinking to AI when doing homework.

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  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    I spent some years in classrooms as a service provider when Wikipedia was all the rage. Most districts had a "no Wikipedia" policy, and required primary sources.

    My kids just graduated high school, and they were told NOT to use LLM's (though some of their teachers would wink). Their current college professors use LLM detection software.

    AI and Wikipedia are not the same, though. Students are better off with Wikipedia as they MIGHT read the references.

    Still, those students who WANT to learn will not be held back by AI.

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  • [–] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I always saw the rules against Wikipedia to be around citations (and accuracy in the early years), rather than it harming learning. It's not that different from other tertiary sources like textbooks or encyclopedias. It's good for learning a topic and the interacting pieces, but you need to then search for primary/secondary sources relevant to the topic you are writing about.

    Generative AI however

    • is a text prediction engine that often generates made up info, and then students learn things wrong
    • does the writing for the students, so they don't actually have to read or understand anything
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  • [–] [S] 7 points 10 months ago

    I see these as problems too. If you (as a teacher) put an answer machine in the hands of a student, it essentially tells that student that they're supposed to use it. You can go out of your way to emphasize that they are expected to use it the "right way" (since there aren't consistent standards on how it should be used, that's a strange thing to try to sell students on), but we've already seen that students (and adults) often choose to choose the quickest route to the goal, which tends to result in them letting the AI do the heavy lifting.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    College professors are making homeworks harsher to make up for the cheating so students who WANT to learn may actually be held back by the literal sense.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Great to get the perspective of someone who was in education.

    Still, those students who WANT to learn will not be held back by AI.

    I think that's a valid point, but I'm afraid that it's making it harder to choose to learn the "old hard way" and I'd imagine fewer students deciding to make that choice.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    My optimism tells me this issue will be short lived. Unless someone can find a very creative way to monetize AI so that it is sustainable, it will likely crash (with local instances continuing to get development).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    my community college was like that, they were pretty "nazi" about the use of wiki and would get mad if you even hover/ lurk on a computer where its on the wiki page for any amount of time(computer labs are monitored"

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The best AI tools will also cite references, like Wikipedia, so you can click all the way through.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Grok AI Teacher is coming to a school near you! With amazing lesson plans like "Was the Holocaust even real?"

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Pedos aren't allowed near schools

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    "Well good news folks, problem solved. You need to be a person to be a pedophile and Grok isn't a person. Therefore Grok can't be found liable for anything it does. Therefore it's safe and won't risk me being litigated. Therefore it's safe as is for kids. I don't know why everyone got so upset." Says Elon Musk. /S but also not/s.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Don't trust any doctor that graduated after 2024

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    When I was in medical school, the one thing that surprised me the most was how often a doctor will see a patient, get their history/work-up, and then step outside into the hallway to google symptoms. It was alarming.

    Of course, the doctor is far more aware of ailments, and his googling is more sophisticated than just typing in whatever the patient says (you have to know what info is important in the pt. history, because patients will include/leave out all sorts of info), but still. It was unnerving.

    I also saw a study way back when that said that hanging up a decision tree flow chart in Emergency rooms, and having nurses work through all the steps drastically improved patient care; additionally new programs can spot a cancerous mass on a radiograph/CT scan far before the human eye could discern it, and that's great but... We still need educated and experienced doctors because a lot of stuff looks like other stuff, and sometimes the best way to tell them apart is through weird tricks like "smell the wound, does it smell fruity? then it's this. Does it smell earthy? then it's this."

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've been online enough to know they weren't thinking before either.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    This. (Offline too.)

    Which generation did we really taught critical thinking to? In general, those "thinkers" or people with nice research skills (e.g. reading comprehension and other traits) were always a minority within each generation. And I agree there will be less now with AI. But we have no polls or measurement, so the title goes a little clickbaity, in resonance to the generalized discomfort towards a new technology that schools haven't accomodated yet (e.g. all kind of solutions are seen in the wild)

    I reckon it was the same with arithmetislcs and calculators in the past. We were able to deal with that! (so that whatever proportion of people that graduates knowing arithmetics with each generation didn't shrink "too much".)

    If we are considering possible scenarios, let's be optimistic too.

    AI (discounting other problems like their ecological footprint) may not be that bad on our educational systems once we adjust...

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Schools generally buy anything microsoft offers with the little budget they have.

    This time it's messed up tho. Allowing chatbots in schools will hurt education more than the entire pandemic and the effects only gets worse each year.

    Why did any school higher ups pay to implement these? There is a small hint of "Screw you, I got mine" is the only explanation I can think of.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Schools generally buy anything microsoft offers with the little budget they have.

    Far more Pearson than Microsoft. The "teach to the test" regime is all about selling schools test prep material that effectively tells you the answers to the next round of Pearson-written standardized exams. I'm sure Pearson is eagerly integrating with Microsoft AI tools, so they can cut their own internal staffing and roll out more profitable digital variations of their material.

    But schools pay top dollar for these resources because state administrators use exam scores as a benchmark for school funding. So the $10M you pay for test prep material may determine the next $50M in funding your school receives, relative to the poorer districts that couldn't afford to buy answers in advance.

    Why did any school higher ups pay to implement these?

    Tons of kickbacks to high ranking administrators, double-dealing with teachers being contracted or poached by Pearson for test-writing gigs, state administrators moving between jobs in the school board/legislature and positions within Pearson, people with stock and other debt instruments that profit when Pearson does well...

    FFS, the Houston ISD takeover by the State of Texas ended with a Colorado private school management guy sending tens of millions of dollars from the Houston public schools to pay consulting fees to Colorado private school agencies. That's as corrupt as it comes.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    When I was in school I was fortunate enough that I had educators who strongly emphasized critical thinking. I don’t think “AI” would be an issue if it were viewed as a research tool (with a grain of salt), backed by interactive activities that showcased how to validate what you’re getting.

    The unfortunate part is instructor’s hands are more often than not tied, and the temptation to just “finish the work” quickly on the part of the student is real. Then again, I had a few rather attractive girls flirt with me to copy my work and they didn’t exactly get far in life, so I have to wonder how much has truly changed.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I just keep seeing in my head when John Connor says “we’re not going to make it, are we?”

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    It's in our nature to destroy ourselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Can't I just take one for the team and do it one weekend booze binge at a time?

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago

    They let AI into the curriculum immediately, while actual life skills have been excluded for the benefit of work skills since Prussian schooling became popular. Dumbing down the livestock.

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-things-schools-should-teach-but-dont/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    People who can't think critically tend to vote Conservative.

    Coincidence? I think not.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    thats why conservative govts are all in adopting AI. because conservatives cant tell the difference between an AI video and a real one. jus tlook on reddit how many videos are accused of being AI when its not.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The very same people, who called me stupid for thinking typing will be a more important skill that "pretty writing" now think art education is obsolete, because you can just ask a machine for an image.

    AI stands for "anti-intellectualism".

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 10 months ago

    One of Big Tech's pitches about AI is the "great equalizer" idea. It reminds me of their pitch about social media being the "great democratizer". Now we've got algorithms, disinformation, deepfakes, and people telling machines to think for them and potentially also their kids.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Handwriting's still important. "Pretty" usually means legible, too, and the point of art education is not to be able to confidently produce pictures.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    It seems writing things by hand is better for memorization, and it certainly feels more personal and versatile in presentation.

    I write lots of things by hand. Having physical papers is helpful, I find, to see lots of things at once, reorganise, etc. I also like being able to highlight, draw on things, structure documents non-linearly...

    I'm a computer scientist, so I do value typing immensely too. But I find it too constraining for many reasoning tasks, especially for learning or creativity.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I've been working on formal a socialist students society, our first and current campaign is fighting back against AI in the local college, the reaction from students has been electric. Students don't want this, they know they are being deskilled, they know who profits.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    My brother in law is in college for engineering. His mom was telling me he uses AI for his assignments and just edits the responses. She is writing a book, and said she uses AI all the time for it.

    It makes me want to scream. We weren't even allowed to use spark notes when I was a student, and yet, the schools today seem to be pushing this tech on them. The mother used my spark notes example as an excuse, "see kids always have looked for ways to make their work easier". It's not the same lady...

    While I'm glad to hear your school cohort is enthusiastic and informed, I'm not so sure it's the general consensus among college students.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I've met some in this campaign who like AI, but they don't take much convincing once the material conditions are explained. I'm sure most of those students will continue to use AI. 90% of the students I've spoken with so far agree tho. I'd imagine the education institutions are getting some form of kick back or guidance from AI firms/partners, we saw similar with PCs entering education, something silicon valley opt their own children out off.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Children don't yet have the maturity, the self control, or the technical knowledge required to actually use AI to learn.

    You need to know how to search the web the regular way, how to phrase questions so the AI explains things rather than just give you the solution. You also need the self restraint to only use it to teach you, never do things for you ; and the patience to think about the problem yourself, only then search the regular web, and only then ask the AI to clarify the few things you still don't get.

    Many adults are already letting the chatbots de-skill them, I do not trust children would do any better.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    My experience is most adults don't know how to search the internet for information either lol.

    Also I haven't been in school for over a decade at this point, but the internet was ubiquitous and they didn't teach shit about it, the classes that were adjacent (like game design) were run by a coach who barely knew how to work the macs we were forced to use.

    Nor was critical thinking an important part of the teaching process, very rarely was the "why" explained, they're just trying to get through all the material required to prepare you for the state tests which determine if you move onto the next grade.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I wonder if this might not be exactly the correct approach to teach them, though. When there's actually someone to tell them "sorry that AI answer is bullshit", so they can learn how to use it as a ressource rather than an answer provider. Adults fail at it, but they also don't have a teacher (and kids aren't stupid, just inexperienced).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Children shouldn't really be within the internet without supervision, parental controls are one thing but in school, children should be carefully guided as to digital skills and life. It quite self explanatory that children are incapable of using such technology as they're still developing independent thinking and the fundament aspects of computing.

    It's only when children become teenagers, they become independent thinkers and where self-control and maturity could be at par with adults. In this case, age isn't the problem - but the systematic methodology in which AI enables more "streamlined" approach which "gets the job done".

    Of course your statement highlights children, but the fact is; when those children become capable teenagers they're just as "equipped" as adults - the only problem with teens and adults being the technical experience and knowledge which may vary.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago*

    I've never seen anything make more people act stupid faster. It's like they're in some sort of frenzy. It's like a cult.

    Three years ago and everyone talks about it like life has never and will never exist without it and if you don't use it you're useless to society

    So stupid I don't have a nice, non-rage-inducing way to describe it. People are simply idiots and will fall for any sort of marketing scam

    "AI: not even once"

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    It becomes more apparent to me everyday, we might be headed towards a society, dynamically managed by digital systems; a "smart society", or rather a Society-as-a-Service. This seems to be the logical conclusion, if you continue the line of "smart buildings" being part of "smart cities". With use of IoT sensors and unified digital platforms, data is continuously being gathered on the population, to be analyzed, and its extractions stored indefinitely (in pseudonymized form) by the many data centers, currently being constructed. This data is then used to dynamically adapt the system, to replace the "inefficient" democratic process and public services as a whole. Of course the open-source (too optimistic?) model used, is free of any bias; however nobody has access to the resources required to verify the claim. But given big-tech, historically never having shown any signs of tyranny, a utopian outcome can safely be assumed... Or I might simply just be a nut, with a brain making nonsensical connections, which have no basis in reality.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    At work now we’re having team learning sessions that are just one person doing a change incredibly slowly using AI while everyone else watches, but at least I can keep doing my regular work if it’s a Teams call. It usually takes the AI about 45 minutes to decide what I immediately knew needed doing.

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