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[–] 82 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I never thought I'd see a POTUS consider denaturalising US citizens as well so you'd hope they won't draft you but I wouldn't discount it. Cannon fodder is always necessary especially if you're not white or MAGA.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This scene was always hilarious because we thought it could never happen… But given everything that this administration has done so far, it seems more like a prediction…

    https://youtu.be/AQnEBSwdAXw

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  • [–] 57 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    At least my death after I'm drafted in the wars over oil will raise the share price of the Military-Industrial Complex shareholders, bless them 🙏🙏🙏

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I’ll kill half a dozen cops or MP’s or die trying if they try to forcibly deploy me before I do a single goddamn thing for Trumps Military.

    If somehow I’m deployed against my wishes my first action is to make a white flag out of my underwear, surrender to whoever they deploy me against, and share as much intelligence as I have (probably 0 but who cares).

    This isn’t some power fantasy by the way, I don’t want to hurt anyone.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    As a european, chances are if my country is being invaded, it's either by Russia og USA. If I'm gonna have to defend my country it will absolutely not be through the military. Conventional warfare against a greater foe is just a really good way of getting killed.

    Either civil disobediance or terrorist attacks like the IRA is more my style.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Terorist attacks implies that your town is already occupied, and by then it's too late. It's very easy for an occupying army to shoot civilians, and they do it regularly. IRA style worked because British army did not depopulate towns.

    You won't do much without weapons, and the military is one of few ways to get them.

    Also not handguns or rifles. If you ever need to use a rifle, the enemy is already right at your face (or you're shooting civilians). And you're not buying yourself a grenade launcher or an artillery piece with your civilian salary and civilian hunting license.

    The best way to contribute as a civilian is to assemble some drones, ideally with 10 kg payload, enough to rig it with an anti-tank mine. In case of invasion, the army can provide mines really quickly.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    This is why I don't think the strength of the US military holds up to its historical reputation today.

    No one wants to fight stupid wars for someone else, but they are willing to defend themselves, their loved ones and their way of life. And we have the internet that allows us to know that yes, other people also live a similar life to me and have similar thoughts. Sure, they have all the prepper and tacticool guys dying at the chance to get on a chopper. But real life warfare, especially guerrilla, is not like in the (American) movies

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We have assessed your current situation and are pleased to inform you we have created a project for people with skills like yourself.

    Welcome to operation meat shield where we'll cash in those 30 years of contributions and pensions to keep the markets going I up and the boomers from having to face consequences.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago

    The issue is that many of us are also concerned about the others who would or at least could be drafted. Our children. The younger adults we've taken under our wings and built friendships with. It's hardly any comfort knowing that I would never be drafted. Granted, I don't think there's a good chance of anybody getting drafted in my lifetime, but stupider shit has already happened, so there you go.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    What if they need drone operators? Our fat 40 year old asses have been playing games since the late 80s, and those skills are finally in demand.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry bro, they just going to import a bunch of Korean esport pros and make us all look like slobs.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Bro used the word "import" to describe human beings... 💀

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    The motivation for most new recruits in the US military is escaping poverty. That poverty is on purpose to funnel recruits into the military. Unlikely to ever be a draft again, they'll just ramp up the poverty.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I have a bone spur in my foot, can I also dodge a draft?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago*

    When Nazi Germany decided to declare war on the whole world, their leaders remarked that some of the fighters they were forced to use were "old meat" and "green vegetables". (So-called "casserole" units.)

    It's one thing to think you're invincible and quite another to commit acts of state-sponsored terrorism and war in the belief that you're untouchable, but if there's anyone in the world who seems willing to find the breaking point, it appears to be Donald.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    Remember that when a dictator runs out of qualified people, they'll draft anyone who has a pulse to keep things going.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Wishful thinking, in the Serbian- Croatian war they were drafting 60 year olds. Russia has dropped any medical exemptions.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Russia's strategy has been to throw meat at the front until Ukraine runs out of bullets resulting in over a MILLION killed or wounded. The US had around 60,000 total casualties across the entire GWOT, with the vast majority just being wounded.

    The point being I don't think the military will need a draft anytime in the future. That doesn't rule out the possibility trump does it for the hell of it, but at the same time I'm pretty sure the Republicans would impeach him themselves if he did that.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    NGL, I had to legitimately tell myself this the other day. I spent most of my formative years as a young adult worried that the neverending war in the middle east would escalate and I would be drafted. I was not alone in this fear either, most of my peers had plans to flee the country if Bush called for conscription.

    It never did end up happening, probably because the war was deeply unpopular after it was clear that the invasion was just a pretense for regime change and not at all related to 9/11 or WMDs.

    I think the mental trauma from that never healed, and now I'm pushing 40 and still thinking every new "war" we start will have the MPs knocking at my door to serve me my mustering papers.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Gun nut wannabe operators are like our primary domestic product. Decades of defense propaganda in TV, movies, and games has guaranteed no shortage of willing idiots with expendable bodies who have already foregone their humanity for the fantasy of headshotting the men and raping the women. America will rip apart at the seams before it ever sees another general draft.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    War is how the rich kill off the poor.

    General strike is the only solution.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Now I have to worry about my son being drafted.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You know what I'm thinking, I applaud that the Gen Z are into fitness and wellness. But they are influenced by the right through social media, and the right are probably conditioning kids so that they will be fit for a future war. It sounds conspiratorial, but the Heritage Foundation is already dictating social policies in America and beyond. Steve Bannon is their dark missionary by evangelising abroad and wanting the EU to fragment.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago*

    Still gets drafted...

    ...After the administration takes away healthcare for service people.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    The dr. Phil's are out in full force here 🤣

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Millennials spent our time terrified of a draft 10-20 years ago. Gen Z, welcome to the "anti war for my own self preservation" club, we [millennials] really did try to keep you out of it

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    "Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
    To join the army or what you'll do for their Navy
    You just a baby
    Gettin' recruited at eighteen
    You're on a plane now
    Eating their food and their baked beans
    I'm 28
    They gonna take you 'fore they take me"

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Still fit for duty, operation meat shield go!

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Americans are not unhealthy due to lack of affordable healthcare. They are unhealthy due to the availability of cheap, heavily processed, high calorie foods.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    It's multiple factors. There is the cheap, ultra processed foods, but also when a doctor tells you to lose weight, they're likely to tell you to go on a diet and exercise, but without giving advice on what types of diet and exercise are most helpful. Even if they do refer you to a nutritionist, insurance likely won't cover it. Add misinformation and a culture of blaming people for their bad health to that mix and you end up with a recipe for disaster.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Spoiler alert, any exercise is helpful.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    calories in minus calories out

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Its not that simple. Its a good starting point for weight loss, but there's many contributing factors that can affect how one's body retains calories. Some people are lucky and have all of those contributing factors even out to where all that's left is a simple calories in/calories out equation, some are even luckier and just burn excess calories with no effort and never meaningfully gain weight, but some will fight hard reducing calories and increasing activity while seeing minimal improvement and end up extremely frustrated and burnt out because it isn't that simple.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    You underestimate the amount of non-weight-related health problems there are.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, not really, in the grand scheme of things it's mainly being fat and unhealthy, as well as cancer. By a long shot. 

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    And both heart and cancer illnesses are exacerbated by being obese.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    All causes of death are exacerbated by obesity. Including flu and COVID.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm one of the only thin people I ever see in the doctor's office. That's not snark, that's my observation.

    The remaining thin people are elderly. I'll let everyone ponder that last for a few.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    What I'm getting from your comment is there are multiple thin people, including you who is not elderly, at the doctor's office. Thus proving my point...

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    How about this: Almost every human in the waiting room is fat excepting me and the truly elderly. There are rare exceptions, but fatties are the rule. Blunt enough?

    Wasn't trying to be too blunt, but this as well: I have rarely seen a fit adult in a foot cast. The only exception to fat people in casts are kids who are obviously athletes. Gravity is real.

    Old preacher man in South Chicago was bullshitting with me while I installed his satellite dish:

    "Shalafi, let me ask you somethin'. You know the saying, 'little old man' or 'little old lady'? Why you think that is? Put another way, you ever know a man or woman in their 80s that was exceptionally tall or fat? Why you think that is?"

    This wasn't a lead-up to "god made us this way" or some moralistic horseshit, but it was a great conversation and much food for thought. He made me coffee and served me cookies. Wish I could visit him again.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Could you at least replace my windows if you're going to hit that close to home?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    A lot of us elder millennials are scared for our kids. I’d rather go in his place . If it comes to that

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    But it's not coming to that. I'm so sorry.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you be sorry about it not coming to that?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Because I wouldn't want to send my kids to any war I could fight instead of them. But they are not gonna send a 40+ yo if they have 20 something year olds at their disposal. Also, if they need to, they will send the kids first and then the fathers, so it's not coming to that, hence I'm sorry.

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