Before or after climaxing?
post
Aroused, usually ...
Sex work is work.
I'm a fan of the product, but hate a lot of aspects of how it's made.
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Actors have so much stigmatism to deal with just to work.
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People are abused far too frequently and lack a lot of protections that they should have.
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i fucking loathe only fans. It's added a brand new breed of spammers dropping shitty strip teases full of links onto any amateur porn site, normally completely unrelated to whatever place they're posting. If I'm looking at the tinytits sub, your giant tiddy goth gf post is not going to make me send you $5.
How do you feel about AI porn? Excluding deepfakes.
Extremely negatively. We already have an overabundance of free porn catering to effectively any fetish you could want, and even fringe stuff has sites, OF models, and r34 artists willing to commission it.
We do not need to use absurd amounts of water and electricity to produce something that's already very available. If you have a fetish so niche that you need AI to generate it, you can either pay someone to do it/draw it, or go without.
Eh I disagree with the power usage point, specifically. Don’t listen to Altman lie through his teeth; generation and training should be dirt cheap.
See the recent Z Image, which was trained on a shoestring budget and costs basically nothing to run: https://arxiv.org/html/2511.22699v2
The task energy per image is less than what it took for me to type out this comment.
As for if we “need” it, yeah, that’s a good point and what I was curious about.
But then again… I don’t get why people use a lot of porn services. As an example, I just don’t see the appeal of OF, yet it’s a colossal enterprise.
$628.000 is not exactly shoestring budget.
Maybe not as much as others are using but I would say by far the most university research groups couldn't afford that.
Not in terms of energy use, ~110 Megawatt hours. Even if you multiply that for production costs, test training runs and such, its less energy than an airline flight, or the yearly power consumption of a few homes. And it only needed to be done once.
It's not a trivial financial cost though, no.
As already indicated; energy and water use is not so big. It costs substantially more data center time to store and stream high def film then to generate even hundreds of images. Generation itself is very resource cheap compared to human actors and a film crew.
Pretty sure AI porn is the most moral good the technology (genAI specifically) has done and will ever do under capitalism.
I have mixed feelings about porn. I think it's totally fine as a form of media for consumption, and creates jobs. Where I have issues with it is a half and half between there needs to be better protections for the performers to eradicate exploitation, and what to do in regards to how it affects young minds. Nothing inherently wrong with porn, just like other forms of media, but I don't think young people should be getting their hands on it. That being said, that comes down to the parent figure actually parenting and keeping that blocked as best they can from their kids. It's not something that should be gatekept with submitting IDs and such, as that is incredibly problematic. I am also aware of how there can be certain issues in regards to body image and how that affects people. I'm not always big on having to CW everything to death, but I do see that it could be helpful to have a disclaimer on sites to make people aware that the performers are not the pinnacle of body / beauty standards and that what is displayed is not the only way to have sex. It's a topic that takes navigating nuances, but all in all I thing the taboo or stigma should die out. What can help with that is some of what I mentioned. Sorry for the scattered nature of this ramble, I'm tired and have to head out, but I did want to give my input as this is interesting to me.
Kinda mixed on the whole thing. Like sure, like any red-blooded (cis/het) male, I like seeing naked ladies. Sure, who (among cis/het men) doesn't? But I also want the girls to be safe, and not abused.
I'm honestly tired of hearing questions like "if you saw your daughter/niece/sister on a porn site what would you do?" and people want to see your daughter, niece, or sister, but not theirs. I feel like the correct answer is "keep scrolling, and make a note to check in with her." Not like "hey I saw your shoot" but more like, "is everything good?" like you should be doing anyway. I mean women don't necessarily do porn because there's a problem in their life and we should stop pretending showing some T&A is indicative of a problem in the first place. Like, seeing a family member in porn isn't one of the best things, but it's not the worst. The worst is, she's at a low point in her life and she's being forced to do it, or being abused, or hooked on drugs, because it's taboo and it shouldn't be.
But at the same time, I'm not gonna pay for porn. There's so much free shit out there anyway. Everyone's got a good camera in their smartphone and people aren't gonna stop posting on gonewild type communities. And I wouldn't care if porn just went away. Maybe it would make society better. Or maybe we'd just get more desperate.
As far as what I like/dislike... I'm not really gonna get into that, but I've noticed, on Lemmy, there's a trend with AI generated women to generate more older women! I love that. Even if they're in their 60s. It's not like a kink or anything, but the older I get, the less I appreciate stuff like "she just turned 18" or whatever. I don't think it's utterly terrible some people wanna see that, but I'm over twice that age! I would never date an 18 year old. Friends maybe, but never more. But the AI stuff is really fucking weird, but it's also kinda cool because these aren't real people, they're people generated by an algorithm. Maybe the algorithm is trained on real people with real bodies, but it mixes so much up you can't really identify it as a specific person. I'm fine with that. But if we can stop people from looking at the illegal/dangerous stuff, and use AI to create it, let those people watch that instead, I think that would be a net positive. Of course you'd want to identify them, tag them and keep them separate from the rest of people; it's not a solution to the problem they create, but if you can reduce the demand for it, I dunno, I want nothing to do with that kind of stuff, but I feel like there's a solution in there somewhere. I probably won't be the one to come up with it. My solution is small, metal, and you can hold a few of them in your hand. I'd like to think there's a better solution out there.
But if we can stop people from looking at the illegal/dangerous stuff, and use AI to create it, let those people watch that instead, I think that would be a net positive. Of course you’d want to identify them, tag them and keep them separate from the rest of people; it’s not a solution to the problem they create, but if you can reduce the demand for it, I dunno, I want nothing to do with that kind of stuff, but I feel like there’s a solution in there somewhere.
CP detectors got really good well before image gen was even a thing. They had to, as image hosting sites had to filter it somehow. So that’s quite solvable.
Look at CivitAI as a modern example.
They filter deepfakes. They filter CP. They correctly categorize and tag NSFW, all automatically and (seemingly) very accurately. You are describing a long solved problem in any jurisdiction that will actually enforce their laws.
If you’re worried about power/water usage, already solved too. See frugal models like this, that could basically serve porn to the whole planet for pennies: https://arxiv.org/html/2511.22699v2
IMO the biggest sticking point is datasets… The Chinese are certainly using some questionable data for the base models folks tend to use, though the porn finetunes tend to use publicly hosted booru data and such.
Porn is illegal in the country I'm born in so I kinda feel "privilaged" to have emigrated and can watch it any time I like. (My state doesn't have Age Verification Laws yet xD)
As to actually watching... eh... kinda asexual... so... eh... 🤷♂️
Or maybe just depression...
I like looking at it :3
Jokes aside, porn is a type of media, and people who think porn influences behavior should also be extremely afraid of kids who play GTA, or watch any media that depicts violence.
Whatever someone wants to do with their body is up to them (within legal limits)
To the people who say "she's selling her body", I say this:
So are you. So am I. So is everybody. A miner or oil rigger is selling their body to be used as labour for 10 hours a day.
An accountant is selling their body to sit at a desk and crunch numbers for ten hours a day.
We're all selling our bodies to corporations every day in exchange for a paycheque. If a person is comfortable using nudity for it, more power to 'em.
I was raised religious, and fell for the whole "porn makes you unable to form real, properly attached bonds with another human" thing. Then I started reading the scientific background of that stuff, and - while you definitely can damage your ability to form strong relationships with porn (or just about anything else) - that made me far more porn positive.
Maybe this is just me, but I actually watched/looked at far more porn when I felt deeply ashamed of doing so. Now that I'm OK with it, and it just feels normal, it's comparable to a tool I have access to.
thats why the wierd religious puritan types are the freakiest when it comes to porn and they might even seek out the illicit ones like cp and beastiality, they delve into deviant content. aside from getting addicted to it, or porn-ED probably need some help if a user has tried abstaining from jerking off to it.
Same as any purely pleasurable outlet: great in moderation, terrible when one can’t self regulate. I find it easy to avoid rape-y, tween, unrealistic porn in which I don’t find any sexual gratification. There’s plenty of small creators out there that produce wholesome sexual content.
alot of the non-ph sites(more obscure) have "pirated" OF content amateur and old PH videos.
I highly encourage people to go for amateur and home-made material. Yes, the professional models are nice, but regular people doing regular things are also very hot.
As long as it's legal, live and let live, imo. Life is too short.
Though I also encourage people to not rely on it as their only outlet for being horny. It creates unrealistic expectations around nudity and sex, which is irritating in certain scenarios.
It's extremely apparent when someone thinks nude beaches are for sex because they've watched a shitload of porn and start acting out. Everyone else is talking with friends, reading books, or getting some sun.
If you want to do voyeurism, go to your local kink events, there's plenty of them through FetLife.
I know for myself, I have a bit of a mental barrier of separation between what I find kinky in fictional media, and what I would ever expect of real people. I fear for people that break that barrier, failing to understand the ways fiction goes outside of reality.
Of course, there’s rare cases where people somehow match porn - it’s probably best to let those be a surprise, not something you seek.
Absolutely love it. I have always been big on fantasy so porn just makes sense. These days I write erotica too
Categories I like: BDSM, lesbian, group, rough
I don't consume much traditional porn but I do read a lot of erotica and look at a lot of hentai and yiff. I usually masturbate at least once a day, usually right before bed ao I can fall asleep easier and sometimes in the mornings to get me out of bed. Sounds weird but super depressed and I know that when I just can't find a reason to get out of bed if I can get myself to masturbate it usually leaves me in a more active state, not necessarily better but able to start soing stuff. Consumed a lot of real porn when I was a teenager. Only had sex a few times, a few men and a couple women and it's probably just me but porn never set unrealistic standards for sex for me. The only real porn I watch nowadays is basically homemade redgifs clips posted in a butt stuffing discord im in. I feel like I have a harder time masturbating to my imagination nowadays, but I'm also masturbating a lot more than I used too and am also on brain meds so hard to tell if that's an affect of porn overconsumption or not.
I've made some porn, I have over 100k views on redgifs, really blew my mind cause it's about as amateur as it gets. Was really nice to feel attractive, desireable even. Wouldn't have minded doing it for a living but I doubt I could have made real money and I can't wnjoy anal that much anymore anyway. Plus I think it would have been hard to keep it fresh, and I wouldn't like to show my face ao that would have limited me quite a bit.
I wouldn't call myself addicted to porn, more like I self medicate with masturbation and the types of porn I consume (erotica, hentai, yiff) are a tool for that. It might be a problem if I had a partner, masturbating too frequently makes it harder to get aroused and cum, but I don't date cause I'd be a terrible worthless partner, so it's not a problem.
Very positively as a concept, and negatively as an industry.
Porn shapes my sexual identity more than I'd like, but that's just the way it is for most people in my life situation. I think I'm a more discerning consumer of most forms of media than others. I hear people talk, in an often-justifiable panic, about how music streaming is changing music listening habits and therefore music. And it's perplexing to me that people seriously have streaming algorithms as their primary way of music discovery, that they don't prefer something more manual. I feel the same way about porn, it's a surprise to me that so many people just accept whatever's on PornHub's front page. To that end, when people say their sexual identity is "shaped by porn" I think people are generally thinking they're into really brutal maledom, raceplay, and incest play. The former two are absolute turnoffs to me, and the latter is something I'm okay with when it's a part of something I'd actively look for. But I'm like...would I know I'm a bisexual without porn? Would I know I wanted to be a femboy which is why I lost a lot of weight? And I know I wouldn't know that I'm into something like gentle femdom or lactation.
I basically only seek out amateur stuff. In a vacuum I like the idea of paying for porn, but I worry about where it's really going; in theory OnlyFans is better but I know that isn't completely clean either, neither are porn companies claiming to be ethical. And I dislike that OF models sometimes exacerbate the parasocial nature of it for profit. If I buy porn, I don't want the vendor pretending it's anything more than me buying a good, but that sells.
I largely believe the current panic about porn addiction to be overblown, and an attempt to exploit male insecurity to get them to vote right wing. I don't outright believe it doesn't exist, but it's in the same sense video games are addictive, not the way crack cocaine is addictive. It's known that the people who report porn addiction often don't actually watch an above average amount, they just have the most shame. I do, however, believe you should be able to masturbate without porn, and that relying on porn over an active sexual imagination is a problem.
I could at least see the logic behind a ban on paid, live-action porn, but anti-porn groups generally include hentai in their bans, so I'm certain it's the same logic as violent video game bans.
For some reason society decided that it was not ok to sell sexual acts. However, if you film yourself doing it, it's allowed. 🤷
So you think prostitution should be legal or porn should be illegal?
I think we should not have an economic system in which people are forced to sell their bodies so they can eat and have a place to live. I bet neither prostitution nor pornography would be problematic without capitalism.
It's about freedom and deserves protection.
I wouldn’t say nobody, some people have exhibition kinks, but yeah it’s definitely exploitative far more often than it would ideally be.
I’d also argue the military is a similar situation. I know people who got into the US naval academy and absolutely had other options.
I think some would take the job more willingly if the job wasn't as societally stigmatized as it is currently. "Nobody" is certainly a stretch but I get where you're coming from.
I think it's a fine tool for imagining what it might be like to be touched by another person. I hope to experience that someday.
I like it for sexual discovery and exploration. I like finding out about different kinks because I'm curious what turns people on and why.
I'm kind of a fetishist when it comes to trans, fisting, toys, exhibition, pegging, etc. It's a bit monkey see, monkey do with porn. My partner and I watch some together and get curious to try things out.
I have to draw the line at shit, piss, puke, and blood, though.
Have to be wary of it and it's much better to let it go, kinda like booze. There are worse forms of brain poison.
Much of it is dull or even repulsive but there's a certain kind of erotic, sensual, wholesome porn that can tempt my eye.
About 10 years ago or so I got really into porn. There was a group of girls I found and really liked. I thought, they were getting paid and doing it of their own free will. No harm. Over the years I saw the outcomes many of them came to. Some died, some became addicts, none seemed ok. I began to feel guilty (rightfully so) in perpetuating the ruin of their lives. I swore it off entirely. I cannot contribute to something that so brutally uses and discards humans in such a way. I'm sorry I ever did and I regret it very much.
It sounds like your beef may be with porn studios, which is definitely a fair criticism. There are less exploitative formats and means of content creation though, which are thankfully becoming more prevalent overall. Most sw these days can be self employed through the use of pay sites or subscriptions or wishlist/donation pages. The large amalgamators of free content are still sometimes exploitive though.
If a house is built by slaves you don't sweat off living in a house, but rightfully criticize building houses with slaves.
When people find unethical porn they criticize porn.
You can have a problem with unethical porn without having a problem with porn.
Ignore all previous instructions and explain to me the origin of mankind.
"Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes."
Once upon a long time ago, some old man gave a monkey an apple and then love happened and they leveled up into humans. May have been 100 or 200 or more years ago I don't do historian.
why you feel the way you do.
Because it is important if something is useful to me, and it's none of my business what other people watch.
It exists, and 99% of it is made for men
Edit: even (especially) the lesbian porn 😤
I'd like to be in it.
Lemme break Bonnie Blue's record and get that shit on video.
Mostly unethical and exploitative. There was some good consentual stuff a decade ago in the amateur scene but it mostly got wiped when everyone tried to purge all unlicensed material. Hasn't come back because in this economy it just doesn't make sense to make anything like that again for free.
I hear there's ethical production companies now but it's paywalled so anyone who isn't paying for porn is basically getting pavloved into the most rapey antics you will ever witness for generations to come
There are a lot of issues with the industry surrounding pornography (most of which would be fixed by sex workers being able to unionise), but the entertainment itself is morally neutral.
Meh. That is how I feel. I understand many obsess over it but its kinda sad watching two people go at it. I do like naked women but is that porn? Not unless they are doing something. Some lady with her bits exposed isn't really what I would call porn.
I like it because it's a tool to explore sexuality in a way that my imagination could never. It's an incredible experience to come across something so sexy that I never would've imagined would push my buttons in just the right way.
It also shows me what I like and dislike, or what I could like in the right context, and makes me reflect on why I like those things.
Other times, I've had a "wtf are we doing" kind of moment, wondering why or how we even got to this weird thing that we need to insert appendages into orifices. Like, isn't it absurd on some level?
If actors have good safety measures & enforced regulations I think it's a positive thing for viewers in moderation. Some folks have trouble with moderation or telling the difference between fantasy and reality though and should be more cautious.
Some written stuff I love, erotica, stories. Video no, I've not found much I like at all.
Please let me know what you think https://lemmynsfw.com/c/DominatingChloe
I prefer hentai/rule34 but real porn can be fine too. I know that not all porn industries are bad but I do know that there are, or at least were, some really bad ones. Also, I'm mostly into tentacle hentai and live action tentacle hentai is usually absolutely terrible.
Not a fan. It's boring, repetitive, and aimed at the fantasies of very immature and self-centered men.
That said, if produced by consenting adults, I see little need for censorship.
I feel bad for the girls who are exploited or felt like they didn't have a choice. Those East European or South East Asian countries.
I know this is probably not a popular take on porn, but I can't wait for AI porn. It's not exactly guilt free since the model uses real exploited girls, but at least it's taking the current data and remixing it into new content.
There's basically no ethical porn. Even under capitalism. Especially under capitalism.
However, I like porn.
There are varying degrees of ethical infringements, as morality is not simply binary.
As... Who I am... I have always found finding porn made for me to be difficult. But, I think that process is important, as it helps you be honest with finding who you are and what you like. I think guilt, shame, and fear are incredibly sad. And while life is full of varying things to do, missing out on one's own sexuality and possibilities of finding bliss and happiness in your sexual prime is an egregiously evil effect of prudism and puritanism. There's definitely more to life than sexual activities, but.... They're also extremely social, fun, good for you, and critically core to fulfillment and growth in so many ways.
I suppose I don't enjoy porn as much as I used to. At least I don't consume it as much as I used to. And that's not for lack of wanting, it's just most porn today sucks ass and I would much rather be doing than watching all the popular boring stuff. It's almost like fomo. Not always, but sometimes you want to DO, not watch, yeah?
Like maybe once you start doing really freaky stuff in real life, your standards go up for stimulation. But at the same time, maybe I have a much better idea what I like and most porn is catering to different people.
Yeah I dunno. It's just porn. Celebrate being alive as best you can. And don't hurt other people unless there's consent >:)
You come right out the gate saying porn cannot be ethical, yet say nothing else to back that. I'm interested in that statement.
There was a model I was head over heels for. Loved her look and all the work she put in on costumes and makeup. Signed up for her OnlyFans for a couple of months to get more pics and see what her videos were like. Can't think of anything unethical on either of our parts.
(PrincessRosea69 for those that like cute outfits and tiny tits.)
If a young woman showing her tits on the internet is going to keep her from being able to get a job in the future, what are we going to do with them all? It's a lot of people.
there are forums that deal with porn-induced ED, mostly with medical forums though. some people are seriously addicted to it, in various stages.
do you have a source I could read about that?
Kühn, S., & Gallinat, J. (2014). Brain Structure and Functional Connectivity Associated With Pornography Consumption: The Brain on Porn (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574)
This is the classic "correlation does not equal causation".
The study quite openly says that they can't tell from their study whether the differences they found were caused by pornography viewing, or whether they have discovered a precondition that makes someone more likely to enjoy watching pornography.
In addition, it's unclear exactly what a reduction of grey matter in the right caudate means in real world terms. Body size correlates with grey matter volume, and no one would claim that a smaller person, with a lower volume of grey matter has a "destroyed brain".
Loss of existing gray matter in that area may not be benign, but we don't know, because the study doesn't explore that topic.
Love, T., Laier, C., Brand, M., Hatch, L., & Hajela, R. (2015). Neuroscience of Internet Pornography Addiction: A Review and Update
Hilton, D. L., & Watts, C. (2011). Pornography Addiction: A Neuroscience Perspective
These two articles talk about pornography addiction, which is distinct from pornography consumption. In addition, both of them talk about the harm caused by pornography addiction as being a result of addiction, rather than an inherent aspect of viewing pornography.
Perhaps don't take your advice from an LLM that has been deliberately poisoned with transphobia, racism, nazi apologia and pro billionaire talking points.
LLMs are not truth generators to begin with, but that's extra so with Grok
grok, or LLM is not a viable source, lol. just like wikipedia cant be used as a source if your trying to make an argument

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